Greater than Ram is the Idea of Ram

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Posted: 9 years ago
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I had read this line on a social media platform, and somehow it stayed with me all along.
Greater than Ram is the Idea of Ram.

As I was watching the episode last night, I found myself shifting restlessly, not just on the seat but also in my mind. I tend to squirm a bit every time SKR plays its 'lecture' card. Subtlety is not their forte, I had understood this. Lessons will be thrown at my face, I was dreading it. And while I have no issues with the moral being taught, the manner in which it is presented generally borders on out-of-sync, self-conscious and unnatural preaching. Thus, when Ram began his speech I was about roll my eyes in exasperation again!

Yet, there was something in the moment which engulfed every mundane thing around it. I found myself being less concerned about the fact that the proceeding was far from the times in which the epic was supposed to be set, that Ram was mouthing stuff he may not have said in the epic, people around him were behaving in a manner far removed from the general perception we have of them.

All what mattered was, HE was speaking. And saying things which made sense in the internal universe of SKR and the external universe of the audience. Even if not authentic, at display was a manifestation of higher values, purer thoughts and sublimer conduct- a sattvic idea.
It looked like a Yug-Purush was in command. An Incarnate was in action. The spirit of avatahood was maintained even if the form it took looked jarring. The idea of a man trying to uplift the consciousness of those around him by his sheer presence was enough to make me succumb to the power of the scene. An inexplicable sense of triumph was felt in the moment one saw Ram and Siya in golden light with everything else receding into dark oblivion. NOTHING ELSE MATTERED.

Everyone has a different perception of what the 'essence' of the epic is. I personally derive its essence in the fact that it was a story of an Avatar. An just as Ram may have had to set the norms of a society amidst chaos and anarchy back in those times, Ram now is laying out the standards of ideal conduct in today's world. What Ram stood for inherently remains the same in every age, how and what message he chooses to convey can vary. I see no harm in using Ram as a voice addressing the nation provided he is not just reduced to that.

As far as SKR is concerned, notwithstanding their other faults, they have presented Ram with sufficient reverence befitting an Incarnate. For this and this alone, I am ready to overlook a lot of glitches already done or waiting to come. 😊

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Posted: 9 years ago
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For me Ram was a ideal son ,ideal brother,ideal king,ideal student but not a ideal husband and i don't think even SKR can change my opinion about Ram.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: asmitag

For me Ram was ideal son ,ideal brother,ideal king,ideal student but not a ideal husband and i don't think even SKR can change my opinion about Ram.


Sure.

I believe everyone has a different bearing on which they place their coordinates and judge characters. The lenses from which I view the epic does not warrant me to tick Ram off based on the different roles he played in this manifestation of his. But it was good to know your opinion 😊
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Ram is like a verb more than a noun. Each and every god and the rakshasas they fight and win over are all in significance.
Each god has a quality we should absorb and each evil has a quality that needs to be removed from our soul.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Nice post, @Sadhana., Very well written.
My feelings about the show :

I agree, the makers of the show are being preachy, while addressing various social issues that plague today's society as well as emotional turmoil's that plague one mind., these preachings at times crossing the borderline of being subtle.

But , personally I feel, in order to impress on the today's generation, where there is information overload through various media and every thing is viewed from a materialistic perspective, the preachings cannot any more be subtle, to drive the point home. As a viewer, who look primarily for subtlety in any show / movie, still I do not find the attempt by the makers of SKR, any way jarring, with the exception of portrayal of Raja Dasharath and Kaikeyi's current equation in the show. I confess, I'am not in appreciation of same, making Kaikeyi a typical villain of soaps.

But this feeling of mine is being overruled by the excellent portrayal of the Hero of the epic, Rama. , becoz for me that is what matters. His actions and the justification given for his actions, even if it the writers own interpretation - I bet none had ventured before.

What impresses me is that they are daring to do that., which none had done till now, vide a TV show or a movie.

I have mentioned this in my other post, that the show is not about simply portraying Rama and Sita as divine, but impressing on our minds, as to WHY they are divine.

Yes, there are a section of audience, who do not appreciate any sort of additional creative liberties the makers are taking to drive down some points. Understand their emotions and sentiments.

The inclusion of Rama overriding some aspects of Horse sacrifice is out of place and not necessary, it is no where mentioned in the epic, or probably in any of the '300' versions. There were no recorded convo's of Rishi Jabali and Rama, as shown in the show. Raja Dasharath was not guilt ridden when he indeed had to give away Shanta., nor there was any record of disharmony between him and his queen , becoz of that.

But at the conclusion of these tracks, what is the output ?

Beautiful messages ! Vide Rama - the divine incarnate. His "idea" of viewing the world and its existence.


Contrary to what is told in the epic, Rama asked Sita y/day, if it is her will to accept him. A section of forum members found a valid explanation for his action.

And personally I looked at it from another pov. There are 2 aspects here.

1. The rule is to string the bow. Sita's approval is based on 'that' condition.
2. The Kings who were assembled there , came with a particular intention, to be wedded to Sita , provided they be successful.

