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'Music directors talented but lack knowledge'

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Sunday, December 23, 2007 15:52 [IST]

New Delhi: For Pyarelal Ramprasad Sharma, of the popular Bollywood composer duo Laxmikant-Pyarelal, directors like A R Rehman and Himesh Reshamiya lack the knowledge of music possessed by their counterparts in the Golden Era of the 60s.

The veteran director, who has composed music for over 500 films and won seven Filmfare awards, says, formal classical training should be made compulsory for everybody who wishes to compose music.

"If you listen to Himesh Reshamiya's songs, like 'Jhalak Dikh La Jaa' or 'Ashiq Banaya', you can find the repetition of 'Mukhada' (starting words of a song) more than twenty times. This is something great music directors never did and always concentrated more on melody."

"The 'sur' and the melody of Hindi film song is same as those of 60s and 70s but the presentation style and the priorities have changed. Nowadays the emotional bonding of the song with the listener is temporary as music directors give more attention to rhythm and beat and lose control over its melody due to the lack of knowledge," says the director.

Adding that of late, the quality of Hindi film music has seen a downfall and the timeless melodies era of music directors like Shankar-Jaikishan, Madan-Mohan, Khayyam, O P Nayyar, S D Burman will never be recreated, he says, "Today the importance of lyrics has taken a back seat and much attention is being given to sound. A R Rehman prepares his music sitting in a small room whereas in our times live orchestra used to perform for the recording."

After almost nine years, Pyarelal did a composition for Farah Khan's Om Shanti Om (OSO) and has also been approached for doing the full album for Subhash Ghai's next film. "Music director Vishal-Shekhar came to me and said that they want LP's music, the type of music that was played in the 1970s. I liked the concept and did a retro, "he says.

When asked about plagiarism in the music industry and particularly about his song Jhumma Chumma, which was a copy of Mory Kante's "Tama Tama", he says, "Actually the song Jumma chumma was brought to me by Amitabh Bachchan. He wanted this song in the movie 'Hum'. Out of the 500 odd movies that we have done, we must have copied 50 songs because of pressure," he says.

He admits that their compositions had great influence of Shankar-Jaikishan music. About his personal favourites, he comments, "I am a great fan of Shankar-Jaikishan's music. In singers, I would rate Mohammaed Rafi just ahead of Kishore Kumar."

LP worked with almost all notable filmmakers including Raj Kapoor, Dev Anand, Feroze Khan, B.R. Chopra, Shakti Samanta, Manmohan Desai, Yash Chopra, Subhash Ghai and Manoj Kumar in hit films like Dosti, Anurodh, Amar Akbar Anthony, Karz , Sargam etc, .

"Subhash Ghai, Yash Copra and Raj Kapoor are my personal favourites. Raj saab (Raj Kapoor) had a very good understanding of musical instruments and melody."

Laxmikant's death in 1998 gave Pyarelal a shock but he is not disheartened and now he is determined to continue the magic of timeless melodies they had weaved for decades. "I never felt that Laxmiji is not with me. He was a great musician and I learnt a lot from him. I have some good offers of four-five films and I will try to do the justice with the songs."

"Main chala tha akela hi janibe manjzil magar, log aate gaye carvan banata gaya (I began my journey alone, the carvan formed as people kept joining)", he says.


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Posted: 17 years ago
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I agree about Himesh, but completely disagree about AR Rehman. he is a find in the last 50 years I think. He does the best blend of carnatic, hindustani, rap,and arabic. He is extremely knowledgeable about allkinds of music. His Tamil songs are a proof of his classical knowledge also and for that matter,several of Laxmikanth Pyarelal's songs were equally bad in those days.
You have to change with time. YOu cant expect in this age and era to sit with a whole orchestra and create music.
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I also agree with his commenst abt HR..but not ARR....Just coz ARR creates music in a small room doesn't mean he is not knowledgeable..One has to change with tiimes.If he feels ARR is not classically well trained or knowledgeable he shld point out specific instances/parts from ARR's songs.Maybe Pyarelal ji never meant to say that ARR was not classically talented.Maybe the writer just added this part for spice(since there is no direct quote from Pyarelalji wrt that)

ARR's music have a huge variety frm soft melodies to dancey rhythms,classical based to rock & folk.He is perhaps the best we have in the industry today.

As for HR the less said abt him the better.....His jhalak dikhlaja shld be taught in LKG to children(changing the lyrics)The tune is catchy and the mukhda is repeated a 100 times..these are the trademark characteristics of a nursery rhyme. 😆😆😆no wonder the tune is a hit...anyone can hum it....

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I love ARR and noway can compare him with HR. But his "Khalbali" was too repetitive for me.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: sweetmusic

I agree about Himesh, but completely disagree about AR Rehman. he is a find in the last 50 years I think. He does the best blend of carnatic, hindustani, rap,and arabic. He is extremely knowledgeable about allkinds of music. His Tamil songs are a proof of his classical knowledge also and for that matter,several of Laxmikanth Pyarelal's songs were equally bad in those days.
You have to change with time. YOu cant expect in this age and era to sit with a whole orchestra and create music.

I agree time has changed and so has the technology. Amatuer people have labs at homes and they create their own music. Thanks for your views!
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Originally posted by: rock&roll

I also agree with his commenst abt HR..but not ARR....Just coz ARR creates music in a small room doesn't mean he is not knowledgeable..One has to change with tiimes.If he feels ARR is not classically well trained or knowledgeable he shld point out specific instances/parts from ARR's songs.Maybe Pyarelal ji never meant to say that ARR was not classically talented.Maybe the writer just added this part for spice(since there is no direct quote from Pyarelalji wrt that)

ARR's music have a huge variety frm soft melodies to dancey rhythms,classical based to rock & folk.He is perhaps the best we have in the industry today.

As for HR the less said abt him the better.....His jhalak dikhlaja shld be taught in LKG to children(changing the lyrics)The tune is catchy and the mukhda is repeated a 100 times..these are the trademark characteristics of a nursery rhyme. 😆😆😆no wonder the tune is a hit...anyone can hum it....

I think the writer may have put some extra masala. It is very annoying when there is so much repetition in the song. But some of these songs are good for workout though. Probably Pyarelal is right that MD's have less knowledge in balancing the rhythm and the melody.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Music is an open field and most pop songs luv to repeat. It works well and sells. I enjoy creativity and would encourage every type of songs. Good music need not be sophisticated. Repetition of words is also an art form although on surface it may look simplistic.

But yes, certain past and present songs are masterpieces which will stand the test of time.

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: Someshnr

I love ARR and noway can compare him with HR. But his "Khalbali" was too repetitive for me.

I have not heard this song before.Now I have to listen to 'khalbali" for its repetition😃

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