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Posted: 13 years ago
#41
upra i just watched that episode and i disagree with oldcounty as she said bhuaji and roli push her to do that.simar khud pehele kaha ki humare pass dance karne ko jane lawa or koi rasta bhi nehi hai roli even that time dont say anything not even bhuaji.after simar bhuaji said its not that much easy for her simar then said yes i know ...watch 21st july 2011 part 2.then simar wrote a letter for prem then roli said yes how prem believe simar before this time also prem will believe her.then simar wrote a letter and roli gave that letter to rohan.i dont know why oldcounty said that roli lier ...oldcounty we respect ur openion whatever u said i disagree with u.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#42
Please watch episodes from may and june.In July episode at the time of marriage simar is been blackmailed by someone for his commision, that is when simar says we have no other option rather go to the competition.Roli is standing for herself.I agree she is in deep pain and she dont have sid either on her side but she is carrying on with her opinions.If the precap is not imagination , she in fact let simar touch her feet.If she want she can just quitely go from there but she did not.She also accepted to take the pooja decoration for herself denying sujathas words.That is where I found her strong in her decisions. I may be wrong or may be the way i understood this soap is this way.
Thank you both for really keeping a good discussion respecting one others opinions.I really appreciate that.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#43
I will watch the older episodes but I will also disagree with 1 of your pts, you said Roli was standing by her opinions. Is Simar not doing the same thing? She is unnecessarily blaming & covicting Roli for a crime Roli has not even committed. Roli is alone and dealing with all the issues herself but Simar has Prem who is going right along with whatever Simar is feeding him rather than taking an objective view. Till yesterday I was very opposed to Sim touching Roli's feet but after watching todays episode wherin everyone (simar, sid, prem) is convicting Roli I am ok with Simar touching Roli's feet. Whatever you may say in Simar's defence she is totally in the wrong since this entire track began. Even on Premar's facebook page her fans are saying she is wrong.
As fair as u r trying to be I know you are a Simar fan so irespective you will lean more towards her defence just as we will lean towards Roli.

Thanks for understanding.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#44
Press conference video where roli speaking about her character at the start of this soap
Simar is forced to tell the truth to Prem.If you remember just before the fight started Prem and Sid resolved the difference between Sim-Roli. I think this is one reason Prem wanted to pull the fact from Sim and he said Sid so that they can help them unite.Very true everyone has only one version ie Sim version.Roli did try to speak up for her version saying she did not do it but it is too late.I also agree no one is trying to listen to her version.Rolis voice also has been changed to talk litte loud by cvs.Only time has to resolve the diference but right now I am completely upset with the 2 sis fighting.
I some how cannot agree sim touching roli feet.they say elders touching youngers feet will decrease the life of younger/elder but as this is just a show we have to agree devrani must touch jetani feet.
Make it clear I am Simar fan but doesnt mean I am not roli fan.I do love both of them.I just like them for different reasons.This is all directors play where sim roli doing there jobs.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: oldcounty30

Press conference video where roli speaking about her character at the start of this soap

Simar is forced to tell the truth to Prem.If you remember just before the fight started Prem and Sid resolved the difference between Sim-Roli. I think this is one reason Prem wanted to pull the fact from Sim and he said Sid so that they can help them unite.Very true everyone has only one version ie Sim version.Roli did try to speak up for her version saying she did not do it but it is too late.I also agree no one is trying to listen to her version.Rolis voice also has been changed to talk litte loud by cvs.Only time has to resolve the diference but right now I am completely upset with the 2 sis fighting.
I some how cannot agree sim touching roli feet.they say elders touching youngers feet will decrease the life of younger/elder but as this is just a show we have to agree devrani must touch jetani feet.
Make it clear I am Simar fan but doesnt mean I am not roli fan.I do love both of them.I just like them for different reasons.This is all directors play where sim roli doing there jobs.

