The hands you take and the hands you leave Part 63-Updated page 149 - Page 65

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

Now coming to mother. Mother is anyone who nurtures you, who directs you. Most importantly gives times to you. Not only defends you, but teaches you to defend yourself. Makes you take the most bitter medicine if that is needed for your cure. Cries when she sees you crying as the doctor gives you injection, but still bear with it because that injection is needed for your protection. You have to undergo that pain and its side effects maybe like fever so that you dont get diptheria, measels, whooping cough, tetanus etc. Keeping you above herself always doesnt mean she is sweet to you, sometimes she will be bitter to you for your own welfare. Sometimes her anger is also her love, which you might understand after she is no more in your life.


I completely agree with this post. But see to be the one that administers bitter medicine especially there must be trust. Extreme trust that you will not harm that person.

I have a little dog that I took for training classes. One of the things that they emphasize is trust between you and the dog. It is positive reinforcement done by giving treats when the dog obeys. Dogs love to run free by instinct but my dog was taught to listen to the sound of my voice and stop and come back when I call it. They do not like leashes, they love to explore freely. But we had enough exercises with the leash that it taught my dog that for it to safely explore and go out, it must trust me enough to accept that leash . My dog gets excited when it sees the leash. It comes willingly to me to put the leash on it because it knows through experience that we will go out. It means not being cooped up in an apartment. It means walking with a leash for a while , then a trip in the car to the dog park where it can run leash free. It trusts me enough that I know when to leash it or let it go free. If I scolded it, threatened it and did not give it any positive attention, it will growl at me and I would not have that dog. Now I am the person it trusts most in its life. It will accept medicines from my hand, will let me hold it when it gets injected. It is because of trust.

How can Anami trust Satrupa when she has been given away, lied to, threatened the Pandits with jail, now lied about Ladoo and put him in harms way. Panditayen can give Anami poison and she will take it. You have to have trust between two beings, even a dog and owner to have any sort of relationship. How can Satrupa achieve anything she wants with what she has done to Anami. Who will trust her ? How will Satrupa be any form of mother figure when there is no trust between her and Anami. Dadi is more of a mother figure to Anami because she bonded with her. Satrupa is not a mother in any sense of the word to Anami. Protector but also user.
Edited by Mangothyme - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
The Lotus is an amazing flower.it thrives only when there is mud. If there is no mud, there is no lotus. The Lotus stays afloat raising itself above the water. The petals are multilayered and concentric. The goodness in an individual surfaces in the way one rises when faced with adversity. When one is able to empathise with others without involvement.
It was interesting to see Satrupa bite into the Ladoo that was offered.
To see the manipulation of others is an art. Anami is selective in it . While she sees it in others she is blind when it comes to Sudha. This selective process is the choice one makes.
When fed with stories the mind uses the selection filter. Ladoo listens to Pujan but does not believe in the monster he describes. He responds quite bravely.
He does not stay away from Satrupa believing his sister. He has already taken Satrupas hand. Inhis mind she is a pari. it isnot the words but the actions and the intent behind the actions that matter.
Children have their own logic and rules and structures. It governs their action and their heart.
Th tone and tenor of Anami is annoying, that'd Ladoo is amusing. Hebrings innocence and reasoning into LM it has been the past and blind faith that has been operating thus far. Ladoo is watchful and perceptive.
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Posted: 7 years ago
@mangothyme Lotus can be Ladoo and only in Lotus Mahalakshmi sits as she doesnt like dirt. Only the eyes of Ladoo can see the truth and he will show that truth to his sister, which she will have to show to the world. Coming to trust, yes I have no issues she doesnt trust Satrupa, but if she trusts Dadi to some extend, if she trusts Adhi to some extend both these people have given her thoughts to ponder on Sudha, which she is refusing to do. Anami has to listen. She will have to. If she doesnt and thinks she can get away with anything the harm will big. It is not just true for Anami, it is true for anyone with balloon size ego. You never realize what you will lose. Satrupa also will lose her ego as she wont be able to control the flow of events and that is why I feel she will be in grave danger death or near death situation. Coming to Baldev, he is the mess creator. There is no running away from it and he has to own up certain things and the day he owns up LM will be a better place. Narotham's plight is because of him. Satruap's anguish and Sudha's revenge is because of him. The mess is directly connected to him and he goes about blaming others.
@vidya Anami has a big balloon like ego. Children make their own deductions. We need to see how this track will play out.
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Posted: 7 years ago
Nice take on lotus guys👏

anami went over board with that😆 I think they're drumming up the big betrayal she'll feel when Sudha's mask falls.

Recently caught up with some old epis, one where VAtsyalya ran away. Poor Satrupa, she has tough time with her kids.She wanted to hold on to Vats & protect him after the Benaras attack, she forbade him to go to college and with Anami she has to manipulate her to go to college.One ran away to his death listening to Pujan and other invited danger to home swayed by Narrotam&sudha.
She was a fabulous Mom to Vats, waking him up with their favorite song &juice and applying vicks vapo rub(possibly) as he slept.

The Pandithyan is an idealist, in ideal world it's either right or wrong and you can choose.Satrupa is someone who has lived in a grey world and she's a pragmatic realist. I'm with her in whatever means she chooses to fight for her children.

