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shruthiravi

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Posted: 9 years ago

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Exactly Jayashree. That is why Kaikeyi unlike Shakuni in MB is not a negative character. She was Lord's medium.

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naq5

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Posted: 9 years ago

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Originally posted by: shruthiravi
@jayashree this part I had heard it in 2 different ways though you have put it quite nicely.

1) When Dasrath got the curse from Sharavan Kumar's father he didn't had sons, so he knew that he will have sons so that the curse be materialized. And if Kaikeyi didn't ask for the boons then there could have been death for his sons, as the curse of putra viyog has to be materialized

2) Second Niyati was protecting Dasrath from the curse by not giving him sons. So that he doesn't have to suffer pain. If he doesn't have sons, then no putra viyog right. But he does putrakamesthi to get sons. Hence the boons had to be asked for the overall welfare of family as well as society.

1st point is good. yes if dashrath had to die through putra viyog then it had to be ram. And if not sent on exile it could have been death.

but the qn is did kaileyi know of the curse. i dont think she would have been so repentant had she done all this to save ram. she obviously blinded by moh of the throne at that time.

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naq5

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Posted: 9 years ago

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Originally posted by: shruthiravi
Exactly Jayashree. That is why Kaikeyi unlike Shakuni in MB is not a negative character. She was Lord's medium.

well i think everyone in mb were also gods medium. but yes kaikeyi is not -ve like shakuni coz she realised her mistake and repented.

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pasumarthisa

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Posted: 9 years ago

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Can you post the credits in detail(not just mention Google!!) Interested to know more about them myself.

If Kaikeyi knew all this and did it willingly, then she would not talk about taking the boons back(in Valmiki Ramayan since we are talking about that) during Bharat-milap. And she would not repent that much.

Dasharatha's curse had to materialize and Ravana had to be killed etc etc. For these to happen, destiny took its course. People don't need to have the knowledge of destiny. It just makes them act accordingly in different ways(through their karmas, current situation etc).

What kaikeyi didhappened to be for greater good. But she did it knowingly?? Valmiki Ramayana's earliest recension doesnt say that(to my knowledge)

If so, Ravana abducting Sita was also for greater good of the world. Since it resulted in his downfall and hence saved the world from his tyranny.

Everything in the world fits into place like pieces of a puzzle through destiny. That doesn't mean the intentions justify the ends!!

Scriptures teach us that what is happening is perfectly ok in terms of universal balance. Everything that is happening is the way it is supposed to be. People are just medium. That doesn't mean free will is not there.

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JAYASHREE

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Posted: 9 years ago

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At least I mentioned Google.

Here is the link

http://www.hindujagruti.org/hinduism/implied-meaning-of-some-incidents-from-the-ramayan

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pasumarthisa

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Posted: 9 years ago

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Originally posted by: jayvenk
At least I mentioned Google.
Here is the link

http://www.hindujagruti.org/hinduism/implied-meaning-of-some-incidents-from-the-ramayan

thank you. I was really looking for the link. Thought if they have enough information to extract that meaning from those 3 shlokas, then shlokas too should have been known.

Kaikeyi's repentance suugests something very different.

There is no one cause. Many causes. Since it was bound to happen, everything will contribute to it is my opinion.

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 9 years ago

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Unlike Ramayan where we get the medium aspect clearly, MB is more about actions and reactions. Till the knowledge of BG is given to Arjuna on the war front, everyone thinks they are right. No one knows the real knowledge.

But in Tetra yuga people had knowledge that is why Kaikeyi repents and asks why she has become the medium for so many inauspicious things. There is a realization that what ever happened has happened for a reason. But Kaikeyi penance wont be complete till she gets the reason. In MB no one realizes it at all.

Even in Kaliyug how many can understand the patterns in life. How many can understand everything happens for a reason.

Ego rules. We are all mostly doing reactions than action. Irrespective of Lord himself giving the gyaan concentrate on action not on result in dwapara yuga itself.

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Ramyalaxmi

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Posted: 9 years ago

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@Jai: Thanks for sharing. Quite interesting.
Reason for Kaikeyi asking boon is new for me. Still, why its called that the Raghu dynasty be destroyed in 14yrs? What is the significance of those 14yrs time period?
From your ref link: poor Laxman didn't eat for 14yrs.

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deejagi

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Posted: 9 years ago

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Originally posted by: jayvenk

Kaikeyi asking for a boon Incident

With one boon Kaikeyi got Ram banished to the forest for 14 years and with the other, she asked that Bharat be made king.

Implied meaning : Shravankumar's grandfather was Sage Dhoumya and his parents were Ratnavali and Sage Ratna. Sage Ratna was the royal priest of the kingdom of Nandigram ruled by King Ashvapati. Kaikeyi was the daughter of King Ashvapati. Sage Ratna had taught Kaikeyi all the scriptures and had also warned her that if Dasharatha had sons, they would either not be able to ascend the throne or if they did (ascend it) after Dasharatha, then within 14 years the Raghu dynasty would be destroyed. To prevent this catastrophe, Sage Vasishha advised Kaikeyi to ask Dasharatha for two boons; through one she would send Ram into exile for 14 years and through the other, ask for Bharat to be made king, because she knew that as long as Ram was alive, Bharat would never ascend the throne. It is on the advice of Sage Vasishha that Bharat installed Ram's paduka (Wooden footwear) instead of His Idol on the throne. If instead of the paduka an Idol had been installed, then with the principle that sound, touch, form, taste and fragrance coexist, the effect would have been as if Ram had Himself ascended the throne. The original ValmikiRamayan contains 3 shlokas with this meaning. However, some researchers feel that those who re-wrote the Ramayan after 1228 A.D. omitted these'.

Thanks fro sharing this. I knew about vashist advising or convincing kaikeyi to materialize her boons, so that Dasharath dies by fulfilling his karma. When Vashisht realized Dasharath's death is approaching he had no other way than to approach the brave queen who loved her husband so much that she will be ready to push him to death to save him from landing in hell.

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deejagi

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Posted: 9 years ago

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Originally posted by: Ramyalaxmi
@Jai: Thanks for sharing. Quite interesting.
Reason for Kaikeyi asking boon is new for me. Still, why its called that the Raghu dynasty be destroyed in 14yrs? What is the significance of those 14yrs time period?
From your ref link: poor Laxman didn't eat for 14yrs.

Yes Ramya, I have heard this story narration from Grand father. Lakshman had neither ate nor slept in those 14 years. Even Ram was not aware that his brother had not ate in that time. So after ram's coronation, Lakshman yawns and blinks after closing his eyes and immediately laughs. That's when everyone questions him for the reason and he reveals the truth. Ram doesn't believe him as he himself had given him a fruit (banana) when Shabari had given the fruits, so he claims Lakshman is lying. That's when Lakshman, slits his thigh and take out that fruit and eat it there (in the raj sabha) and breaks his fast.

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