I am sorry I did not realize you were a Roli fan too. I knew you did not dislike Roli but most of your posts/responses are always appreciating Simar individually okr in comparison with Roli so I assumed you were Simar's fan & not Roli's.

I still continue to be only a Roli fan. Simar has a change her character 180 degrees for me to like her.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#46

Yeph I do like bothof them. I feel comparing Sim and Roli as comparing apples and oranges.they both have their own personalities.I like some qualities in sim and some in Roli.

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Posted: 13 years ago
#47

Originally posted by: oldcounty30

Roli and Bhuvaji were the main ones to push simar to get to the dance competition.They kept the thought in simar to go for it and as her character as she dont think for herself resulted with all the consequences ofcourse with a happy end.Rolis character is now shown as she is paranoid as she is alone but she is strong.Prem conveyed to Sid in order to resolve the differences as they did before ,same way sid can talk to roli.Roli right now is not in a position to listen to anyone as Manos words that she is older enough to take care of things has gotten to her mind.The cvs are showing how a 18 year old acts little stubborn, innocent and they think they can do anthing at that age.



Although we don't share the same views, you present your points well 👍🏼

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Posted: 13 years ago
#48
I watch this serial off and on and I have some questions

Why does Simar constantly hush Roli up and expect her to ignore the wrong doings of the family and bear it silently like SHE does ?

Why does she never allow Roli to make a point and treats every question raised by Roli as 'Her Bachpana' ?

Why is she hell bent on moulding Roli to be a replica of HER ? Why cannot Roli be her own self and DIFFERENT ?

What is so good in being a COWARD and bearing injustice by swallowing every damned insult ? Why should Roli who has the fearless spirit to give back good tit for tat and survive smartly be groomed to be a spineless coward who hangs her head down in shame and nods mutely to ANY order given to her ?

Who has given Simar this right ? Does being an elder sister mean Not allowing the younger one to have any individual opinion and suppressing the spark in her so she becomes a carbon copy of the elder sister only ?

Has it struck Simar that perhaps Roli does not need to change at all , but that SHe , Simar needs to change ? That SHE needs to learn to speak up , point out wrong things , give respect only to those who rightfully earn it ? Not people like those stupid bhabis who she keeps shielding ?

Has it struck Simar that LIMITS are shown only with people who believe in them , not with people who stoop to dangerous levels ? The Bhabis threw glass on the stage to harm Simar Roli physically to win a mere competition . It would do them a little good to fear people if their faces were scalded ...maybe they would RE THINK before doing harm to others again . Straight talks r not making them RE THINK , are they ?

Why did she go and APOLOGISE on behalf of Roli ? And reveal her name ? Apologising for her sister as if she is an idiot is treating her in a VERY PATRONIZING and HUMILIATING way . Constantly Simar APOLOGISES on Roli's behalf . WHy ? Simar should apologise only for HERSELF . Roli 's apologies can be given by Roli and if she does NOT wish to , its HER prerogative . Apologies are a very PERSONAL affair , Simar has no RIGHT to apologise for Roli and make her look like an idiot each time .

They may be sisters but this is not maika , its THEIR SASURAL and not just Simar's sasural but also Roli's sasural . Simar seems to think of it only as HER sasural . Roli has her own place in it and NO member in that family will like being slapped in full view ...not those Bhabhis , not Mataji , not the sons ...NOBODY . So Why did Simar expect Roli to swallow it and then just put it behind in a jiffy and act as if nothing happened by putting on fake smiles ?

What she expects is Roli to have SUPER HUMAN SUFFERING ABILITIES . That in itself is wrong . If she has them its fine but she should not expect OTHERS to have them . Why should they ?

That Father .JAMNA ...Why did he not give his younger daughter a chance to explain HER side of the story ? Its COMMON DECENCY . That if a problem occurs , HEAR BOTH SIDES OUT . Even COURTS do that . But JAMNA did not and Simar did not either .

