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Posted: 13 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: netri




In my Gujju culture V have rivaj " Annu Dekhadvu " where they show what U r giving to ur girl in wedding, n what ur DIL has bring with them. MY Mom did not do the ribaj with me or My SILs. Which is equally bad. :-) But V r fortunate enough where V can change the world if only many of us think that way.

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in bold: now why thats bad.its good na that she didnt do it with u

in blue:this was the word I tried hard to recollect but wasnt able to...same happens in our community and all the women comes and sees wHAT THE GIRL HAS BROUGHT... I m totally against this Rivaj...and I even opposed in my S-I-L case...but no one gave ears to my words and said that u r still small,dont know anything and we have to stay in this society so have to follow the rivaj otherwise people will start making talks...and that ceremony took place at my home.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Excellent and thought provoking post Manju👏
Dowry is an excuse for denial for girl's share in inheritence.Most of the people say that
they gave their daughter's share in inheritence in the form of dowry that will help the couple to have convinient start of their practical
life.Why girls are even being deprived of expending their share of inheritence where ever they would like to?After all
its their share so it becomes possession or share by name only as people give it for keeping their own pride intact and that also beyond their
own expenses in order to keep their heads high but will that pride be immortal?and those who speak won't even shut their big mouths they never get satisfied.Few people say that we gave it according our own will so our daughter may not face any inconvenience in the future life and her standards of living remain the same c'mon people you gave ur daughters' to well-off families or the people having almost same standards of living like urs or else even if its a bit less ur
girl can adjust or else its her husband's obligation to fulfill her requirements as its her obligation to do the same.Dowry a root cause of depriviation among the people of society who can't afford to give it to their daughters or even among the people living under same roof it also creates sense of
deprivation among other SIL's if one of them brought more dowry even also the cause of psychological abuse.Its the sole reason that most of girls don't
get married throughout their lives even if they are longing to and this is the sole reason why girls are consider burden on their parents by others or by parents themselves.Dowry is not a part of any religion different societies started
it in the Ancient time where being girls parents was considered shameful they started giving it as girls's estate or price to the groom
now it is modified and if people don't give more than adequate than stoves burst the victim is always a DIL.Even if not physical voilence isn't witnesses than there is never ending psychological abuse.Ironically,in spite of very high
frequency of domestic violence and frequent cases of stove deaths,dowry-related violence is neither perceived nor recognized as an accepted form of violence nor documented in social science literature.When its a tradition which everyone
follows as a part and parcel of their lives and even it beome obvious to guys and their parents that parents have give their daughters adequate dowry there expectations increases and id their DIL don't bring that desired mostly she has to bear the violence in any form.People should initially shouldn't take it from their own DIL's even if her parents wish to give it to u plainly refuse taking it and than don't even give it to ur daughters even if u are afraid of any kind of violence or psychological abuse if its violence than do inform police and if its psychological abuse than start ignoring it how long will they speak and girl should be strong enough to protest against it don't victimize ur own self.One of our relatives refuse taking dowry himself he established
it all himself by strenuous efforts while seeing him his BIL also refused taking dowry so when u stop giving people will stop taking or demanding it even his parents were expecting to have dowry he makes them agree to his terms and conditions and explain them its not my wife's or her parents obligation to contribute towards our better life even its my duty and I will
fulfill it myself he empowered his family and no one spoke a word.Sadly Dowry has became a part and parcel of our lives it became tradition or better say a trend
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I agree it's a serious issue... let's see how they handle it... I hope they don't mess up things...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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just read the spoilers, ut one thought came to mind, like ur views on it.
Groom wants to marry Bride after hearing suhana, wouldn't problem still b there? I have seen many times Husband is one thing & rest of his family is another. If Grooms family is looking for Dowry, then even after wedding, they would torture Saroj or forse her parents for gifts. IF no gifts then they will keep making saroj's life hell. HUsbd will b at work but yaa.
I read in news papers that Girls kill them selves or In Laws kill them on the issue of dowry, n look like accident !!!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: netri

just read the spoilers, ut one thought came to mind, like ur views on it.
Groom wants to marry Bride after hearing suhana, wouldn't problem still b there? I have seen many times Husband is one thing & rest of his family is another. If Grooms family is looking for Dowry, then even after wedding, they would torture Saroj or forse her parents for gifts. IF no gifts then they will keep making saroj's life hell. HUsbd will b at work but yaa.
I read in news papers that Girls kill them selves or In Laws kill them on the issue of dowry, n look like accident !!!


