Crisp Bytes SC - 16th aug 13 - Page 9

Originally posted by: arshicritic

Actually kat, believe it or not, what we term cringe worthy, actually does generate mass viewership!

So I think, this masala is actually towards mass popularization of sc! Only it will be a different kind of viewership, but its a number game, and sp has always been about mass appeal and not catering to a niche.

Arshi it's beyond me to understand that this is appealing to the masses. I thought masses would want kumud and saras to unite. This asides that has no logic...aren't the masses all abt new India now? Abt freedom to women and all.

Anyway after a good nights sleep i feel more calm and a part of me does understand Kumud's stance...she feels she can change him n make her marriage work then fair play cos end of the day she hasn't been in this marriage for years and years n seen no change but still keeps going.

She stood up to Pramaad once she became all sherni n kind of like has taken the avtaar of maa kaali. She will bring that change in him, destruct all the bad in him.

But they still needed to show the family put on a bit of a fight but is that because of how kumud has always been? They have always listened to her and had faith in her decisions. This is consistent. Her decision has always been heeded to be it right or wrong.

The logical and more real to the novel will be that they keep Pramaad the same n she is pushed out of the BD mansion. Pramaad then does and the rest we all know! But still change the ending so boys n girls there is still hope.

The parts I still don't agree to is sunny's dissapearance n supposedly kusum's appearance in BD mansion

Originally posted by: hotdogg

methinks he went there to kill himself...there were dialogues about 'coming to meet you mom types'...the guilt he felt had no other way to be absolved because he finally realised that in addition to kumud...he has destroyed an entire family AND there is no reversing the clock...then before the final dip...he again remembered kumud...and felt that what is she was forced to also take the path of her mom to end it all going forwards...

that's when he said I will forget my lov and better her marriage...which in turn is resetting everyone to previous state...a happily married kumud...But without saras...

Originally posted by: arshicritic

Come on, Shana, abhi toh hero ne nasha mukti Kendra khola hai. 30 din main sharab churvayaen varna paise wapas!

Saath main patniyon ke liye pati to vash main karne ka mantra free! Mahan jyotish acharya Sri Sri

Saraswatichandra Navin ji ki kripa se!

Originally posted by: hotdogg

...But I still feel that even with DV out of the context (which I have always kept out), I would have liked some more depiction of his urgency, concern and effort to at least find out more from kumud...Not doing so sort of 'dumbed' his character down to that of any other high TRP show - where the men though running million dollar business empires are just plainly passive like the furniture in their homes and who don't 'sense' any undercurrents playing out most times in full daylight ...making it a pure ladies-only playground...

It felt so blase...as if kumud told her that she failed in some school exam..and he's like what?..Why?...Why did I not take time out to teach you? ...and then going OK...do better next time...I know you will come out with flying colors the next time..rum pum pum...

Now if the context was same as the original (19th century) or VC character from beginning was
shown as a dignified, cultured, sophisticated man - a man of ideas but not so much action - yesterday's response would have been fine... However, the VC adaptation here was of a smart businessman, socially adept, full of life, very hands-on, 'let me roll up my sleeves type of character'...<just for a moment picture Yatin's interpretation here>...this just did not gel with me..

And that is the rage on the U-turn I described...more for the character than the context...this character has now been successfully emasculated into just another high TRP show male member...

Bottomline: Come to the same conclusion...that's fine...but show you went through a process which is consistent with your character...I mean, he has done more to find out about Pramad (meeting the guys who knew him , collecting feedback etc.) before he saw it happen than what he did after he saw it happen...

Ivy-
I am not an expert...So I think that successful shows create characters whose 'features' eventually take a life of their own and transform some of them into role models because they connect & identify with the real life masses. When this image is finally createed only THEN can such characters successfully pass on the message...which could becomes the show's message...

You cannot jumpstart the process...i.e. have the show try to pass-on a message through a set of characters which have 'features' which are at odds with the message OR which have not yet transformed into role models OR at odds with real life...

Here...kumud is the completed role model... So as long as she is shown fighting against DV within the limited choices she has...which in turn is basis the story context & circumstances...I am fine... the message is being delivered to the right target segment who in real life are in the same circumstances (i.e. young women in marriages where DV is an issue and who face the same binds she is facing)...So wouldn't bother too much about Kumud's family not 'getting it'...most of the real life people in the target segment also have family who does not 'get it'...So its all the more real..So its still Nayi Soch as far as I am concerned...

NOW the problem / rage for me comes when established role models like kumud are made to reverse their 'features' / message overnight for sake of TRPs...that's where the show makers are committing a crime in my opinion...because that's really short-sightedness and being wholly opportunistic...

Which brings us to Caveat Emptor - Let the Buyer Beware - ...did we really think SP was out to change the world?...So the Topi is and always was on us as viewers...So more Rage...Followed by Depression of knowing I got conned...

😉

@kat and shubsmayur

Originally posted by: arshicritic

No pramaad will die, that is on the cards.

Everything sweet smelling and rosy - pramaad will be reformed - so Kumud wins, her family was right to let her go back with the sharabi

Pramud - will not happen - Kumud will remain, "wiasi hi jaisi gayi thi" oh he will die before their suhagrat happens.

