Takdeer Ka Phasana Gaakar Kisse Sunaaen

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Pankh hote to udd aatee re, rasiyaa o zalimaa
tujhe dil kaa daag dikhalaatee re

Yaadon mein khoyee pahuchee gagan me, Panchhee ban ke sachchee lagan mein
Door se dekhaa Mausam hasee thaa, Aanewaale too hee naheen thaa
Rasiyaa, o zalimaa, tujhe dil kaa daag dikhalaatee re

This song is from Movie Sehra and its picturized on sandhya..Composed by a lesser known name ... Ramlal Chaudhary.The music composer Ramlal Choudhry has given some great hits like Sehra, Navrang and Geet Gaya Pathron Ne...

Recently I was watching this song( the one above) on you tube and send it to one my friend. He send me a link and told me a story behind this unfortunate music composer..

At the age of 81( the time this article was written) he doesnt know when he will get his next meal and ahs forced his wife 65 yr old( at time article was written) to work...

It was painful to read this article...here in this forum itself we fight /praise evrey single day our"idols", "star voices"/ favourite singers music directors..some of us worship them!!...Is that where we want them to be in couple of years from now....Do they deserve this!!..where are we heading from here..

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Musician of yesteryears faces his own music

http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/web1/03sep08/national.htm#6
When Ramlal Choudhary gave music to the Mohammed Rafi song 'Takdeer Ka Phasana Gaakar Kisse Sunaaen'(to whom should I tell my sorrowful fate) four decades ago, little did he know that the words would one day come back to haunt him in real life.

Today, at the age of 81, the former Bollywood music director, who composed such hits as 'Pankh Hoti To Udd Jaati Re Rasiya O Zaalima', does not know when he would be able to eat his next meal.

Poverty has even forced his 65-year-old British-born wife to find work.

"I am not asking for much. If the Government cannot provide me two meals a day, I request it to provide at least one meal," says a bitter Choudhary sitting in an old cot in a tiny room which is his house in Khetwadi area on the grant road.

Choudhary is angry that he is forgotten in the land to which he gave the best of his life. "They distribute awards every year and give financial help to artisans. Is my contribution to music any lesser than theirs or are they deaf that my music is not reaching their ears?" asks choudhary clad in a faded T-shirt and lungi.

He and his wife Rita lives on the Rs 700 he receives from the Maharashtra Government. Sometimes, royalty comes from overseas, but this happens only occassionaly and it is not sufficient to live comfortably. Rita was forced to work part-time in a charity organisation. But the amount she earns is meagre.

In his golden days, Chouhary used to smoke three packets of cigarettes. But, today, he has to think twice before even smoking a beedi. He lived in the posh Colaba in South Mumbai in his hey days.

Choudhary composed songs for superhit films like 'Sehara', 'Husnbaano','Geet Gaaya Pattharon Ne','Navarang','Nakaabposh' and 'Naaglok'.

He came to Mumbai in 1944 and got a job in Prithviraj Kapoor's Prithivi Theatre Group as an assistant to music director Ram Ganguly. With Ganguly, he played the flute in 'Dekh Chaand Ki Aor' Sung by Shamshaad Begam and Shailesh 'Jindaa Hoon is Tarah Ki Ghame Zindagi' sung by Mukesh 'Raat Ko Jo Chamake Taare' sung by Shamshaad Begam and Mukesh and 'Kaahe Koyaliyaa Shor Machaae Re', sung by Shamshaad Begam.

As a full-fledged music director, he first landed with producer P L Santoshi's Raj Kapoor-Vaijayantimala starrer 'Tangaawalla' in 1950. He recorded six songs for this film. Unfortunately, the movie was never released. In between, he played continued to play the flute and shehani in various films.

In 1952, he got a second chance as music director for the baal hardeep produced film, 'Husnbaano'.It was a hit film and established Choudhary as a music director.

'Yaa Nabeeb Salaam Lai Jaa' and 'Pyaar Karane Ka Ayaa Jamaana' became hit songs.

Then came producer-director V Shantaram's 'Sehara'.It was a superhit film. 'Pankh Hoti to Udd Jaati Re O Rasiya Jaalimaa' sung by none other than Lata Mangeshkar, 'Takdeer Ka Phasaana Jaakar Kise Sunaaen' sung by Mohammad Rafi, 'Tum To Pyaar Ho Sajana' rendered by Mohammad Rafi and Lata and other songs brought Choudhary international fame.

