Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva are not different

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Beautiful line from Shiva. Ma Ganga came from brahmadev via Vishnu feet to Shiva. Ganga travelled the path from brahma lok, vaikundam and reached kailash before coming to earth. Is there any doubt that we attain mukthi from sin when we dip in ganga? Is it not our duty to keep our mother from all dust and wastes?😉 She is for us shouldn't we be for her? Think (including me😊)

Coming to the topic, I often wonder how beautiful our vedas. I already mentioned about the three main branches infact the pillars of hinduism. Let me emphasize it again from the current context.

Dvaitham: Considering us (humans) different from paramathma and we can't be part of paramathma which is the supreme.

Advaitham: Our soul is paramathma. There is no difference between the two.

Vishishta Advaitham: Anything and everything including our soul is a part of brahman but its not brahman itself.

Are they preaching different target or insisting different path? Yes, its different way to reach the spot our target moksha.

Now my understanding of brahma,vishnu and shiva, though we know their department creation, protection of good and destruction of evil, lets focus with the angle of our branches. Its my POV and its certainly not universal law. Welcome to disagree.😊

Dvaitham- Lord Brahma, who created us and we cant be part of him. Just like we say we should not question our parents. An unknown fear pushing ourself away from the supremo. It can also be a cause for the less no of brahma temples.

Advaitham- Lord Shiva, who is nowhere than within us. He is the father, mother and guru. We can see him in us.

Vishishta Advaitham: Lord Vishnu, we are part in him. He is everything living and non-living. Whatever we do is part of him. So our punya or papa is none other than what he tolerates. Whatever we do is its action only if we see him in everything.

I know many Vaishnavates (in my family) who follow Vishishta Advaitham, will not worship other deities. It is not that we did complete samarpan to Vishnu, its our ignorance. We can attain it only if we can see and pray vishnu in shiva and in other deities. Good example forever is Hanuman.

So are they not the pillars of our spirituality, lets hold anyone firmly and attain the wisdom. Coming to goddess, I can't see any male in the above statements to claim for female status.

Coming to the show, my appreciation to CV's for their rendition. Usually I hate watching mytho in TV serials or in movies because to highlight the greatness of main deity, they suppress the other. It is an art to portray the highness of one without the stamp down to other. Yesterday episode depicted this quality.

I liked it.

My appreciation to cast and crew.👏


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Posted: 9 years ago
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So true Ramya. If we can't see god in his other forms then we are incapable of seeing his divinity in his creations also. This causes divisiveness and discord in our society.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: avalonhigh1234

So true Ramya. If we can't see god in his other forms then we are incapable of seeing his divinity in his creations also. This causes divisiveness and discord in our society.
Savita

Yes, Savita, If we understand the roots, we will know the branches are going to give the same fruit.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Ramya beautiful post. I like your take on 3 philosophies. But I have another take more on a practical plane. It is also strictly my POV.
Dwaitham- Relation of Action-Direction. Both are distinct, both are important, Krishna directs, Arjuna acts. It is the relation of 2 individuals based on trust and understanding. They are together, yet they are apart. But without each other they are incomplete.
Advaitham- Relation of Hanuman-Rama. In every action of Hanuman Rama exists. He takes the name of Rama before doing any action. Direction is inbuilt with the action. Action is always at the feet of the direction and dedicated to direction. It doesn't need an entity to show direction, infact direction is understood
Vishitha Advaitham- Relation of Prahalad-Vishnu. Though the first 2 are easily relatable, this one is bit difficult. It is the ability to see what others cannot see, it is the ability to see the vision and mission Lord has set for you even before the time, it is the ability to see the change right in front of you and prepare for it. It is like understanding the entire nature and its movements and knowing which path to choose well ahead of time. If you see Prahalad chants Narayanaya namah: when the world chants Hiranyaya namah:. He was a rebel. He knew the end of Hirnayaya namah. He was a visionary at a tender age.
So the question is can we reach Prahlada. Answer is yes. But we have to start at Arjun. Start from Dwaitham and reach Vishitha Advaitham. Understand self, then Understand God, then the nature.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@Shruthi: I liked ur take too.
Yes, starting from arjun itself is difficult and reaching prahlada is the moksha. But our determination leads the road.

