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Originally posted by: annete

for CB

Teri pyar ka kya jawab don

Teri dosti ko kya kitaab dun

Koi accha sa phool hota peish karta

Mgar jo khud ''NAYAAB'' ho usay kya gulaab don..

is mehfil ko salaam dosto 👏

Hgg ji,

Originally posted by: hotdogg

Hi Smrth..

Good to see you back again...

I stopped watching because it was becoming unbearable, experiencing the:
(i) illogic (e.g. Kalika's 'convenient' marriage)
(ii) twisting of well-loved events from the past in 'retelling' the new position ( FBs)
(iii) total twisting of character positions (this was the cruelest cut...Kumud, Guniyal, DB, VC, Kusum, Kumari... all gone and new versions out!)
(iv) complete TRP/TVT alignment...the corollary of which was that the link to the source was now in name only...utterly more illogic

If we shift our frame of reference to the complete TRP/TVT alignment...then the current status is completely logical...no matter how paradoxial it sounds... but then we are speaking of the TRP/TVT alternate universe! ...which is something out of the Twilight Zone 😉...

In this universe...

1) Samud is the multi-crore whale for SP & SH...
- it now prevents the SC TRP/TVT from falling significanlty lower...there is some sort of floor in place now...

Why a floor? Because no matter what...

a) there is now a residual loyal and addicted fan-base which will tune in to see Samud and be satisified along the lines of "Hayee I am dead...what shirt..what expressions...what eye-lock" etc... (not trying to be flippant...but such reactions express succintly the whole gamut of emotions / hooks)...

...this fan-base was interested largely only in the Hayee things even earlier when SLB was driving it...and even now looks at the Hayee things in all the muck...

They want Samud together in the end...and are willing to take anything as long as they get their little Samud fixes right till the end

b) Ppl who were there earlier for the context, the characters, the treatment have left...

c) but replenished in TVT / TRPs with new folk who are denizens of this Twilight Zone and identify with the new position...who dont particulary care about Samud...but get vicarious pleasure in Samud's continued agony...through their seperation, villain's chaal, kusum's antics etc...

They are here for this ride...all trials and tribulations cutting into Samud

So Net Net due to Samud >>> (a) - (b) + (c) = New Viewer Level = Old Viewer Level (more or less) = Same Relative TRP/TVT ranking at #13 / #14 position

2) IPK2 is at #23 / #24...way too low...
So they are left with Samud...unless a new show comes along...

I heard that SC has now got an extension...even with a relative TRP/TVT ranking same as when SLB was running the show...Obviously!

3) Life then becomes so easy for SC Creative...keep Samud whale alive and it will earn ad revenues...

- Samud ensures TRP/TVT at mimimum level...
- Twilight Zone antics provide a TRP/TVT top-up...

4) Ergo... No link to Source...it simply does not matter anymore...

5) Consequently, after the divorce crap...there will be other ways to keep Samud seperate in order to keep pumping #3 above...

- Towards that Kalika will be the agent...she has metamorphed into the quintessential TRP/TVT super vamp / villian who is the smartest cookie around...always manipulating everyone, churning chaals...most of which almost succeed...yet foiled in the end (to keep the game running), sometimes getting caught...yet smartly escaping...

This placement was done in typical Twilight Zone fashion...instant marriage to Yash...who has again conveniently disappeared...the new Yash is a side-actor...the old Yash is out...Ergo, Yash is a vehicle for the primary villian Kalika to get placed...

- Kalika will push different buttons...now its Kusum...then who knows...Khoti Kaki, Yash, BD, Kumari, VC, DB, Guniyal...all are now game...and will be taken up one by one to keep Samud away...

- Even Kumud is par for course...imagine a scenario of Kumud getting remorseful, guilty due to Pramad reform (we have an easy 15 - 20 days of antics here when she looks after an ill Pramad) / Pramad death then Kusum engagement break-off due to Pramad death / Kumud getting blamed, Kumud as widow, Kalika saying saras & kusum also had a thing...etc. etc.