One more feather was added to his cap with V Shantaram's 'Geet Gaaya Pattharon Ne' released in 1965. Mr Choudhary recorded 'Tere Khayalo Mein Hum' sung by Asha Bhosale, 'Saanson Ke Taar Par' and 'Dhadakan Ki Taal Par' sung by Asha Bhosale and Mahendra Kapoor were all popular numbers of those days.

Thereafter, the singer of yesteryears says, he found himself out of the industry due to the machinations of some powerful music directors and renowned producers.

He, then, decided to produce his own film. With a partner, Charles, he started the film, 'Tyagi' under the banner, 'Panna pictures.' but after some time, the partner left him stranded. Choudhary lost about Rs 60,000 in the project and a whisper campaign started in the industry that as producer, Choudhary could not do justice to his films. He got no more films.

Choudhary has to his credit, playing Shehnai in 'Aag', 'Mughal- e-Aajam' and 'Navrang'. In 'Sehara', Sandoor exponent Pandit Shivkumar Sharma and in 'Geet Gaaya Pattharon Ne'- flute maestro Pandit Hariprasad Chourasiya worked under him. Laxmikant Pyarelal have worked with him as assistants in 'Maaya Macchinder'. Kalyanji Ananadji also worked with him in 'Naaglok' under his direction.

Many prominent singers like Lata, Asha, Usha Mangeshkar, Mohammad Rafi, Suman Kalyanpur, Kishori Amonkar, S P Balsubrahmaniam, K J Yesudas and Hemant Kumar have sung under his direction.

Choudhary, who stopped getting work five years ago, is now left to humming his own tune, 'Takdeer Ka Phasana Gaakar Kisse Sunaaen.' (UNI)



Edited by *dolly* - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Some of you tube links
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kdT04IsrfB4

http://youtube.com/watch?v=LbSWVvHDpms ( I love this song)..

Edited by *dolly* - 18 years ago
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Some of you tube links
this one is from the song I just pasted lyrics..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqN-6iL4EZY

I think the actress in background( as extra) is mumtaz...

Edited by *dolly* - 18 years ago
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These are from movie Navrang ..this is making nostalgic..remember DD days ...have seen this movie onn TV few times...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5fGd338xuE

and this one is from film "Geet Gaya Pattharon Ne"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZDLbW_FWNg

Edited by *dolly* - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: *dolly*

Musician of yesteryears faces his own music

http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/web1/03sep08/national.htm#6
When Ramlal Choudhary gave music to the Mohammed Rafi song 'Takdeer Ka Phasana Gaakar Kisse Sunaaen'(to whom should I tell my sorrowful fate) four decades ago, little did he know that the words would one day come back to haunt him in real life.

Today, at the age of 81, the former Bollywood music director, who composed such hits as 'Pankh Hoti To Udd Jaati Re Rasiya O Zaalima', does not know when he would be able to eat his next meal.

Poverty has even forced his 65-year-old British-born wife to find work.

"I am not asking for much. If the Government cannot provide me two meals a day, I request it to provide at least one meal," says a bitter Choudhary sitting in an old cot in a tiny room which is his house in Khetwadi area on the grant road.

Choudhary is angry that he is forgotten in the land to which he gave the best of his life. "They distribute awards every year and give financial help to artisans. Is my contribution to music any lesser than theirs or are they deaf that my music is not reaching their ears?" asks choudhary clad in a faded T-shirt and lungi.

He and his wife Rita lives on the Rs 700 he receives from the Maharashtra Government. Sometimes, royalty comes from overseas, but this happens only occassionaly and it is not sufficient to live comfortably. Rita was forced to work part-time in a charity organisation. But the amount she earns is meagre.

In his golden days, Chouhary used to smoke three packets of cigarettes. But, today, he has to think twice before even smoking a beedi. He lived in the posh Colaba in South Mumbai in his hey days.

Choudhary composed songs for superhit films like 'Sehara', 'Husnbaano','Geet Gaaya Pattharon Ne','Navarang','Nakaabposh' and 'Naaglok'.