IMO, It's Anami's loss that she can't see this woman for what she is and learn from her.
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Posted: 7 years ago
@simran Pandhitayan is a woman who has had a good life. She has not been tested much or she never had to make those tough choices. For such people world is always black and white. Unfortunately the world is not black and white. It is always grey and that's why I can connnect with Satrupa. Sometimes it is really difficult to keep your soul intact in an environment like LM. And yes Lotus. I was like wow Anami so much trust in yourself and your beliefs to tell Sudha is Lotus. The fall is going to be huge. She will remember each word most importantly Adhiraj who had given a clear warning to her regarding Sudha.
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A bit on lotus again...A buddhist teacher Thich Nath Hanh has written a lovely book titled NO MUD NO LOTUS. The book helps us see good and bad, joy and sorrow as two sides of the same coin. We experience pain to understand and appreciate a painless state. I agree with Shruthi that Pandithain has not had to endure the pain and suffering of Satrupa. It is so easy for Anami and others to label Satrupa as being unfit to be called a mother. The maternal instinct and compassion is there in some measure in all. does one care enough to hurt hoping for the well being of many is the question here.
The pain Satrupa has endured has helped her understand the pain of others. She has not said anything despite Baldev's taunts that Anami and Satrupa are the reason for their suffering. She has not told Gayathri or Vikram they brought her into a loveless marriage. Everytime Anami calls her Matlabi she just bears it numbly.

We understand that spouses stand by our decisions. How come Madhoo sent Ladoo without consulting Murari Pathak? to embrace someone elses child as your own is wonderful but being shunned and watching from a distance your child embrace your bete noire as an angel when your heart knows otherwise requires a large heart. Getting your husband's Ex and living with his love child after losing 3 of your children raises Satrupa in my eyes. We are judging the Satrupa we see for her actions. When we see the Satrupa she has become because of her life's experiences will be the true revelation.
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Posted: 7 years ago
vidya mud shows the beauty of lotus. Sita, is Sita not because she stayed as the queen of the palace, she is the embodiment of purity because the dirt of Lanka couldnt touch her even after being kept in captivity for 11 months.
There is no Ram without Ravan. Only when you withstand the rough winds and the hot sun and still bloom only then your strength of character comes out.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Poison can be taken out only using poison. Leela hi Maya ka thod hai. Sudha has created a perception of herself in front of Anami. She has tapped on Anami's Achilles heel. She is trying to be like Pangli Pandithayan to win Anami's trust. This is where you should differentiate Sudha and Satrupa. Satrupa has never tried to sell her identity to win over Anami. She is what she is. She is not Pagli Pandithayan, she is Satrupa. Satrupa with all the good and bad about her. Now Satrupa has created a counter perception using Ladoo and Ladoo is affected. Satrupa tells Sudha is trying to take Pagli Pandhitayan place and Ladoo sees Sudha giving dahi sakkar as well as massaging Anami's hair. Anami after coming from college didnt go to meet Ladoo. She is with Sudha. See Anami might not have done it intentionally, but the scene and what Satrupa has told has made Ladoo perceive it as Anami going away from him. He is very much affected. When you are afraid Anami wont be there to hold your hand says Satrupa. Somewhere I feel it is going to be truth and a lie. Sometimes when Ladoo needs Anami the most she might not be there and Satrupa will be there, but later Anami will come on. Anami mostly is going to get the taste of her own medicine. The way she tells matlabi mataji to each and every action of Satrupa whether intended, unintended good or bad as bad, Ladoo will categorize each of her action intended, unintended as trying to give Sudha the place of Pagli Pandhithayan.I would say a good illusion creation by Satrupa. She has hit where it matters. But the battle is very long and not easy.

Coming to Adhiraj and Bheema. Bheema has challenged if Adhi can take him to court he will spill the beans. Adhi has a challenge. Either Bhima will escape on the way or he will be killed. This is where Dheeru tells him not to be a Ram but be a Krishna. Ideally as a CBI officer Adhiraj can not record his arrest and if he wants can torture him. It happens. That is the only way to deal with characters like Bheema. If you show empathy to them well you will again end up with empty hand. Adhiraj has shared the arrest of Bheema with Anami. Bheema is going to be taken to court. Something major is going to happen. It has started with Anami giving those file to Adhiraj. We need to see what this arrest of Bheema leads to, what is the turning point, just like in first case was Dheeru taking 50% shares. Also did you see Anami and Adhiraj didnt order any of those special tea, but Anami's benarasi adrak tea. Somewhere it gives a feel that whatever changes their relation will be grounded. Also Anami and Adhiraj were sitting side by side, while Tanya and Avdhoot were face to face. A&A are really comfortable with each other, while Tanya and Avdhoot is power game. Precap looks intriguing.
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Posted: 7 years ago
I liked how satrupa was her own brisk self with Laddo & didn't shower fake love like Sudha, she manipulated him yes.but in her own way, she nudged him to see the truth.
She didn't create an illusion like Sudha.

Laddoo climbing the stairs while Sudha was talking abt bali seems ominous.With the untying of the duppata Anami has left his hand, he's in Satrupa's hand in which Madhu gave him away.👏

I just hope Anami doesn't drop Bhima's name in Pujan's ear-shot screw thins for Adhi.

I think Bhima might escape & ANami will help Adhi to nab him, probably with some help from Laddo who might spoil Pujan's plan.
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Posted: 7 years ago
Yes Simran Ladoo is in Satrupa's hand.

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