I strongly feel...they will come very very dangerously close to a saras - kusum formal link-up...it is just to delicious to pass up...
- (a) group will desperately tune-in everyday to see a glimmer of hope / the 'samud in pathos' scenes
- (c) group from Twilight Zone will tune-in everyday to gloat over the samud comeuppence...marvel at kalika's chaals, applaud (or groan) when the chaal fails...look forward to new chaal...

So yes...completely agree...the dots are definitely getting aligned for the 'end game'...it is coming in full force...

...They may not push it fully through...

And yet...

If the 'end game' does get closed...the Twilight Zone actually offers more opportunities to extend the life of the Samud whale...

Imagine Group (a) now tuning in even more desperately to catch their precious moments and hoping these two will come in together...Group (c) will be happy too...cause now it will be a Kumud as protaganist churning her chaals to expose kusum / kalika...

I am the unfortunate Group (b) ...was a part of Group (a) when it made sense...

So I have opted out...Twilight Zone does not suit me...😉

Originally posted by: pasumarthisa

Hgg ji,

Welcome back. I L know you just dropped to say hi. Would like to see your comments on that facial court scene of yesterday. No lawyer and all.

Shanthi--

This is what I know...

- Kumud & Pramad would have sought divorce under the Hindu Marriage Act (1955).
- Typically divorce in India is long drawn ...with prosecution times and process taking minimum 1 year to even begin to be heard.
- Legally, the only quick way to get a divorce is if both parties seek divorce by mutual consent - and mutually agree to a settlement and file for a "no-fault" divorce. However, to be considered under this category it is mandatory for both to have lived seperately for a year.

Even for filing under the supposed mutual consent, the process is tortuous to say the least.

1) Both parties file affidavits in the local District Court - called First Motion Petition for Mutual Consent Divorce. This contains joint statement by both that due to irreconciliable differences they wish to seperate. >>> I guess these were the papers Pranad was asked to sign when Meerabai horror had started to mutate.

2) After 6 months,both again file jointly the Second Motion Petition for Mutual Consent Divorce.
From a process perspective, the 6 month gap is kept so as to give an opportunity to both to reconsider their decision if required.

At this stage they are actually required to appear in the District Court. >>> I guess this is the epi and scene you mention. CVs have taken the creative liberty of compressing the 6 months to reach this stage.

3) After hearings both (this could be done without a lawyer making representations), IF the judge is satisfied that all the necessary grounds and requirements for the divorce have been met, the couple is granted a mutual divorce decree.

NOW

If either party withdraws the divorce petition within 18 months of the filing of the First Motion Petition, the court will initiate an enquiry and halt its decree.

And if anyone of the concerned party continues to refuse consent to the divorce petition, the court will no longer have the right to grant a divorce decree.

4) If divorce by mutual is not possible, then both parties go for contested divorce.
However, here only one party files unilaterally after which the other contests it.

Some reasons for unilaterally filing a contested divorce are;
- Adultery / any sexual relationship outside of marriage. (check)
- Wilful desertation or abandonment for a continuous period of 2 years.
- Physical or mental torture with an aim to cause death or physical harm (check).
- Insanity or incurable disease (check).

Whatever the claim made above has to be proven with documentary evidence.
Obviously this is the more bitter, longer and emotional tortuous process of seeking a divorce - with the contesting part getting a lot of time to threaten, harm, destroy evidence etc.

Also, the petitioner has to sign a Letter of Authority giving his/her lawyer the authority to represent the petitioner in court. Only then does the court work with the lawyer.

Coming to the scene:
- I guess Pramad initially signed up for a divorce by Mutual Consent.
- Neither party employed lawyers to represent them... Pramad because he knew he's going to refuse.
- At the hearing, the moment he refused to grant consent for divorce - the whole game changed from Mutual Consent category to a Contested Divorce category.
- Under the circumstances, from a legal process perspective - the judge had no option but to throw it out...and ask them to try and reconcile or file under the new category.