He came to Mumbai in 1944 and got a job in Prithviraj Kapoor's Prithivi Theatre Group as an assistant to music director Ram Ganguly. With Ganguly, he played the flute in 'Dekh Chaand Ki Aor' Sung by Shamshaad Begam and Shailesh 'Jindaa Hoon is Tarah Ki Ghame Zindagi' sung by Mukesh 'Raat Ko Jo Chamake Taare' sung by Shamshaad Begam and Mukesh and 'Kaahe Koyaliyaa Shor Machaae Re', sung by Shamshaad Begam.

As a full-fledged music director, he first landed with producer P L Santoshi's Raj Kapoor-Vaijayantimala starrer 'Tangaawalla' in 1950. He recorded six songs for this film. Unfortunately, the movie was never released. In between, he played continued to play the flute and shehani in various films.

In 1952, he got a second chance as music director for the baal hardeep produced film, 'Husnbaano'.It was a hit film and established Choudhary as a music director.

'Yaa Nabeeb Salaam Lai Jaa' and 'Pyaar Karane Ka Ayaa Jamaana' became hit songs.

Then came producer-director V Shantaram's 'Sehara'.It was a superhit film. 'Pankh Hoti to Udd Jaati Re O Rasiya Jaalimaa' sung by none other than Lata Mangeshkar, 'Takdeer Ka Phasaana Jaakar Kise Sunaaen' sung by Mohammad Rafi, 'Tum To Pyaar Ho Sajana' rendered by Mohammad Rafi and Lata and other songs brought Choudhary international fame.

One more feather was added to his cap with V Shantaram's 'Geet Gaaya Pattharon Ne' released in 1965. Mr Choudhary recorded 'Tere Khayalo Mein Hum' sung by Asha Bhosale, 'Saanson Ke Taar Par' and 'Dhadakan Ki Taal Par' sung by Asha Bhosale and Mahendra Kapoor were all popular numbers of those days.

Thereafter, the singer of yesteryears says, he found himself out of the industry due to the machinations of some powerful music directors and renowned producers.

He, then, decided to produce his own film. With a partner, Charles, he started the film, 'Tyagi' under the banner, 'Panna pictures.' but after some time, the partner left him stranded. Choudhary lost about Rs 60,000 in the project and a whisper campaign started in the industry that as producer, Choudhary could not do justice to his films. He got no more films.

Choudhary has to his credit, playing Shehnai in 'Aag', 'Mughal- e-Aajam' and 'Navrang'. In 'Sehara', Sandoor exponent Pandit Shivkumar Sharma and in 'Geet Gaaya Pattharon Ne'- flute maestro Pandit Hariprasad Chourasiya worked under him. Laxmikant Pyarelal have worked with him as assistants in 'Maaya Macchinder'. Kalyanji Ananadji also worked with him in 'Naaglok' under his direction.

Many prominent singers like Lata, Asha, Usha Mangeshkar, Mohammad Rafi, Suman Kalyanpur, Kishori Amonkar, S P Balsubrahmaniam, K J Yesudas and Hemant Kumar have sung under his direction.

Choudhary, who stopped getting work five years ago, is now left to humming his own tune, 'Takdeer Ka Phasana Gaakar Kisse Sunaaen.' (UNI)



..Now this is something SRGMP should show on there show on the reality front.. not the stories of contestants (i.e. Poonam and Raja).. I think such realities should be shown to public so these past Muscial Legends can get noticed and atleast people can come forward to help them..

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Posted: 18 years ago
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I guess this article is dated 2003...so not very old..it will be a reality check to show these to todays generation singers/MDS...
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: *dolly*

I guess this article is dated 2003...so not very old..it will be a reality check to show these to todays generation singers/MDS...

I completely agree with you.. !!.. It may not stir up audience as much as Aditya's kiss.. but Zee will surely got some sort of more public viewing..!!!
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Posted: 18 years ago
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this is another one from "geet gaya pathronae"
http://www.dishant.com/jukebox.php?songid=39683
this is another one I like..
Edited by *dolly* - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: .:Aphrodite:.

how did this guy get poor all of a sudden?

..They mentioned how one his partners ditched him midway in a production and thus it led to loss of $60,000 to him.. this was the amount decades agoo ..!

Some people dont secure their assets properly at an early age..

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