Why did Simar hurriedly run out of the car and catch Roli's hand to show Sasural that everything was FINE between them ? Is not that a LIE ? And is not she the PERFECT BAHU , the SACHAAI KI MOORAT ?
She slaps Roli in full view of Sasural and tries to show Sasural ALL IS WELL . Are sasural people DUMB ? Don't they know BASIC things like PEOPLE ARE OFFENDED AFTER SLAPS AND DO NOT TAKE IT LIGHTLY ?

Simar should understand that HAQ of an elder sister should not be confused with BLATANT DISRESPECT of an individual after GROWING UP . Even JAMNA slapping Simar in full view of Sasural would be EQUALLY WRONG as Simar is GROWN UP .

As far as I see , Simar has NOT realised her mistake AT ALL . She is treating Roli patronizingly by constantly treating her like an impossible child . What Simar needs to do is realise SHE went wrong , overboard and THAT was wrong and it should NEVER be repeated again .

I see no acknowledgement from her side of her mistake . I see WORRY for Roli . Oh , that thoughtless girl ! How she needs to understand !

I see THAT . And its very humiliating for Roli is what I feel . Anny younger sister will resent her elder sister for taking over to this extent .







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Posted: 13 years ago
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@ koolsadhu1000

very nicely put . 👏

Simar is the most confusing character EVER !!!!! I have been reading both sides of arguments & for me few points comes forward .

1 ) Roli made khichdi for everyone . All Simar did was TADKA . Yet when everyone praises the food she immoderately thinks of her Tadka as if Khichdi has only one main ingredient

2 ) She told Roli abt her forgetful nature . So for Simar forgetting to change Matadi's Mala , Tadka , & Forgetting to take out smoke thingy from Mataji's room r equal !!!!! Smoke thing has more importance I agree but U can't compare it to other 2 things .

3) she thinks Roli has change but she is the one who is keep holding her back , Not let her own her mistakes , Not letting her have her own voice , Did she for once ask her what's her side of the story ? Did either Prem or Sid ask Roli what's her story ?

4 ) Truth is Simar does not even know her sister . If hse had known her she would know Roli do something foolish then she has guts to admit it . Like she did with Cream thing .

5 ) Simar thinks she is Sachhai ki Murat but she is not . If It weren't for Simar's foolish ness in the past , Roli would b still in college studying !!!! Not married . Worrying abt Exams & Marks Not Sister bulling in to being Mahan !!!!!

6 ) For the record When I saw Simar confuse abt Y Roli is changed !!!!!! she came off to me as fake person .


for the Simar side I understand that she wants best for her sister . but she should know she is the one who changed her sister 's life . As for Slapping . Roli is not 5 year old , If she had ask her in private , talk to her Roli would have understood . Simar jump to conclusions & thought worst of her sister . To think Your own sister think that she is capable of hurting to prove her point is bit sick .

All in all , Simar is far more wrong than Roli . Simar only told half truth to Prem [ Sid ] & none of them bother to find out other half truth .
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

I watch this serial off and on and I have some questions


Why does Simar constantly hush Roli up and expect her to ignore the wrong doings of the family and bear it silently like SHE does ?

Simar believes that the way she does things and what she allows is right.

Why does she never allow Roli to make a point and treats every question raised by Roli as 'Her Bachpana' ?

She thinks because she is older she is right. ^ as before

Why is she hell bent on moulding Roli to be a replica of HER ? Why cannot Roli be her own self and DIFFERENT ?

Even I want to know the answer to this question. ^ as question 1 I guess.


What is so good in being a COWARD and bearing injustice by swallowing every damned insult ? Why should Roli who has the fearless spirit to give back good tit for tat and survive smartly be groomed to be a spineless coward who hangs her head down in shame and nods mutely to ANY order given to her ?

Exactly! Roli fights for her rights and she is right. Simar on the other hand believes that those bhabis will one day wake up and become good.

Who has given Simar this right ? Does being an elder sister mean Not allowing the younger one to have any individual opinion and suppressing the spark in her so she becomes a carbon copy of the elder sister only ?

