THis is india's voice, NOT Regional voice - Page 10

sanbel-G, as soon as we open our eyes n see the singer on TV, we r no longer voting 4 "pure" singing talent. its basic human psychology. when u listen to a speech, next day the only thing 60% of people remember is the body language, not the content. i think it is ridiculous to expect anyone, whether its a judge or the public, to not be influenced by all the other factors. if what u r after is pure talent in terms of playback singing, then u shld really use only ur ears n not even watch the person perform. EVEN A JUDGE WILL GET INFLUENCED IF HE WATCHES THE PERFORMER! And btw, "pure" talent is also hard to define. what looks like talent to u may be junk to me.

so bottom line, vote karo zee-bhar ke! as soon as u select people based on stage or other performance, u r getting away from pure singing talent, whatever that is!

Originally posted by: sanbel

Opinions are welcome. I have nothing personally against Debo or Vinit.

I agree that they are doing it within rules. And Debo might be your preference. No problem.

What I am against or I have argument is this is all "Regional Based" voting. If you go and read my other posts you will understand what I am trying to say.

Also I don't like cheap tactics of Debo or HR or Vinit about "Maaa Ka Sapnaa", "Meraaa Pyaa Ke Liyee" asking votes.

I have never heard Debojit saying "Vote for me if you like my singing talent".

Again Mr chatbuster I am not saying that what Debo should say and what shouldn't not.

My point is one should not use this cheap emotional tactics to get votes but asked vote on talent basis.

Is that too much too ask ?

almost every contestant (even before agnipariksha) has been guilty at one point or other of using emotional tactics and given the heat of the competition, maybe it can be overlooked sometime (of course not all the time 😉 ).

other than that, your opinion is well taken 😊

Originally posted by: SRGMP FAN

Sanbel, I agree that Debu is getting max votes from his region. May be 80% of NErns r voting for him. This is one part. The other part is that we need to see he is also pulling more votes than other contestants from the rest of India(except Haryana, UP and Southern States and very rightly so bcoz of the homeground advantage others might have). If votes from 7 states are NOT taken into consideration for Debu, it will be justified and fair if Votes from UP, MP, Delhi, Haryana, Punjab, Bihar and Punjab are NOT counted for Vinit and votes from AP, Karnataka,TN, Kerala and 3 more states are NOT counted for Hemu.
THEN THATS THE APPLE TO APPLE COMPARISION, right?
😆

My friend , rise above the territories region and try to be rational.

I am not saying you should not vote for Debu but at least don't act you being rational.

My friend I am not saying to take away any state voting. Please read my other posts.

Other contestants are getting 8%-10% other than there home states or home ground.

While Debu is getting 80% form home ground. And also he got from Mumbai, Delhi about 2% each.

Tell me honestly how much NE people have voted for other contestants.

For ex take Nihira, she is such brilliant singer(watch from episode one) even all senior musicians have said that.

So I ask why wouldn't Nihira get 1% from NE.

Are you telling me this is fair.

Chatbuster you arguing with me on this , what would have happen if Nihira was from NE and would have been voted OUT, you could have gone on RIOTS.

This discussion is about the voting system. I feel this Voting system is wrong. Lessons learnt.

My point is NE people are there just to out VOTE DEBO BLINDLY irrespective of the performance.

Dear Sanbel - If you were saying - singing competitions should not be
judged by public voting - what you say *might* make sense.

But yr whole approach of selecting out only *one* segment of voters and
one candidate doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

BTW, *everyone* has the right to vote multiple times for the same
candidate on this show. The playing field is level. Debo has no more
advantage than anyone else on that score. If Nihira fans like u had been
motivated enough to sit down and redial away like crazy, u would have
nothing to complain about. (Same goes for you Ms. gurly grrrl. If VnIT is
da Besstt, u shoulda voted for him like crrrazy, insteada complaining
now).


In fact, I suspect the voters from Bombay and Delhi probably have more
discretionary income to blow on repeat smsing, better access to phones
and phone lines than ppl up in the NE. Given all these disadvantages
Debo has, if he is able to attract such faithful fans as his, then more
power to him.

The minute you put a decision about singing talent in the hands of the
general public, it automatically becomes, to some extent, a popularity
contest. Some degree of voting without attention to the quality of the
singing will be par for the course.

