Himani, Himesh croon together - Page 3

Originally posted by: mohinis

REKHA
LET ME tell u one thing, first u wite Himesh is a gay, then u write himani and Himesh should get married?
Whats the logic that if their name spelled similar and if Himesh ji give chance to Himani, they should got married. Then u say baout yellow cards, Debo never able to get green, because he was not so good singer, otherwise Himani, Vinit and Hema all get straight greens, from judges, shows they are better singers. Any ways I also don;t want to talk to u, even u are a female and u are disrespecting himani by saying bad about her, I hope u got ur answer , and if u will say Himesh is gay, then u are gay first .

You didnot answer my questions?

Himani got yellow once. So you mean to say she is a bad singer.

Ok let me ask you Sharib got yellow all the time. So does it make that he is a bad singer? Just answer to my question and then I will let you know whether you are right or I am right.

Just let me know about Sharib.

Then coming to Abhijeet! Is he a bad singer? He got yellow all the time and he was given red too so you mean to say that those who got yellow makes them bad singer.

Just tell me about Sharib adn Abhijeet and then I will let you know what to say about deboo.,

It was just because of your Himesh's bad politics that good singers like Sharib Rakhtima then above all Hema and Nihira got out. Got it? and we cannot forget this.

Moderators, I apologise to you for creating little war over here. I couldnot stop it.
I apologise to all other members here that this topic was turning into little war.So please donot get into bad mood. But at the same time I would request moderators not to close this topic because I donot want to dissappoint Monika Goel who has been continuosly doing good job by sending good posts and articles.

SO MY DEAR DARLING FRIENDS, LETS GET INTO THE MOOD AND BE FRIENDS OVER HERE.......😊

Originally posted by: mohinis

Rekha, Himesh did no politics , if Sharib , Raktima , Hema and Nihira were out, its nothing to do with Himesh. Any time, if any thing went wrong, u said Himesh is responsible for that. And if somebody got yellow that day, means they didn;t sing upto mark , that day, and in case of debo, I personally don;t like his voice quality, thats it.

Oh gosh this topic is not about "HIMESH HIMANI CROON" but Rekha-Mohini war......😉😆

What do you mean by Himesh didnot do politics?.....😕

Did we have two different saregamapa show in which Himesh did politics in one show but didnot do it in other.

Dont tell me that Himesh didnot do any cheap politics.

I had seen saregamapa in which Himesh created politics. But I didnot see the other one where he didnot do.....😆

Originally posted by: mohinis

Himesh did no politics, he was the best mentor , who respect every body , even they made wrong accuses on him, So if u still want to say , Himesh did politics , its your choice. Can u give one example which politics Himesh did to make Sharib, Raktima out?

Common sense,

Looks like you dont understand what is politics also.

Just go through overall show and you will understand

Much has been talked about this and I dont want to repeat.

If I start it then its a long story and you yourself will get bored.

So just leave it because there are better things to do.

No mohini,
You should understand by yourself.

Ok to give valid reason, what was the necessity to bring in topi, shawl, maa and all that hype etc and also criticise deboo a lot by bringing in regionalism. Isn't it not a politics done by him. And then before the agnipariksha round pretending that he was too good to praise others and that again Aaishwarya matter again and again. What was it? I can write lot of things but much has been discussed about this. so forget it. But i have given you one of the reasons if not all. Ok now please leave me alone.

Originally posted by: mohinis

Himesh did no politics, he was the best mentor , who respect every body , even they made wrong accuses on him, So if u still want to say , Himesh did politics , its your choice. Can u give one example which politics Himesh did to make Sharib, Raktima out? Himesh always praises his own student Vinit and never say wrong about any other student. Every guru has the right to praise his student and Himesh did it, and Vinit deserve to be praised, because he is a very good singer.

Mohinis - HR didn't played politics - he did Marketing - and did it well, nothing wrong with it. Kudos to him for that. Did you read my post loong ago :
The Other side of SRGMP: Game behind the Game

Extract from that post:

Where to start from? Let's start from Himesh-ji and Vinit (that's the only way for me to get some reader for this boring post). Now honestly – I am a big fan of Himesh ji in another perspective – as a great Marketing person (There is NO sarcasm here). The person who decides to produce TV serial to get into the music industry at the age of 18 – you must realize there is a great strategic and innovative thought process behind his every move. Look where is he right now. Ok – like many of you – I don't like his music and singing either – but we can't deny the way he moved forward within a very short span of time.

Enough of prelude – let's get into SRGMP. What HR ji did right to promote Vinit?