totally agree with u...I always believe that if there's an arrange marriage and that too in a joint family,one has to not only look at the boy...even parents need to be taken into consideration as a Girl (if she is a house wife) has to spend her whole time with her IN laws(she spends more time with her in laws then her husband,husband is all at work and if a business man works round the clock) and if they r not good...they will make her living hell and in many cases I have seen then the in laws manipulates the truth in front of their sons putting all blame on their D-I-L.
here I think Saroj shuld marry the groom only if their parents agree too accept her without any dowry, and here its not like Saroj is in love with the guy,she has not even seen him so its not a big deal to say no.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Great topic, and equally great responses to it. Now I was born and raised in Vancouver, Canada, I'm 35. I have been to so many weddings i have lost track but there is no such thing as dowry here if you marry an indian girl from here. i know there is this problem with guys marrying girls from India and then almost blackmailing them in giving them money or else they won't apply for the Visa for her to come over here but the dowry tradition has faded away when couples marry here.
You may give the guys family some jewellry, a watch, some clothes but nothing like the thousands of dollars of stuff people give in India. Now I understand traditions and rivaaz but whats the common idiom about society?. "A society that doesn't change or adapt to the times is doomed to stagnate and then decay". If people use the argument that its tradition or the way we used to do things, then women would still not be able to vote, they wouldn't be able to work at the same jobs men do, etc.
Change and adaptation are necessary for a society to evolve and further itself. Now a tradition that leads to heartache, problems, class elitism shouldn't be continued; instead of bringing people together, its actually forcing them apart. A marriage is strong when both sides are equal and stand on the same level of ground. Dowry makes the guy "superior" since he is better off after receiving the items and the bride's family is worse off because they had to give up those items. The bride's family is in a subservient position from the start and marriage is hard enough to be successful at instead of starting off on unequal footing.
Now I'm not saying gifts shouldn't be exchanged and if the girls family can afford it, then they can give whatever their heart wants to give but there should no EXPECTATION from the guy that he will be receiving things. Therefore whenever he gets something, its an added bonus to the marriage and a surprise as well.
Now as for SGP, you have to give it to them for not shying away from todays issues. First the Khushi thread about abandoning girl children and now dowry. I think a way out for SGP without alienating some viewers by taking a stand one way or another is to leave the decision up to the parents of the family and also the back story. If dowry had been discussed prior to the marriage and both sides were okay with it, then it shouldn't be an issue.
You can show the Kashyap family opposing it (Suhana included) but at the end of the day, let it be on the parents shoulders. If they decide to continue the saroj thread, maybe they can show what the future consequences of their decision is but since the parents aren't opposing it, let it happen. By raising awareness about the dowry issue and showing that the Kashyap family is a modern progressive family, it will keep us core fans proud to be called their fans.
Just my opinion
-Rinku
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Posted: 13 years ago
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It is so good to see posts like this Manju, you are a star!! This is where the SGP forum stands out , we are not afraid of discussing on issues which the SGP shows, real issues which affects all of us, issues which we see every day , so good to see a post where a social issue can be discussed.
I appreciate SGP for showing both sides of this , people who are against it and practice there statement like Kyshap, and people who do it happily and accepts the pressure from boys family like KD . What I see is that what ever a parent do they should only do it for there daughter, if they want to give anything it's up to them, if they want to give money then it should be for the girl , if they want jewellery it is for the girl, less or more is up to them, no third party has a right to say otherwise. But unfortunately it's not like that, people have become clever they try to find parents with good financial background, thinking that we will get everything as the patents are loaded, so middle , lower middle class family, lower class family suffer, why ? Because when they themselves look for brides for there sons conveniently forgets what they have been through . No law could change anything as people give and then take with equal ease, the only thing this law would do is to give people some loap hoal that if there is a conflict between families the girl can take the boy to the court and say that they demanded the dowry, my cousin is going through the court case as there mwirrage didn't work out now the girl is claiming that she was asked for dowry which was given by the parents as a present tommy cousin and he took it with out realising that although he didnt asked for it but it could and will be termed as dowery. I have seen many family,s like Kyshaps who has not accepted anything and thank God my family is one of them. My nani went to my mama,s inlaws , they thought she came with some Demand! and she made it very dramatic by starting like saying "' I came with a request which you HAVE to accept" I remember the faces of the family as I was with her , she then said, " we have NO space for any thing, not even a trunk! my son,s room is small and he has already bought new everything and no space, we have everything which we need, so please please if you want this marriage to go ahead then I don't want you to to send anything in the name of jahaiz, anything u want to give to your daughter that's between u and her I don't want to interfere, so please nothing for us please". And this is how we still do it, and we don't even think about receiving or expecting anything.
What ever the outcome in SGP would be I am not bothered as it's great that they are highlighting it. I love SGP for that and this the SGP I am in love with.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#18

Originally posted by: firefly99

Dowry is an excuse for denial for girl's share in inheritence.Most of the people say that
they gave their daughter's share in inheritence in the form of dowry that will help the couple to have convinient start of their practical
life.



@red: Ek dum sahi...👍🏼
Sab ne itna kuch bola hai aur mast bola hai so I have nothing to add...
Edited by tejeshec - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: tejeshec



@red: Ek dum sahi...👍🏼
Sab ne itna kuch bola hai aur mast bola hai so I have nothing to add...


Tabs you hit the nail! I have witnessed these situations where brothers denied giving there sister inheritence share saying you were already given in the name of dowry. But I must say things are changing I see a lot of positive changes too, it's not all bad. So we should highlight good as well.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: venture


Tabs you hit the nail! I have witnessed these situations where brothers denied giving there sister inheritence share saying you were already given in the name of dowry. But I must say things are changing I see a lot of positive changes too, it's not all bad. So we should highlight good as well.

I agree di even I witnessed few positive changes but only few positive changes and I have great regard for those who are daring and firm enough.Any kind of positive change is greatly admirable even if we go twenty thirty years back dowry wasn't even demanded by many or not even given by few people or even if given it was limited but now as Modern Era has arrived such issues are prevailing even more its infinite circle.I had an experience of visiting somewhere where people are living according to the demands modern era their apparel reflects something and when u hear their thoughts and see their approach they are hollow and diseased inside.

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