Indian Mythology a myth or a Science

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Before I start this analysis let me make one thing clear. This is just my POV. Being a avid lover of mythology from childhood and a science student and a professional working in IT field I had deep interest in connecting both. So this post will have whatever I observed in that journey.
Indian mythology as it is called which includes Epics Ramayan and Mahabharath many people have tried to find the historic relevance of it. Ashwin Sanghi's book " The Krishna Key" deals MB as a historic event itself. But I am not going to put it is a historic event. But rather I would put it as an extraordinary literary works that happened in ancient civilization of India across certain events that happened. Why I am telling this is that because if you see the fiction of accomplished Western writers like Jeffrey Archer, Ken Follett etc they have weaved multi dimensional stories around known historical events. So Ramayana and MB can also be that which represented the culture of those times, but the learnings can be made according to the present yuga.
Now why it is called myths. Reason is in ancient India the tradition was of oral telling of stories. So when it passed down from generation to generation many adaptations happened, many incidents added, some deleted. So even the most accurate literary work termed as Valmiki Ramayan or Vyasa MB may not be really so ( Purists may disagree but this is my view). That's why to get a real check or real learning of these epics it is better to read multiple versions, adaptations so that the core message will be easy to learn. As the perspective of author's vary and each perspective can bring a new learning.
For e.g Debasis Chatterjee IIMK Director's Wednesday column in Mathrubhoomi Paper based on Management lessons from BG was a beauty to read and I never used to miss one column of it. I guess it appeared three years back where he had compared Kurushetra battlefield as our mind in confusions and Krishna our inner voice
Now coming to the science of Indian mythology. First we need to acknowledge that the physical realm expansion of Information technology a great deal is contributed by Western science only. So what have we contributed. We have contributed to the world the balance of inner and outer world, while Western Science is mostly about outer world. In mythology the dharma or knowledge is about aligning your actions with respect to the laws of nature. Now what is laws of nature. To understand it you have to know the western science a bit in present times. But the rishis who wrote the epics had a good knowledge of these nature's law. They also knew how man will twist the laws of nature to suit his purpose. And how this twisting of law brings devastation. Our myths mostly used symbols as in those days just like we shout at each other, symbols were used to convey the message without uttering a single word. Problem is that we take symbols for what they are instead of understanding the symbolic meaning in them.
They dealt with applying laws of physical world to your mental world also. Because even your thought is an action and the world moves as per the action. This is the fundamental law of Indian mythology. Result is based on your actions and actions alone. if it is inline with Prakriti's law you will be rewarded, if it is opposite you will be punished. Even if you do good actions unless the punishment of old action is complete,you will not get benefit of your new action. Acting according to the law of nature will benefit you in the long run as it is constant. Maya is the laws of tradition that binds you. If you act with respect to Maya or traditional rules overriding nature's law you might get immediate victory, but you will lose in the end.
Or rather if you take both epics Ramayana and MB the script flows perfectly in line with Newton's law of motion.
So whenever we are discussing science in mythology we have to discuss the inner science not that whether we had pushpak viman or we did IVF or such things earlier. That's an extreme view though such things including cloning has been implied in MB symbolically. We need to understand they are metaphors or what advances in physical science can bring in. And if we do things with scant care to nature devastation it can bring.
In a nutshell it should be the amalgam of mythology and western science that should show the way forward as we need both dharma the real knowledge and purusharth dharma with respect to our yuga to acquire wealth and power.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Thanks shruthi Di for making this post.
Why mythology? I have got a clarity on that subject now. U explained ur view on karma too. I loved ur take on that.
What is Purusharth dharma?
Because even ur thought is an action and the world moves as per the action. Do u mean to say thoughts result in action. If our thoughts are dirty we need to cleanse it the next moment or it will result in action. Is that what u meant?
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Shruthi Di expercts from an interview by devdutt on why mythology?
subjective truth: your truth and my truth, not the truth. We communicate our truth through stories, symbols and rituals. We inherit them from our ancestors and pass them on to our children.
Mythology is the study of these stories, symbols and rituals and the subjective truth they reveal.
Subjectivity is problematic in a world that values objectivity. We are told the truth is greater than my truth. But who knows the truth? The priest? The scientist? The academician? The journalist? The activist? The writer? Not you or me, but someone else!
We live in a world that has room only for one truth, the truth. Hence we doubt everything we hear and are always arguing. We think argument is good because it leads us to truth. We don't listen to other people's truth because we are convinced they are falsehood.
Religious people say the truth comes from the book. Scientist says the truth comes from measurement. Mythology says your truth comes from your own stories. You are Brahma and your stories create your world - your egg, your Brahmanda.
In argument, you try to conquer other Brahmas with your truth. But there is an alternative to vi-vaad. It is sam-vaad, where we listen to your truth and make room for it in our truth. Thus, our truth expands and we know more than we did before a talk. Mythology is about sam-vaad. Science and religion is about vi-vaad. Our world today is plagued by vi-vaad, mental violence through argument and physical violence through warfare.
The power of myth is that it is a game changer. It allows you to enjoy your truth and other people's truth and move towards greater truth. A world of plural truths which are constantly shifting and expanding. A world where we are sensitive and caring.
