Using adharm to win adharm

We know how Lord Krishna cleverly used the adharm in the context of removing adharm. But Lord Ram followed dharm to such an extent that he sacrificed his own wife for Rajdharm. Here is the beauty where Ram, the dharm saviour also performed adharm on a wider perspective. Was it really adharm of killing Vali? Did really Ram aimed the arrow at Vali hiding himself? Did Ram unacceptably involved in the fight between two brothers? There lies the beauty of dharm.

Coming to SKR episode, I wanted to highlight few of the incomplete beautiful depiction.

1. Ram didn't shoot his arrow towards Vali as soon as he saw him. He waited for Vali to first initiate the adharm in yudh. Already Vali has done sin by snatching Sugreev's wife which was more than enough to kill him but why Ram waited if he wanted to kill Vali just for Sugreev? Here it was nicely shown that Ram, at no point wanted to break the yudh dharm.

2. Before Vali sucks the half power from Sugreev, Ram didn't even took his arrow, why? Before that moment, Vali was lying on the ground and the warrior on the ground w/o weapon should not be attacked. How nice it was!!!

3. Though it was shown Ram and Laxman standing near the tree, actually their were not hiding behind the tree. But after attacking Vali, it was shown that Ram and Laxman came from a hidden area. Is that so? No. (Its completely my POV). Ram was very much in the vicinity of Vali. But Vali failed to notice the truth, dharm standing in his own visible sector.

4. Vali asked some valid questions to Ram which was very well answered. Ram didn't called Vali for a fight, because he fought for dharm on the side of Sugreev not to show off his talent. So he proved that he behaved like a sanyasi even in fight.

5. Vali asked why he shoot him by hiding?Did Ram was really hiding or its the maya of Vali's ego which prohibited Vali to notice Ram?

6. Vali again raised logical questions that his kingdom rules were different from Ayodhya, then why Ram shoot him? Ram's answers were agreeable till the moment but is that holds fine when Sita was send for second exile? There lies some hidden facts. Again I strongly feel its the decision of Sita rather than Ram imposing it. Lets wait to know how SKR projects it.

7. The final question for the day by Vali, wow. Quite interesting. Vali accepted that he did crime in his Rajya and asked Ram with no enmity why he shoot him? There lies the answer in his query. He did crime, does it require only the person in that kingdom to fight against? Is that not a social issue? I am eager to know Ram's reply.

During my school times, I had Valivadh padalam (Kambar Ramayan) as a chapter in Tamil syllabus. Instead of many slokas being included in the syllabus only the sloka where Vali blames Ram was kept as the memory poem (manpada seiyul). I agree it was so rhythmic and with nice grammar but is it not the entire Kambar Ramayan was a beauty? Not only my christian friends even the hindu friends told me that even Ram practiced adharm and blasted by Vali. During those 8^th/9th standard, I didn't have the proper reply from my side. But why the following slokas (answered by Ram) was not asked to be memory poem in syllabus? Why is it, we want to highlight only the negativity? Is it wrong with Vali, Ram or Kambar? Isn't our narrow mind to pinpoint or to grasp only the wrongs deeds to show off as an example happened in epic itself. There is plenty of good things around, why can't those be spread rather than the situationally committed adharm for holy cause?

Note 1: This post is merely based on SKR and no comparison with other versions of Ramayan.

Note 2: I really wanted to see Ram not hiding while killing Vali. As per yudh dharm, the third person shouldn't enter the fight. I know this version of SKR is not a distortion and I even know that I am not the producer to have my view on the screen.😉

Sorry for the lengthy post, so I stop it here w/o bringing the wonderful dialogues of Sita. Truly a good episode which made me feel sorry to know that the clock stuck 8.30 PM IST soon.