So I guess its technically correct...though they fudged the timelines by a long margin...

Given that, wish SP had tried to explicitly mention the reasoning through a scene with saras & lawyer etc...would have been Nayi Soch then...

Originally posted by: smrth

Saw this just now...

Brother, superb analysis of a product and its recipient base. Insightful, instructive and in its customary neat diagram.👏 Mulling it over. Some quick reflections...

- perhaps 'hayee' class has a prior claim by virtue loyalty, and though they also appraised quality- they also bear the brunt of atrocious dips and declines. But it's their choice.

- b) class are mercilessly chased out loyals turned disillusioned critiques. Initially hooked or roped in here on baits of genuine quality. Which was once displayed but withheld later on.

- c) is a catagory that I had not much thought about before. Your tab explains them and their clout much better...

- 'versions 2' is a depressing list. But interestingly, it leaves Saras out. So he is 'maintained' more or less? Sometimes even at the expense of Kumud? Remember our 'blame- transfer' or seesaw discussions? Would a desire to cater the calls of the class a), see him 'maintained'? An intriguing possibility, given the fan base. But ironical. Saras is majorly adopted version right from the beginning.😲

Though mostly ousted, a banal curiosity is pulling me back on the band wagon. To see; 1) how the 'end game' is getting played out here. 2) What and how would be the 'selvage'.

Here, towards 1), there is an additional motive. As they will draw 'original premise' to run their shop, I may at least point out some inherent contradictions, right from the source- side by side countering their prentious draw...a symbolic reprisal for a one who has been ousted with group b)..let us join the show! Just to see 'Devine' farce and her celestial cuckold- Key dot mr, Danny!

Spoof no 1: he never existed physically in the novel.😕

smrth-

all I can say is that you are quite brave...

I will sit this one out for some time and be content with CB...

Zor Ka Jatka Dheer Se Lage types...

😉

Originally posted by: hotdogg

Shanthi--

This is what I know...

- Kumud & Pramad would have sought divorce under the Hindu Marriage Act (1955).
- Typically divorce in India is long drawn ...with prosecution times and process taking minimum 1 year to even begin to be heard.
- Legally, the only quick way to get a divorce is if both parties seek divorce by mutual consent - and mutually agree to a settlement and file for a "no-fault" divorce. However, to be considered under this category it is mandatory for both to have lived seperately for a year.

Even for filing under the supposed mutual consent, the process is tortuous to say the least.

1) Both parties file affidavits in the local District Court - called First Motion Petition for Mutual Consent Divorce. This contains joint statement by both that due to irreconciliable differences they wish to seperate. >>> I guess these were the papers Pranad was asked to sign when Meerabai horror had started to mutate.

2) After 6 months,both again file jointly the Second Motion Petition for Mutual Consent Divorce.
From a process perspective, the 6 month gap is kept so as to give an opportunity to both to reconsider their decision if required.

At this stage they are actually required to appear in the District Court. >>> I guess this is the epi and scene you mention. CVs have taken the creative liberty of compressing the 6 months to reach this stage.

3) After hearings both (this could be done without a lawyer making representations), IF the judge is satisfied that all the necessary grounds and requirements for the divorce have been met, the couple is granted a mutual divorce decree.

NOW

If either party withdraws the divorce petition within 18 months of the filing of the First Motion Petition, the court will initiate an enquiry and halt its decree.

And if anyone of the concerned party continues to refuse consent to the divorce petition, the court will no longer have the right to grant a divorce decree.

4) If divorce by mutual is not possible, then both parties go for contested divorce.
However, here only one party files unilaterally after which the other contests it.

Some reasons for unilaterally filing a contested divorce are;
- Adultery / any sexual relationship outside of marriage. (check)
- Wilful desertation or abandonment for a continuous period of 2 years.
- Physical or mental torture with an aim to cause death or physical harm (check).
- Insanity or incurable disease (check).

Whatever the claim made above has to be proven with documentary evidence.
Obviously this is the more bitter, longer and emotional tortuous process of seeking a divorce - with the contesting part getting a lot of time to threaten, harm, destroy evidence etc.