Bhakth Hanuman suits anywhere and everywhere dear 😊
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Hi, Just got tempted to add 😊
Besides Dwaita & Adwaita, there is one more Philosopy- The Trika Philosophy.
It is non-dualistic Philosophy, originated in Kashmir, also known as Kashmir Shaivism.

Trika means three fold and Trika philosophy talks about three aspects of Divinity - Shiva, Shakti & nara. Or Shiva, Shakti and nara or Para, Parapara and Apara.
Para means the best, the highest, the Supreme, etc. Para refers to Shiva. Parapara is the intermediary state between Para and Apara. Parapara is the state of both absolute and relativity (Einstein's theory of relativity), which is known as Shakti, without which nara or human cannot realize Para. The third one is apara, where the supremacy of para is lost and gets manifested. Apara refers to nara, a genuine spiritual aspirant. How nara seeks Para through Parapara is Trika phiolophy.

Para is the ultimate Consciousness, which alone is independent (Independent Power of Authority and Autonomy). It is the cause for creation. Para is the state of Supreme Self, which is called as Brahman in Advaita philosophy.


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Posted: 9 years ago
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@Ramya the difference of 3 entities as I see is like this. When you take Arjun-Krishna 2 humans or rather 2 purush itself is different.
When you come to Hanuman, he is the representative of Prakriti or nature. It shows the relation of Purush and Prakriti. Prakriti or Hanuman is super intelligent, but Prakriti uses that power and intelligence at the service of Purush who respects it.
And Prahalad he is ultimate he merges Prakriti and Purush, he is able to see Purush in Prakriti and Prakriti in Purush, feminine in masculine and masculine in feminine and understands the whole creation is the merger of both. And he creates. He creates Narasimha. He knows how to create Narasimha. He knows God comes only for defense. He brings Hiranyakaspu to attack him at Trisandhya. The time when it is neither day nor night. Because without that time, all other aspects of Narasimha doesn't make sense. The boy knew when to create, how to create to destroy evil. In a way he becomes God himself or you can call moksha.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@Meena: Thanks for the info. This is new for me and is quite interesting.
I have a doubt do this nara refers to nara-narayan also?
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@Ramya the difference of 3 entities as I see is like this. When you take Arjun-Krishna 2 humans or rather 2 purush itself is different.

When you come to Hanuman, he is the representative of Prakriti or nature. It shows the relation of Purush and Prakriti. Prakriti or Hanuman is super intelligent, but Prakriti uses that power and intelligence at the service of Purush who respects it.
And Prahalad he is ultimate he merges Prakriti and Purush, he is able to see Purush in Prakriti and Prakriti in Purush, feminine in masculine and masculine in feminine and understands the whole creation is the merger of both. And he creates. He creates Narasimha. He knows how to create Narasimha. He knows God comes only for defense. He brings Hiranyakaspu to attack him at Trisandhya. The time when it is neither day nor night. Because without that time, all other aspects of Narasimha doesn't make sense. The boy knew when to create, how to create to destroy evil. In a way he becomes God himself or you can call moksha.

@bold: 👍🏼.

Regarding Prahalad, we have a story (no authenticity) that all devas prayed to prahalad to call narayan. Because Narayan come to the rescue of one who calls him for the rescue of others i.e selfless call. So it is not narasimha came to rescue prahalad but for his prayers to give relief for hiranyakasipu from his sin. Afterall hiranyakasipu is only his dwarabalak

But again the contradictory is how he rushed for draupadi who called for her rescue? Let me think 😕


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Posted: 9 years ago
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Logically I prefer to see Prahalad as visionary, a creative and a reminder that humans possessed that power in Satyayug, because they had the knowledge. As Prahalad receives knowledge from narad himself even before he is born.
He is the greatest devotee of Lord Vishnu or he becomes the medium through which Visnhu is able to do the duty of sustenance and that is what Bhakt should be, a tool for the lord to create his mastercraft. Narasimha is actually Vishnu's mastercraft. How many conditions that avatar take care of. It is like making the impossible possible.
And note Prahalad does not call Lord. He only tells the affirmation God is everywhere. That was the level of trust the boy had on God, without flinching a bit to tell affirmately God is in that pillar.
And today's man can relate more to Arjun than Prahalad, shows kahan se kahan pahunch gaye as far as knowledge goes for the modern man.
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