Don't blame HR, he is forced to do this.. - Page 5

Originally posted by: friend17

I will try to comment on the mentioned points (even though it was directed towards me 😊) as best as I can:

Agreed - I supported HR back then since he was always at the receiving end of AS and JL rule criticisms. Here you have to clarify the word "popularity". Do you mean that he was popular (more that JL) with the present generation as a music director or as a mentor in SRGMP 2005? If you mean the former, then it becomes an open-ended issue and can be argued against. As for the latter, HR was not the only one who was popular candidate for the bhramastra. With the exception of JL who were always at he bottom of the list, all the 3 mentors held the 1^st , 2^nd or 3^rd position at one time or other. I remember ID was in 1^st position for quite sometime and then slipped to 2^nd and 3^rd. HR and AS were switching back and forth between 2^nd and 3^rd positions for quite sometime (correct me if I am wrong). Agreed Somewhat agree and also disagree – Vinit is not a bad singer but I don't find him that great of a singer either. So I am not sure whether HR really believes in Vinit or is he trying to save his ego in the competition (nothing wrong, I guess all mentors are victim of ego to some degree) Couldn't disagree more – Ujjaini didn't start harping about JL the moment she stepped into HR's gharana. On the contrary, HR hardly praised Ujjaini (other than repeating endlessly the same one or two line comment on the 'Black' performance) She made some comments (and rightfully so) after her ouster (you can correct me if I am wrong here). HR's partiality towards Vinit over Ujjaini and Paresh was too obvious to ignore and I am happy that Ujjaini had the guts to say what she said after she was voted out.
1. This is again debatable. As far as my opinion goes, Paresh didn't really improve one after another in agnipariksha. He gave a couple of pretty good performances but overall his performances weren't anything different from what it was before. Also, we don't know upto what extent HR was involved with Paresh. For example, AS caught HR red-handed in tampering with Vinit's tracks. This at least proves that HR was (and I think still is) quite involved with Vinit's performance. However, there is no solid proof of how much he was involved with either Paresh or Ujjaini's performance. So it's possible that Paresh's improvement had its roots in ID's training rather that HR's

About your bottom-line comment: True, people in the forum hurled a lot of insults (a lot of them quite vulgar) at HR. But going by HR's on stage behavior, he hardly does anything to improve his image. Yes, he can be forgiven, but knowing that HR will do thesame thing (maybe something worse) in the next episode (since he never stops his antics), it's difficult to forgive him every time. After all, patience has a limit.

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This was my opinion only and naturally you don't have to agree with it.

oops, my point 5 was actually for your point 6 and my point 6 was for point 7.

I will comment on your point 5 now:

Topi, pyar, ... can be taken as a light humor only for a couple of episodes. But HR seemed to be obsessed with topi so much that at some point it was really annoying. He even argued (maybe as a joke, who knows) with debo (in the amrita rao - shahid kapoor) that he should perform without his topi. at this point it was plain absurd.

Originally posted by: ritzyn

HR has a good taste of music and is a successful
music composer and singer. Hehas beenthe most decent of all mentors
since begenning.He was unbaised and had equal praise for all till he was
left with just Vinit. Still he was modest and praised all based on merit.
Even in brhamastra he gave chance to singers from other gharanas.

When he found that his decency was taken as his weakness, he
changed gears and became aggressive. WithDebo winning continuously
on regional votes and killingchances of many good singers, HR started
todo marketting for Vinit. Though he becomes various obvious while
praising forVinit and introduced "love", and other gimmicks, he still isa
good mentor. To fight against regional forces I am with him for whatever
heis doing elsewe wouldlose a real fighter Vinit/HR team.

You know, I used to feel that way for the most part but let me answer
your points.

Firstly: he lost all his female singers - -Joyeeta had potential but
somehow he could not get her to execute. The judges in fact laid the
blame of one of Joyeeta's performances on HR for not teaching her
properly. So while he may have been an affable guy to his students
(unlike ID), he was unable to train them properly.

As for his taste in music, I don't know him well enough personally to
make such a judgement. As for his own music as an MD, Tere Naam was
great, ABA was inspired, and Just Chill was insipid.

As for his modesty - -he should be modest, he is much younger than the
other MD's.

As for Debo's so called regionalism, that argument is made simply
because Debo is from a non-Hindi state. There is a perspective that
people like Debo and Chandu are not given the same chance as a Vinit or
a Himani. So people from those states want to support their candidate. I
think that most people would agree that chandu and nihira were better
singers than these two finalists but did not get national support -- had
their respective regions come behind these singers, we would not have
lost them.