And, although I have found myself disagreeing with the public vote on
occassions in this competition the fact is that *even when they had
judges*, I would find myself disagreeing with their verdict at times.
Judges can have biases too, after all. I mean Alka Yagnik red-carded
singers coz they didn't keep their eyes closed while singing fer
chrissakes!

In the end, there is no way to guarantee an absolutely fair result for the
simple reason that life isn't always fair. We'll never know how many
prodigies were turned away at the audition stage itself!

Given the above, your braying and whining about Debo and the NE just
sounds kinda silly... not to mention discriminatory, arrogant and
downright obnoxious.

thanks.

very well put sangeeta. u might look at the line i had above: EVEN A JUDGE WILL GET INFLUENCED IF HE WATCHES THE PERFORMER.

of course u've expressed it better 😃

Originally posted by: chatbuster

very well put sangeeta. u might look at the line i
had
above: EVEN A JUDGE WILL GET INFLUENCED IF HE WATCHES THE
PERFORMER.

of course u've expressed it better 😃

Actually I was TYPing away so much, i saw ur posts only much later after
my
post 😃

BTW, when it comes to the emotional blackmailing - - if you really think
about it, the producers of this show have purposely brought that info in -
the contestants haven't brought it in on their own - they've been *asked*
(by Shaan) or there have been film clips on their real lives with that info.
And then of course they start playing the violin in the background and
really ham it up for us. It's part of this new formula they seem to be trying
this season (that I wish they would just drop forever after this).

Of course *one* particular mental -- I mean mentor 😉 - took it to
sickening heights ... but that's what they get for starting down that
slippery slope,

Originally posted by: sangeetaa

Dear Sanbel - If you were saying - singing competitions should not be
judged by public voting - what you say *might* make sense.

But yr whole approach of selecting out only *one* segment of voters and
one candidate doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

BTW, *everyone* has the right to vote multiple times for the same
candidate on this show. The playing field is level. Debo has no more
advantage than anyone else on that score. If Nihira fans like u had been
motivated enough to sit down and redial away like crazy, u would have
nothing to complain about. (Same goes for you Ms. gurly grrrl. If VnIT is
da Besstt, u shoulda voted for him like crrrazy, insteada complaining
now).


In fact, I suspect the voters from Bombay and Delhi probably have more
discretionary income to blow on repeat smsing, better access to phones
and phone lines than ppl up in the NE. Given all these disadvantages
Debo has, if he is able to attract such faithful fans as his, then more
power to him.

The minute you put a decision about singing talent in the hands of the
general public, it automatically becomes, to some extent, a popularity
contest. Some degree of voting without attention to the quality of the
singing will be par for the course.

And, although I have found myself disagreeing with the public vote on
occassions in this competition the fact is that *even when they had
judges*, I would find myself disagreeing with their verdict at times.
Judges can have biases too, after all. I mean Alka Yagnik red-carded
singers coz they didn't keep their eyes closed while singing fer
chrissakes!

In the end, there is no way to guarantee an absolutely fair result for the
simple reason that life isn't always fair. We'll never know how many
prodigies were turned away at the audition stage itself!

Given the above, your braying and whining about Debo and the NE just
sounds kinda silly... not to mention discriminatory, arrogant and
downright obnoxious.

thanks.

What about cheap emotiona; sentiment tactics used.

Vote for me because "Mere Maa ka Sapnaa" , Mereee Pyaaa ke Vaaste.

Don't you think this is stupid, childish, cheap .Why can't you agree on that. Or Why are you being SHY to say that?

Or You don't think this is happening at all.

See I am not trying to offend NE people. If it had been other state or even my Home state , I would said What is Wrong is Wrong. No emotional attachment.

You very well nicely dodged the real issue. When a person knows that there is other person who is more talented and doesn't vote but just vote that person based on he belongs to that region is termed as "Regionalised Biased Voting"

Why cant you voice out the wrong going on or you don't see wrong at all.

The point is we people should voice if something is going wrong. I am not saying NE people are bad or Debo is bad. I wouldn't make such blanket statement. Personally he might be very good , gem of the person.

But Nihira was not bad either to get a not even 1% vote from NE.