Originally posted by: -Mano-

Ramya, I was expecting a post from you and was waiting for it😉

I know you waited long to see SKR version of Vali Vadh

The team hasn't failed you😃

Yes, I was waiting for this scene from the start itself😆. You read my pulse well😉

I myself was very much waiting for it

My Mom was a Tamil Teacher and

was famous for Tamil Debates(patimandram ) in our region

I have had the opportunity of listening to many of them held in Temples

during important occasions

(those days it was not funny like the one we see in TV now)

She used to take me and bro along to most of it as Dad was working out of town

Of all the debates that I have listened the one that is still green is about Vali Vadh

One side was defending Ram's action, while one was against it

Though I don't remember everything that was spoken but

the side argued against Ram was stronger than the one defending his action

I always wanted to know the proper interpretation for Ram's action since then

Few weeks through SKR I know I will get it here and I was not wrong

True yaar. You had a good opportunity to hear the healthy cum fruitful debates. Yes, I too agree that the manner in which Vali killed is adharm for those who view it from his side but on a general note, I still feel we have an upper hand. My strong opinion may be slightly shaken after hearing what you heard 😉but still it won't be completely changed😆

Yesterday ep was a beauty baring Lanka😡(KKesi and Ravan)

I just want the whole Vali Vadhu uninterrupted

Same here but I left it, as it was not as worth as Ram-Vali scene😃

Nevertheless it was a bang on depiction

You have explained all of it very well

So I am not going to repeat it

When Vali was shooting questions at the end

I realized that we won't be getting Ram's answers today

Oh! no,I wanted to see it then itself😡

But such an ep is worth a wait😉

Haha, completely agreed. When they showed precap, I was like😕. Its was like time up moment in exam hall😆

When Ram asked where ur dharm sleeping when u were doing all these sins

but now u are questing about dharm

I felt like whistling,but poor me I can't😭

Just to justify himself Vali brings in the

difference in rules and culture of wanar kingdom, again Ram answered him rightly

The moment Ram came near to see a fallen Vali

I felt pity in Ram's eyes, he was a bit teary eyed too

It said that if only you haven't committed this sin,

I wouldn't need to kill such a great warrior

But then it was just for few secs, as he got back to his usual calm and composed self

Waiting impatiently for today's ep😃

Oops, I forgot it. Ram had teary eyes while nearing Vali. Nice observation and the interpretation.

My replies in black. Thank you.😊

@Mano: Beautiful. Nicely captured the moment. I thought for a minute that was his reaction to Vali's last question. But I liked your interpretation for the same.

beautiful post Ramya
good points .

I too interested to see the conversation btn ram n vaali . many times hearing the debate like ramji also done adharm to kill the adharmi (vaali ) .wanted to see this sequence elabaratedly in show .n it may clear misconceptions ..

thanks for making this worthy posts with worthy points ..

Originally posted by: vinnas

beautiful post Ramya
good points .

I too interested to see the conversation btn ram n vaali . many times hearing the debate like ramji also done adharm to kill the adharmi (vaali ) .wanted to see this sequence elabaratedly in show .n it may clear misconceptions ..

thanks for making this worthy posts with worthy points ..

Thank you Chandu.
This incident is always debatable. Liked this way of CV's projecting it.

@Ramya beautiful post. The detailed analysis of yesterday epi I had put in the loops and symbolism post but would like to put few points here.

Beautiful post Ramya. This topic have always been debatable. I liked the way it was shown in SKR. Loved the stance of Ram. His body language clearly showing his belief in his action that what he did was acc to dharm.

@Shruthi: Thank you. Your words are also perfect.
I was also keen on observing Ram's action of taking the arrow and aiming time. It was actually very well directed and acted.
Its true yaar, adharm was used to destroy adharm. Krishna remains the classic example of all time.
One thing I am still not sure of, is our freedom. We didn't get our freedom by practising violence but only by non-violence and non-cooperation. Here its slightly tricky, why we were not able to defend ourself from British by their way?

P.s: So nowadays you are not making separate thread? I thought you stopped analysing.