1. Identify the right product. To be honest – unfortunately, he didn't have much choice, I must say he had the weakest team overall. HR ji identified Vinit as the best singer from his gharana – that's a first step to success.
2. Find 'sticky' stories. To much talk about this already, but this time I am saying this with great appreciation of HR s marketing strategy. Vinit's love affair, His Sanskar, His Maa – ka – Payar – all are well articulated and well marketed sticky stories.
1. NB: To start with Vinit had to 'inbuilt' sticky stories with him. One his middleclass background and his age – both are great for associating the audience (target market / voter) with him.
3. Brand Signature: Vinit's Topi. No joke here- I am serious. Every person, even from the enemy-camp associate Vinit with his Topi. That's a brand signature of Vinit.
4. Consistent Messaging: Can you identify these terms – 'consistence performance', '8-9-10', well… I can go on – but I think you got the point. HR never changed the terminologies – classic marketing 101!

So what went wrong with Vinit/HR – why they lost in the final? Now Vinit supporters -you can always brag about the fact of "Assam's Votes" – but there is a particular reason of the immense support from the home-ground of Debu. Also he got enough vote from other parts of India too (not as much as Vinit) apart from East zone. Why that happened?

I can identify couple of reasons here.

1. When Zee started showing the regional voting pattern – Debu reached the 'Tipping Point'
2. HR, despite of his great knowledge of marketing, violated a golden rule of Marketing 101 – NEVR TALK BAD ABOUT THE COMPETETOR. By bragging about the 'Assam's Votes' – he actually helped Debu a lot. Adesh ji was his partner in crime in this. More he (as well as Vinit) bragged about this issue – 2 things went wrong – 1^st NE people got more angry (naturally it hurt their ego) and voted more for Debu, 2^nd people from other parts of India who thought it's unfair got pissed off too and voted for Debu.

Now for Debojit. I must say – for him it's a classic example of Marketing 2.0, where evangelists take the control instead of marketing strategies. His mentor, Ismail ji, is not a great strategist. But luck favored him a lot.

1. Two of the main points I mentioned before : gifts from HR to Debu!
2. He got 'filtered down' votes from Nihira and Hemu fans. That's my theory – got this impression from the this forum posts
3. His modest attitude grabbed lots of votes. Many people actually liked him as a person more than as a singer.
4. He also had some 'installed sticky stories' to start with
1. His middleclass background
2. His wife Bandana/ Their struggle at Mumbai
5. Now here comes the most interesting part – but this requires a little theoretical prelude. In his book 'The Tipping Point" Malcom Gladwell identified some required factors to reach the tipping point for an Idea / Person / Fashion statement / trend. Most important 2 things are –
1. Sticky 'Compelling' Stories
2. 3 types of people supporting the Person / Idea

i. Maven – who collect all the useful information / positive points about the person or idea

ii. Connectors – who have a tightly knit social network to spread the idea

iii. Sales person – no explanation required.

Now – if you look at Debu – he got all 3 in form of evangelists. Forget others – in this forum only many people volunteered for Debu as Maven/Connector/Salesperson. Why they did it? Not for any vested interest. Many were mesmerized by Debu's attitude, others were tired of Himesh ji's 'Overselling'. Whatever it is it worked.

Originally posted by: soulsoup

Mohinis - HR didn't played politics - he did Marketing - and did it well, nothing wrong with it. Kudos to him for that. Did you read my post loong ago :
The Other side of SRGMP: Game behind the Game

Extract from that post:

Where to start from? Let's start from Himesh-ji and Vinit (that's the only way for me to get some reader for this boring post). Now honestly – I am a big fan of Himesh ji in another perspective – as a great Marketing person (There is NO sarcasm here). The person who decides to produce TV serial to get into the music industry at the age of 18 – you must realize there is a great strategic and innovative thought process behind his every move. Look where is he right now. Ok – like many of you – I don't like his music and singing either – but we can't deny the way he moved forward within a very short span of time.

Enough of prelude – let's get into SRGMP. What HR ji did right to promote Vinit?

Identify the right product. To be honest – unfortunately, he didn't have much choice, I must say he had the weakest team overall. HR ji identified Vinit as the best singer from his gharana – that's a first step to success. Find 'sticky' stories. To much talk about this already, but this time I am saying this with great appreciation of HR s marketing strategy. Vinit's love affair, His Sanskar, His Maa – ka – Payar – all are well articulated and well marketed sticky stories.
1. NB: To start with Vinit had to 'inbuilt' sticky stories with him. One his middleclass background and his age – both are great for associating the audience (target market / voter) with him.
Brand Signature: Vinit's Topi. No joke here- I am serious. Every person, even from the enemy-camp associate Vinit with his Topi. That's a brand signature of Vinit.
1. Consistent Messaging: Can you identify these terms – 'consistence performance', '8-9-10', well… I can go on – but I think you got the point. HR never changed the terminologies – classic marketing 101!