Now, Rama, could not ' string' the bow. He actually had broken it. Also, he had not come there with an intention of marrying her. He took it as an order from his Guru.

So, Isn't it very much necessary to know Sita's approval , provided both the general conditions were not met ? How is it any deviation to the traditions prevailed in that era ?

And so, isn't that why he is Maryada Purushottam ? Stickler to the Rules of the highest order ?

And so, Janak clarified the real meaning behind the swayamwar...that it is not about the 'stringing' the bow., but to find some one who has all the required characteristics , and so a worthy one for his daughter.


And can any one say, what has been concluded in each of these tracks, is incorrect and not worth to consider ?

Though fictional, were they against the character of Rama, as we know from epics ?

Then why such extreme outbursts ?

The show does not claim, that it is Valmiki Ramayana, or Tulsi Ramayana or Ramayana in original., or that it conforms to any particular version.

The title itself is Siya Ke Ram. About Sita's Ram...about Sita and Ram.

I view the show, only as a basic plot of Ramayana, with the learnings that I can imbibe from the actions of Sita - Ram., with the events transpiring in their life, some conforming to the epics, some created out of compulsions out of current trends of society. In a nutshell, the message it is trying to deliver, taking the epic as the basis., cannot be trashed, for they do hold depth and meaning.

I'am neither watching the show, for the actor / actress, their acting prowess or their physical attributes nor the technical aspects such as VFX etc.,
I do not intend to either go into that era either literally or figuratively to take home some learnings.

I also feel, God took an incarnation in human form, just to come close to we humans, to understand him from a 'human' perspective. There is nothing wrong per me, if we can 'relate' to him from a human platform, becoz, with our limited vision, that how we can understand him the best.

So, I'am satisfied as of now with the show.




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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: adi2512

Nice post, @Sadhana., Very well written.

My feelings about the show :

I agree, the makers of the show are being preachy, while addressing various social issues that plague today's society as well as emotional turmoil's that plague one mind., these preachings at times crossing the borderline of being subtle.

But , personally I feel, in order to impress on the today's generation, where there is information overload through various media and every thing is viewed from a materialistic perspective, the preachings cannot any more be subtle, to drive the point home. As a viewer, who look primarily for subtlety in any show / movie, still I do not find the attempt by the makers of SKR, any way jarring, with the exception of portrayal of Raja Dasharath and Kaikeyi's current equation in the show. I confess, I'am not in appreciation of same, making Kaikeyi a typical villain of soaps.

But this feeling of mine is being overruled by the excellent portrayal of the Hero of the epic, Rama. , becoz for me that is what matters. His actions and the justification given for his actions, even if it the writers own interpretation - I bet none had ventured before.

What impresses me is that they are daring to do that., which none had done till now, vide a TV show or a movie.

I have mentioned this in my other post, that the show is not about simply portraying Rama and Sita as divine, but impressing on our minds, as to WHY they are divine.

Yes, there are a section of audience, who do not appreciate any sort of additional creative liberties the makers are taking to drive down some points. Understand their emotions and sentiments.

The inclusion of Rama overriding some aspects of Horse sacrifice is out of place and not necessary, it is no where mentioned in the epic, or probably in any of the '300' versions. There were no recorded convo's of Rishi Jabali and Rama, as shown in the show. Raja Dasharath was not guilt ridden when he indeed had to give away Shanta., nor there was any record of disharmony between him and his queen , becoz of that.

But at the conclusion of these tracks, what is the output ?

Beautiful messages ! Vide Rama - the divine incarnate. His "idea" of viewing the world and its existence.


Contrary to what is told in the epic, Rama asked Sita y/day, if it is her will to accept him. A section of forum members found a valid explanation for his action.

And personally I looked at it from another pov. There are 2 aspects here.

1. The rule is to string the bow. Sita's approval is based on 'that' condition.
2. The Kings who were assembled there , came with a particular intention, to be wedded to Sita , provided they be successful.

Now, Rama, could not ' string' the bow. He actually had broken it. Also, he had not come there with an intention of marrying her. He took it as an order from his Guru.

So, Isn't it very much necessary to know Sita's approval , provided both the general conditions were not met ? How is it any deviation to the traditions prevailed in that era ?

And so, isn't that why he is Maryada Purushottam ? Stickler to the Rules of the highest order ?

And so, Janak clarified the real meaning behind the swayamwar...that it is not about the 'stringing' the bow., but to find some one who has all the required characteristics , and so a worthy one for his daughter.


And can any one say, what has been concluded in each of these tracks, is incorrect and not worth to consider ?

Though fictional, were they against the character of Rama, as we know from epics ?

Then why such extreme outbursts ?

The show does not claim, that it is Valmiki Ramayana, or Tulsi Ramayana or Ramayana in original., or that it conforms to any particular version.

The title itself is Siya Ke Ram. About Sita's Ram...about Sita and Ram.

I view the show, only as a basic plot of Ramayana, with the learnings that I can imbibe from the actions of Sita - Ram., with the events transpiring in their life, some conforming to the epics, some created out of compulsions out of current trends of society. In a nutshell, the message it is trying to deliver, taking the epic as the basis., cannot be trashed, for they do hold depth and meaning.