Saras wins his kasam, so he is the hero

Pramaad dies, so Kumud is free

Widow remarriage - good social message,

All will bless it

Kumud again will do it for bapu, swallow her dard and marry Saras

So she remains the sanskari bahu beti

And sp will proudly tout the nayee soch

And we will note that:

No matter how bad a marriage, there's no getting out

Death is the only release

Remarriage only for family, not for self

Kumud was 'untouched ' by pramaad so is pure to be accepted by Saras

As I said everything sweet and rosy!

Pseudo nayee soch!

The real nayee soch - of a trail blazing woman who spurns marriage

Of a truly modern father who asks his daughter to get out before its too late

Of a truly progressive lover who will show her that she is wrong to cling to this relationship - not happening!

Arshi - playing devils advocate hard here but apart from that one incident she hasn't really faced domestic violence as she stood up to it...so this one month long marriage does have a right to have a second chance. I mean yes u can walk out but then it's like the whole 'these days girls don't understand the meaning of marriage. They don't value the relation' this society definitely exists.

If my husband was an alcoholic I can write it down in blood that my mum(who is pretty modern n has always given me great freedom) would say beta don't give up! You can change him. Have faith in God. Divorce is still a big taboo in our society as fear is always that then this girl becomes untouchable! N it's not just parents...it's also a fact that most men unless they are a divorcee themselves won't want to go down the alleyway of marrying a divorced girl so the fear in parents always remain that kahi their daughter doesn't end up alone her whole life.

In Desai's case it's even more sensitive as they have seen Dukhba all alone. Yes she has this big family but its always different having ur 'own' family n perhaps in that sense I understand where dukba is coming from. She has been thru being alone n not having a jeevan saathi n if Kumud wants to give her marriage one more chance then so be it. There is a choti umeed Ki Kiran that perhaps she can change Pramaad. She managed to change Saras!

The nayi soch that SP are pining on isnt that bad but i still don't want Pramad to change and for kumud to accept her as pati n all cos then i won't be able to watch saras kumud get married n now she is stuck in Pramaad memories!

Love the dies before suhaag raat bit!! Hehe! She can run in her shaadi ka jora and all nahiiin...full on filmy! (Yuck!!)

Hero is walking away in the sunset with his bag and kumud is running after him(after sasurji says jaa kumud jaa...jee le apni Zindagi mera beta to waapas nahi aayega!' Lol!!

Originally posted by: arshicritic

I understood and liked Saras going to the spot where his mothers samarpan happened, it's probably, doing something for Kumud, and thus reaching out to his mother. Does he feel some sort of guilt - he was there, he saw what happened, but couldn't save him mom?

So by saving Kumud's marriage, he is cleansing his own soul, taking reference from smrth? Is that so?

But why the 30 day kasam? Isn't that TRP hero giri?

Originally posted by: KK84

Arshi - playing devils advocate hard here but apart from that one incident she hasn't really faced domestic violence as she stood up to it...so this one month long marriage does have a right to have a second chance. I mean yes u can walk out but then it's like the whole 'these days girls don't understand the meaning of marriage. They don't value the relation' this society definitely exists.

If my husband was an alcoholic I can write it down in blood that my mum(who is pretty modern n has always given me great freedom) would say beta don't give up! You can change him. Have faith in God. Divorce is still a big taboo in our society as fear is always that then this girl becomes untouchable! N it's not just parents...it's also a fact that most men unless they are a divorcee themselves won't want to go down the alleyway of marrying a divorced girl so the fear in parents always remain that kahi their daughter doesn't end up alone her whole life.

In Desai's case it's even more sensitive as they have seen Dukhba all alone. Yes she has this big family but its always different having ur 'own' family n perhaps in that sense I understand where dukba is coming from. She has been thru being alone n not having a jeevan saathi n if Kumud wants to give her marriage one more chance then so be it. There is a choti umeed Ki Kiran that perhaps she can change Pramaad. She managed to change Saras!

The nayi soch that SP are pining on isnt that bad but i still don't want Pramad to change and for kumud to accept her as pati n all cos then i won't be able to watch saras kumud get married n now she is stuck in Pramaad memories!

Love the dies before suhaag raat bit!! Hehe! She can run in her shaadi ka jora and all nahiiin...full on filmy! (Yuck!!)

Hero is walking away in the sunset with his bag and kumud is running after him(after sasurji says jaa kumud jaa...jee le apni Zindagi mera beta to waapas nahi aayega!' Lol!!

Originally posted by: hotdogg

So in line with TRPs...we could also see a Samud become a Pramud...courtesy saras who may become a platonic friend of kumud...and possible godfather to pramud's kids.

Originally posted by: arshicritic

Oh! That I completely missed out! Phir se dekhna padega.

But is it in Saras's nature to do something so drastic? Isn't he a fixer? The one who takes on burdens of work to ease burdens of souls - a part of his inflict pain on self! And by giving earned gains where he can't give love?

arshi..
his first instinct has been to back off...consistent with his background...in personal life he has never been the fixer...that has always been kumud.

he backed out the first time, then the second time and now too for the third time when he did not go and meet the desais

on the day of the fight with LN there was the scene when he was saying mom and moving towards the balcony ready to jump..and stopped by guman's entry...

I remember this because as he was walking I was thinking..so this is how he wont be able to meet her...he jumps, is hospitalized. ..guman blames his kumud fixation...LN calls off the marriage..this still absolves him in case they need to reunite again...

did not bring this up coz it did not happen..

but yes...he was shown as someone on the way to jumping off...