So what went wrong with Vinit/HR – why they lost in the final? Now Vinit supporters -you can always brag about the fact of "Assam's Votes" – but there is a particular reason of the immense support from the home-ground of Debu. Also he got enough vote from other parts of India too (not as much as Vinit) apart from East zone. Why that happened?

I can identify couple of reasons here.

When Zee started showing the regional voting pattern – Debu reached the 'Tipping Point'
1. HR, despite of his great knowledge of marketing, violated a golden rule of Marketing 101 – NEVR TALK BAD ABOUT THE COMPETETOR. By bragging about the 'Assam's Votes' – he actually helped Debu a lot. Adesh ji was his partner in crime in this. More he (as well as Vinit) bragged about this issue – 2 things went wrong – 1^st NE people got more angry (naturally it hurt their ego) and voted more for Debu, 2^nd people from other parts of India who thought it's unfair got pissed off too and voted for Debu.

Now for Debojit. I must say – for him it's a classic example of Marketing 2.0, where evangelists take the control instead of marketing strategies. His mentor, Ismail ji, is not a great strategist. But luck favored him a lot.

Two of the main points I mentioned before : gifts from HR to Debu! He got 'filtered down' votes from Nihira and Hemu fans. That's my theory – got this impression from the this forum posts His modest attitude grabbed lots of votes. Many people actually liked him as a person more than as a singer. He also had some 'installed sticky stories' to start with
His middleclass background
1. His wife Bandana/ Their struggle at Mumbai
Now here comes the most interesting part – but this requires a little theoretical prelude. In his book 'The Tipping Point" Malcom Gladwell identified some required factors to reach the tipping point for an Idea / Person / Fashion statement / trend. Most important 2 things are –
1. Sticky 'Compelling' Stories
2. 3 types of people supporting the Person / Idea

<!--[if !supportLists]--> i. <!--[endif]-->Maven – who collect all the useful information / positive points about the person or idea

<!--[if !supportLists]--> ii. <!--[endif]-->Connectors – who have a tightly knit social network to spread the idea

<!--[if !supportLists]--> iii. <!--[endif]-->Sales person – no explanation required.

Now – if you look at Debu – he got all 3 in form of evangelists. Forget others – in this forum only many people volunteered for Debu as Maven/Connector/Salesperson. Why they did it? Not for any vested interest. Many were mesmerized by Debu's attitude, others were tired of Himesh ji's 'Overselling'. Whatever it is it worked.

Exactly, marketing

Absolutely right.

I agree with soul soup

Mohiniji abhi toh tassalli ho gayi?

Now you are alright na?

Now please let this go off and lets discuss about new things.

Well said soulsoup
I agree this.
You have explained this better and I think I read it somewhere my friend.
But everybody will not take it in a same way as you took it by saying marketing. Some people will take it as politics. Ok I agree upon you after reading your post once again that it was pure marketing and he did fantastic job of marketing.

Good assessment soulsoup

Par mein na Mohiniji ka thoda taang bhi khich rahi thi aur oose chida bhi rahi thi.... 😉
I was enjoying fighting with her..... 😉 😆

I had a very good time with Mohiniji by fighting with her.........😆

Ab toh tum jeet gai na mohiniji?

Now let this go off and discuss about future.

Originally posted by: mohinis

soulsoup
I didn;t agree with u that hr did any marketing, he only praise his student, He give topi and shawl to Vinit as blessing. Every mentor praise his student by saying him"original singing", somebody say "its my mom dream, like debo", so every mentor praise his student one way or other, this is their blessings, not marketing. I don;t agree with u in this point, Soulsoup ji, because according to me Hr is the best mentor and never say wrong to nay body, only priase Vinit, and it was totally fair to praise his student. In this point our ideas and thinking are different, but we are friends any ways, though our opinions are different.

Mohinis - I think you are taking the matter in wrong perspective.

There is nothing wrong with Marketing – and that's no way 'evil'. It is absolutely required for any fields today. I am an engineer but my profession is technical marketing.

If you notice – I said the fundamental of marketing is 'Identify the right product' - HR ji identified Vinit as the best singer from his gharana – that's a first step to success.

Originally posted by: mohinis

Rekha , only our opinions are different, but we are friends always..Right Soulsoup bhaiya

Totally Mohinis 😊
When you agree to disagree - then nothing can go wrong.