I'am neither watching the show, for the actor / actress, their acting prowess or their physical attributes nor the technical aspects such as VFX etc.,
I do not intend to either go into that era either literally or figuratively to take home some learnings.

I also feel, God took an incarnation in human form, just to come close to we humans, to understand him from a 'human' perspective. There is nothing wrong per me, if we can 'relate' to him from a human platform, becoz, with our limited vision, that how we can understand him the best.

So, I'am satisfied as of now with the show.





Well put👍🏼.

Excuse my borrowing this from Rang De Basanti, but I believe that there are two ways of watching a show. One- I accept whatever is being shown and try to find positives which would keep me engaged enough to watch it. Two- I pick up the remote and exercise my right of switching it off. This third way of watching and constantly whining is something I have never understood.😆

And it is not rocket science to decipher after two months that the show is not loyally following any version. I also realised long time ago that the show may not offer the kind of depth I am looking for. So I learnt to bring down my expectations and accept their presentation and dig out some gems scattered around.

Moreover, things don't automatically become worthy of criticism just because it is not 'authentic'. I guess Ram was not shown to be sitting and meditating on a hill top with the Supreme Godhead silently behind him when he was introduced in the epic. Neither did multiple people have the fortune of seeing this form of his in the original. But does this take away the beauty of all those visuals which we witnessed in these sequences? I am sure Ram may not have been worshipping the giant idol of Vishnu in a sabha, but was the moment not poignant where the avatar was bowing before the Source?. Ram and Jabali did not have a conversation,I agree. But this does not prevent me from recognising the interesting irony of the 'Jagat Satya Brahm Mithya' song when sung in Ram's presence. Thus, there is a lot to appreciate given the intention. For I have recently realised that if I want to like something, I will find a way to like it.😆
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sadhana_pr


Well put👍🏼.

Excuse my borrowing this from Rang De Basanti, but I believe that there are two ways of watching a show. One- I accept whatever is being shown and try to find positives which would keep me engaged enough to watch it. Two- I pick up the remote and exercise my right of switching it off. This third way of watching and constantly whining is something I have never understood.😆

And it is not rocket science to decipher after two months that the show is not loyally following any version. I also realised long time ago that the show may not offer the kind of depth I am looking for. So I learnt to bring down my expectations and accept their presentation and dig out some gems scattered around.

Moreover, things don't automatically become worthy of criticism just because it is not 'authentic'. I guess Ram was not shown to be sitting and meditating on a hill top with the Supreme Godhead silently behind him when he was introduced in the epic. Neither did multiple people have the fortune of seeing this form of his in the original. But does this take away the beauty of all those visuals which we witnessed in these sequences? I am sure Ram may not have been worshipping the giant idol of Vishnu in a sabha, but was the moment not poignant where the avatar was bowing before the Source?. Ram and Jabali did not have a conversation,I agree. But this does not prevent me from recognising the interesting irony of the 'Jagat Satya Brahm Mithya' song when sung in Ram's presence. Thus, there is a lot to appreciate given the intention. For I have recently realised that if I want to like something, I will find a way to like it.😆


@ bold - Completely agree with you 😆

N/less., a desire to Like something, depends on ones's perception and sensibilities too...😊

Me too started to watch the show, with least expectations. But what struck me were the 'fictious' Rama - Jabali sequences, that have been conceived and presented.,

Yes, there are few creative liberties that have robbed the show of the expected depth so far, but whenever Rama came into picture, the makers / writers have done a good justice in his portrayal and that made me kind of overlook their liberties.

Hope the show continues to engage me in the same manner, if not more.

However, I will be looking forward with utmost interest towards only one aspect now., how they would be conceiving the banishment of Sita to forests ( provided the show sustains TRP race till then 😉😆).



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Posted: 9 years ago
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@Sadhana what a beautiful post dear. Applause. I loved every sentence you have written 👏👏👏. Like you said I watch a show only if I can connect to it. Else I stop watching to it. I can connect to this show. I dont know but each episode does give me something to write about, discuss about and brings me some kind of peace. And for me that is what Ramayan is. It should give you a good feeling along showing the basic story.
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@Sadhana what a beautiful post dear. Applause. I loved every sentence you have written 👏👏👏. Like you said I watch a show only if I can connect to it. Else I stop watching to it. I can connect to this show. I dont know but each episode does give me something to write about, discuss about and brings me some kind of peace. And for me that is what Ramayan is. It should give you a good feeling along showing the basic story.


Thank you. I love reading your posts though I am usually not able to participate in the discussions😊.

The show indeed has a positive vibe. It needs one to approach it with a open mind I guess. The day I realised that no one is obliged to make a prime time show according to my preferences, I was more at peace. I judge them now on how they interpreted and presented a particular aspect and not on why they dared to do so!
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Posted: 9 years ago
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What impresses me is that they are daring to do that., which none had done till now, vide a TV show or a movie.

I have mentioned this in my other post, that the show is not about simply portraying Rama and Sita as divine, but impressing on our minds, as to WHY they are divine.

Perfect!

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