Also, the petitioner has to sign a Letter of Authority giving his/her lawyer the authority to represent the petitioner in court. Only then does the court work with the lawyer.

Coming to the scene:
- I guess Pramad initially signed up for a divorce by Mutual Consent.
- Neither party employed lawyers to represent them... Pramad because he knew he's going to refuse.
- At the hearing, the moment he refused to grant consent for divorce - the whole game changed from Mutual Consent category to a Contested Divorce category.
- Under the circumstances, from a legal process perspective - the judge had no option but to throw it out...and ask them to try and reconcile or file under the new category.

So I guess its technically correct...though they fudged the timelines by a long margin...

Given that, wish SP had tried to explicitly mention the reasoning through a scene with saras & lawyer etc...would have been Nayi Soch then...

Originally posted by: tryforceful

Pramad confessing to his crimes in the courthouse and openly asking for mercy and reconciliation from Kumud is a bit dubious. Why would that even be considered when the man is a convict? I don't think Kumud took back the complaint she'd filed when he was taken to the hospital. From what I'd read from WU, it looked like Pramad didn't 'care' about the repercussions of his crime confessions which again gives the impression that he is 'sincere' in his 'apology' ALTHOUGH i fail to understand why such a monster isn't sent to a correctional facility in his last days? Why does the law give him mercy for his apparent change of heart, completely discounting his past deeds? When the spouse is facing imminent death, shouldn't the court be proactive and speed up the process so as to not make the contesting spouse a widow (since in small villages, they are looked down upon with contempt)?

Is he gaming the system or is SP tweaking the system to play its game?😕

@Bold...

In the eyes of the court there would be very clear separation between his crimes and Kumud's insistence for a divorce... and no grounds whatsoever to intervene after whatever happened in the epi...if her submission was made under mutual consent category ...

..Kumud would definitely have filed under the mutual consent category...she could have filed for divorce on her own...but she wanted a signature of Pramad only for the mutual consent filing .

Also If his crimes were:
- the attempt to kill kumud...well that complaint was taken back by kumud...
- the attempt to kill saras...well that's not been proven...
So technically, there is no conviction...ergo...he's presumed innocent unless proven guilty..

If kumud applied under the contested divorce category...then his confession of crimes would be suitable grounds enough for granting the divorce even if kumud cannot show evidence and irrespective whether he was separately convicted for these crimes or not...

From a law perspective, judge has to go by the book and due process...and not grant 'special' favors for specific personal situations...if it started to do that everyone would have some 'genuine' reason or the other to speed up their case...

So seemed to me he is gaming the system. ..from the story perspective...If he is indeed dying and has had a change of heart (??)...he is making sure kumud stays 'his' from a legal perspective till he dies or till kumud reapplies for the contested divorce ... so he's having the last laugh...this is a masterstroke...Now if kumud goes there and takes care of him...her entire contested divorce case also weakens considerably...

...I remember him telling saras ...You will bring kumud back to me...

To the question of whether SP is really gaming...I dont think the SP creatives have that level of intelligence...

Past history & performance strongly points to this alignment happening to real legal process, as a sort of a statistical fluke / an outlier to their bell curve...

I fully expect this brilliant (but fluke) alignment to fizzle out in coming weeks by new absurdities..
😎

Smrth and Hgg Bhaii ...

Hgg ji,

Originally posted by: twila

Smrth and Hgg Bhaii ...

It would be so great to have you back ... watching the show ... and giving us your priceless inputs and Insights once again on a regular basis ... Really hope that you come back... 😊

But ... and there is a big Rider ... Please come with Zero expectations of getting anything like the original ... This is no longer a SLB Product ... now it is going to adhere to the original source only in terms of the barest minimum Outline ... the very broad... Sketchy framework only ...

The Show is now like any of the other hundred shows running on various channels ... with maybe just marginal degrees of superiority in terms of Good actors ... sets ...costumes etc.