In science, only that which can be measured is truth. Matter can be measured not the mind. So physics, chemistry and biology is pure science, while psychology is pseudo-science. Politics and economics may follow scientific principles but most conclusions cannot be measured; they are assumptions based on the subjectivity of the scholar. He projects his myth into his writings. Few people notice that modern society rooted in Western thought is rooted in Western myth.
Science says this is the only life because it cannot measure anything else. Western myth also believes this is the only one life. Thus Western myth is very closely aligned to science. However, science does not bother with truth; it focuses on logic and mathematics and facts, or data. Truth is a religious word; not a scientific one. It comes from Abrahamic myth which speaks of one true God and rejects false gods.
How does one live this one and only life? Science gives no answer. Greek myth says we have to live this life our way. Abrahamic myth disagrees; it says we have to live our life the right way. And what is the right way?
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Mythology in the 19th-century was used for all non-Christian faiths. Judaic and Islamic ideas and tales regarding the Messiah were not quite given the same status as Christianity despite having the same God and many common prophets and laws. Later, when the definition of religion expanded to include all Abrahamic faiths, mythology was used to include non-monotheistic faiths. In fact, many scholars tried to equate non-Abrahamic faiths with pre-Abrahamic faiths such as those of the Greeks and the Vikings.
The assumption for the Christians was that God is truth. Early scientists were all Christians, and they found it difficult to explain God scientifically. For science demands measurement and verifiability. Also, Biblical claims were proving to be all false. So what was Christianity'? It could not be scientific truth. Science concluded that, until further evidence, heaven, hell, prophet and salvation are all assumptions, imaginations, at best, a hypothesis. Concepts such as sacredness and holiness cannot be measured' and so exist outside the realm of science. From a scientific lens, all religions are based on myths, which is Greek for stories'. God, heaven, hell, rebirth and soul are mythic ideas.
But that which is not scientific is not necessarily irrational. And something that is irrational is also real. Mythology is indifferent to rationality but is real to the believer.
The idea that there can only be one truth' has less to do with science and more to do with religious intolerance. Scientific truth is based on facts, and expands with time; it is not static. Religious truth is based on faith and is stagnant. In a diverse world, there are multiple truths. Your truth is valid for you. My truth is valid for me. Respect for each other's truths creates a plural society. This is what India is and aspires to be. It is the essence of Hinduism, despite all challenges.
The colonial definition of mythology is falsehood'. Those who cling to it also equate religion with intolerance and get easily outraged. They are typically obsessed with purity and fear pollution. They believe that their truth is the truth'. They don't value your truth, his truth, her truth or my truth. They see truth as outside themselves and cannot take responsibility for their beliefs so they locate it outside, in a holy book or a guru, or a God.
A more contemporary definition of mythology is subjective truth communicated through stories, symbols and rituals'. Thus, in Wikipedia and Google today, you can search for Islamic mythology and Christian mythology and Jewish mythology, something that would have been impossible in colonial times. All mythologies present a worldview. The Greek mythology is about establishing order in chaos. Abrahamic mythology is all about obeying the will of one all-powerful God through the holy word revealed through prophets. Chinese mythologies seek harmony with nature and alignment with culture; they value authority, the Mandate of Heaven', and value king more than God. Indic mythologies "Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism "believe in rebirth. Buddhism does not value soul or God, Jainism values soul but not God. Hinduism values soul and God, but this God, unlike the Abrahamic God, is within us, and around us. Jiva-atma is present in all organisms, and all organisms are present in Param-atma.
Please note: nationalism is also a subjective truth based on stories, symbols and rituals. It is, therefore, a mythological idea. It can be based on rigid rules and demand compliance, and be intolerant. This transforms it into a religious perception.
Spirituality is an individual's personal journey to find meaning in their life. It is invariably based on a mythology: a subjective worldview and architecture that is communicated through stories, symbols and rituals. When it gives rise to rules that stop you from thinking, we enter the space known as religion'. Mythology tends towards fluidity; religion tends towards rigidity.
How you want to see Hinduism ultimately depends on what comforts you: fluidity, or rigidity; worldview, or rules; tolerance, or intolerance; diversity, or singularity; subjectivity, or objectivity; my truth and your truth, or the truth; mythology, or religion, or a way of life, or something else.
Within a hundred myths lies the eternal
Varuna has a thousand eyes
Indra hundred
U and I only two


I found ur post more relatable. Both the posts in essence conveys the same. Do share ur views Di 😃
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@Sanju yes our thoughts results in action. Imagine yourself angry and someone asks you some question. You might end up shouting at that person for no reason. But action has happened. So your feelings, thoughts results in various actions. So know your thoughts.
Purusharth Dharma is the knowledge of the material world as per the times. For e.g if 25 years back if you can read and write you will survive in this world. But today basic knowledge of computer is needed to live in this world. Like that. As time goes the purusharth knowledge changes and we have to be updated. The real knowledge law of nature is constant.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@Sanju the difference of Devduttji's and my post is that he talks about how others see the world of myths, but what I wrote is what I feel. It is my truth, need not be anyone else's truth. And I am willing to listen to alternative theories.
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@Sanju the difference of Devduttji's and my post is that he talks about how others see the world of myths, but what I wrote is what I feel. It is my truth, need not be anyone else's truth. And I am willing to listen to alternative theories.



Truly speaking I am able to connect with ur post. It is ur truth which truly I am able to relate and for me that is the truth.

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