As for the brahamstra round- -he did not have any good female
candidates -- instead of Joyeeta, he could have gone with Keka. Instead
of Dilshad or Paresh, he could have tried Abhijeet, Vishwas, Irfan....
But even worse was the way he treated ujjaini and paresh -- ignoring
them and hyping Vinit -- that alone qualifies him as worst mentor of
year.

Also friend17 did a godo job addressing JEM's points.

Need I say more?

Originally posted by: mdroy

You know, I used to feel that way for the most part but let me answer
your points.

Firstly: he lost all his female singers - -Joyeeta had potential but
somehow he could not get her to execute. The judges in fact laid the
blame of one of Joyeeta's performances on HR for not teaching her
properly. So while he may have been an affable guy to his students
(unlike ID), he was unable to train them properly.

As for his taste in music, I don't know him well enough personally to
make such a judgement. As for his own music as an MD, Tere Naam was
great, ABA was inspired, and Just Chill was insipid.

As for his modesty - -he should be modest, he is much younger than the
other MD's.

As for Debo's so called regionalism, that argument is made simply
because Debo is from a non-Hindi state. There is a perspective that
people like Debo and Chandu are not given the same chance as a Vinit or
a Himani. So people from those states want to support their candidate. I
think that most people would agree that chandu and nihira were better
singers than these two finalists but did not get national support -- had
their respective regions come behind these singers, we would not have
lost them.

As for the brahamstra round- -he did not have any good female
candidates -- instead of Joyeeta, he could have gone with Keka. Instead
of Dilshad or Paresh, he could have tried Abhijeet, Vishwas, Irfan....
But even worse was the way he treated ujjaini and paresh -- ignoring
them and hyping Vinit -- that alone qualifies him as worst mentor of
year.

Also friend17 did a godo job addressing JEM's points.

Need I say more?

Thanks 😊

Originally posted by: Shantibai

lol😉

Have you tried it in Bengali?

How dare you? Is that your way of suggesting that only a Bengali could
be a Debo fan or that Bengalis don't understand English.

Watch your mouth/keyboard. I am a Bengali and I support quality singing.
I supported Sharib, Hemachandra, Nihira, over Raktima, Ujjaini, and Debo
(though these are also good singers). I simply do not think that Vinit's
voice has matured enough to be a good singer so I don't think that he
should be the voice of India. JEM is right in that I don't think that Vinit
should be the voice of India and no one can change my mind. Short of
Paresh or Rajeev, I would rather see someone else win. But i have backed
up my point of view with solid technical arguments (in other postings)

I am so sick of people assuming that it is about Bengalis or Assamese or
NE people. Debo has overcome significant prejudice by the rest of India
and gotten votes from all over. Almost 10 lakhs from the so called
neutral West zone.

MODS - -please address these types of comments about NE and Bengalis.

Jem4SRK

I pity on people like you who write such irresponsible things inviting furthur negative discussion.
Grow up.............!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by: adwarakanath

😆

No really....where did you go to school?

LOL 😆

Jem4SRK - you've got issues babe - get yourself (or at least your ears) checked out!

Originally posted by: SUDP

HR is sick. no expressions at all on his face even when the celebrities praise him. only smiles like a donkey when vinit sings.

I'll go with Abhi & this one!😆

Jem…
Its is commendable that you can adore person like Himesh inspite of the way he has been acting lately. I think he lost his sensibility the day Aishwarya went out. After that he has been arrogant & rude to everybody around. His music might be hit, but that does not allow him to be disrespectful & because he is youngest he should not be acting that way anyway.
I think Vinit has potential, but I believe Himesh is a very bad influence on his young mind & voice. If Vinit wins, Himesh would become even more arrogant & shameful in his behavior. He is one of the main persons to have ruined SRGMP, & I hope Debo wins & he is shown his place…even though I feel bad for Vinit.

Originally posted by: N Sinha

Jem4SRK

I pity on people like you who write such irresponsible things inviting furthur negative discussion.
Grow up.............!!!!!!!!

Why cant Jems4SRK have a choice of MD/singer? he/she can voice their own opinion? The reasoning that has been put forward, forget the Final 12 and all of this makes sense

Brahmastra was supposed to be a weapon to destroy all enemies, unfortunately HR thought his good side was his enemy, so chala diya