Originally posted by: sangeetaa

Actually I was TYPing away so much, i saw ur posts only much later after
my
post 😃

BTW, when it comes to the emotional blackmailing - - if you really think
about it, the producers of this show have purposely brought that info in -
the contestants haven't brought it in on their own - they've been *asked*
(by Shaan) or there have been film clips on their real lives with that info.
And then of course they start playing the violin in the background and
really ham it up for us. It's part of this new formula they seem to be trying
this season (that I wish they would just drop forever after this).

Of course *one* particular mental -- I mean mentor 😉 - took it to
sickening heights ... but that's what they get for starting down that
slippery slope,

I don't remember any time Nihira saying Vote for my MAAA KAAA SAPNAA.

That tells all.

yup. i also feel that wonderful as folks think shaan has been, he screwed up when he started announcing the demographic breakup of votes. i think they were wanting to sensationalize things but it got out of hand. they really need a lot of sensitivity-training 😉

Originally posted by: sanbel

DEBOJIT IS NOT WORTH IN COMING EVEN INTOP 10 , PERIOD.

Also even Debojit has told on show that there are people who are doing
SMS of Rs 2000. What does that means. It means One single person is
trying to vote as many times for Debojit. Isn't this BIASED, REGIONALISED.
Have they voted even once for Nihira. I didn't hear from Shaan that Nihira
received any % from NE. Can you explain why ? Wasn't Nihira. I am not
biased to her, I have heard her and I think she was the best. She will
definately have bright future ahead. But what happened because of
Regionalised voting is one talented person got thrown out. The system
itself is WRONG. Which is what we are against of anyone who does that. I
don't like HR's strategy of Vinit either. It's so cheap. this is singing
competiton best on talent. Debojit should not get votes from emotional
or he is from NE and considering person from NE region has never
reached at such stage. Does that take away the abilities and talent of
other person. Be reasonable rise above territories, go beyond religion,
countries. Think as Rational i.e human. Throw away this "Regional Biased"
cap you are wearing and then appreciate people who are talented. See
how much better you will feel and how beautiful the world will be.

the "Regionalized Biased Voting" has stretched so much, that we are
loosing talented people. Debo is good singer but I don't think he even
deserved in top 10. That's my opinion I may be wrong. I think the lady
meant being "This is India's Voce because" the other person said this is
"Assam's Voice". She meant that the show is of whole India not only of
Assam. Off course there can be many interpretations and she only knows
what she said and we people can SPIN her statement as we want. But
again this is not the point we want to concentrate.

If we don't voice (crying as you termed it) the system will not improve.
Through this discussions we know what other people think, we get an
idea. I have not heard/read single person here that Nihira was bad. I also
think Himani is better then Debo. Vinit, he sings well. But I don't like HR's
sentimental begging. I am not against of Debo or anybody, I just like to
see talented people getting success. If talented people are not selected
and other people get selected based on Regionalism and Emotional basis,
it will not put a good precedent. What will happen is in the next challenge
the contestants will use those biased things to win. Thus they will not
concentrate on talent or talented people would not participate, as they
know they can't win. So look how the system is going to form. That's why
we have to raise the voice. It's better to be Late then never Right? I am not
saying you are stupid, I will never say like that, I can understand what you
are saying.

I think its completely wrong about HEMA asking vote on MAAA KA
SAPNAA and his relatives spending lakhs onSMS. Nihira ,Hemani & Sharib
should have been in the finals. And you are right about Paresh too. I liked
him, I appreciate what tremendous efforts he has taken. We want these
kind of people in the competition and not CRY BABIES.

I don't like this "Reservation" system at all. In professional life
everything should based on Talent , Honesty and hard work.Sentiments or
Emotional factors should not be considered.

Paresh is a nice guy but he should have been out before Sharib, Twinkle
and Ujjaini. Where was the concern for quality then? Let me again
remind you about Rajiv - -the cook with the look.

SRGM started this emotional nonsense with all of their backstories and HR
is the biggest culprit of them all so at this end stage I think it is too late
to complain.

I think Debo is a very good singer but inconsistent. I think Vineet is
overrated and I think that Sharib is a better singer and no doubt hema is a
better signer regardless of his recent performances.[

There is no way Vineet could do Hai Rama like Hema and I don't know
why the public does not see that.

Next week's round could expose him but since the show is rigged, I doubt
it.