No one. She believes that because she is older...^ same as question 1.


Has it struck Simar that perhaps Roli does not need to change at all , but that SHe , Simar needs to change ? That SHE needs to learn to speak up , point out wrong things , give respect only to those who rightfully earn it ? Not people like those stupid bhabis who she keeps shielding ?

Exactly no. She is just really oblivious and still the idea does not come to her mind that she may be in the wrong.

Has it struck Simar that LIMITS are shown only with people who believe in them , not with people who stoop to dangerous levels ? The Bhabis threw glass on the stage to harm Simar Roli physically to win a mere competition . It would do them a little good to fear people if their faces were scalded ...maybe they would RE THINK before doing harm to others again . Straight talks r not making them RE THINK , are they ? It was broken bangles but nevertheless 👏

Why did she go and APOLOGISE on behalf of Roli ? And reveal her name ? Apologising for her sister as if she is an idiot is treating her in a VERY PATRONIZING and HUMILIATING way . Constantly Simar APOLOGISES on Roli's behalf . WHy ? Simar should apologise only for HERSELF . Roli 's apologies can be given by Roli and if she does NOT wish to , its HER prerogative . Apologies are a very PERSONAL affair , Simar has no RIGHT to apologise for Roli and make her look like an idiot each time .

It's her believe about Roli and her "bachpana" again...

They may be sisters but this is not maika , its THEIR SASURAL and not just Simar's sasural but also Roli's sasural . Simar seems to think of it only as HER sasural . Roli has her own place in it and NO member in that family will like being slapped in full view ...not those Bhabhis , not Mataji , not the sons ...NOBODY . So Why did Simar expect Roli to swallow it and then just put it behind in a jiffy and act as if nothing happened by putting on fake smiles ?

It's the elder thing again I believe. She is older and she is awalys right vagera vagera... well I guess CVs trying to promote "Sasuraal Simar Ka I guess.😕

What she expects is Roli to have SUPER HUMAN SUFFERING ABILITIES . That in itself is wrong . If she has them its fine but she should not expect OTHERS to have them . Why should they ?

Trying to understand that myself.

That Father .JAMNA ...Why did he not give his younger daughter a chance to explain HER side of the story ? Its COMMON DECENCY . That if a problem occurs , HEAR BOTH SIDES OUT . Even COURTS do that . But JAMNA did not and Simar did not either .👏 I have no clue why every one became so anti-Roli.


Why did Simar hurriedly run out of the car and catch Roli's hand to show Sasural that everything was FINE between them ? Is not that a LIE ? And is not she the PERFECT BAHU , the SACHAAI KI MOORAT ?
I felt the exact same way! To me that hand holding made her look really self-centered.

She slaps Roli in full view of Sasural and tries to show Sasural ALL IS WELL . Are sasural people DUMB ? Don't they know BASIC things like PEOPLE ARE OFFENDED AFTER SLAPS AND DO NOT TAKE IT LIGHTLY ?👍🏼

Simar should understand that HAQ of an elder sister should not be confused with BLATANT DISRESPECT of an individual after GROWING UP . Even JAMNA slapping Simar in full view of Sasural would be EQUALLY WRONG as Simar is GROWN UP .👍🏼

As far as I see , Simar has NOT realised her mistake AT ALL . She is treating Roli patronizingly by constantly treating her like an impossible child . What Simar needs to do is realise SHE went wrong , overboard and THAT was wrong and it should NEVER be repeated again . 👏 From your post to CVs ears.

I see no acknowledgement from her side of her mistake . I see WORRY for Roli . Oh , that thoughtless girl ! How she needs to understand !

I see THAT . And its very humiliating for Roli is what I feel . Anny younger sister will resent her elder sister for taking over to this extent .



OMG! You have no idea how much I love this post of yours! I would like it 1000 times over if I could. There has been so much negativity on the forums lately with respect to these questions. I am so glad you asked these questions. I completely agree with what you are saying and it's so nice to have someone relatively new notice this as well.
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