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Posted: 11 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: AnotherAdmirer

An attempt to understand the characters would be better than charging writers with accusations.

Rudra was her protector and the moment his duty got over, he started pulling back.

As Laila had clearly told him, don't fool me. You feel for her. He doesn't want to believe the same. He just wants to get rid of Paro.

As for the ten lakhs bit. Greed. RangRasiya has focused on some of the biggest issues in rural areas. Some of the darkest aspects of society.
Remember the snake selecting whose gonna be the bride ? Ignorance.

One of the major issue is a woman's right, her dignity. Isn't every women in RangRasiya plagued by accusations, not cared for, about her dignity, respect or honour. Even Chachiji a character so fierce gets disrespected by her own son. Doesn't Sumer come across as cheapster when he takes the bid, isn't it translated as this is not a shop where you buy and sell vegetables? I don't feel the show is glamorizing it or promoting the same in any aspect.

If anything the show glamorizes then it's alcohol, an aspect of the show I hate.

Secondly Paro's character. Is Public proposal a matter of shame and humiliation? She is confident and it is with that confidence that she is going to listen to her heart.
TOtally agree to you.👏it isnt a problem as we clearly know from some interviews that paro's character will have many shades,we have already seen a shade and this is one of them.
The pace of the show is good. It is not a drag, and when Paro acts immediately after seeing the doll, shedding off all her inhibitions, as her heart screams. He is the one for you. One can hardly blame her. And as for the writers bit, the fact that it happened so quick, that they are not stalling it, means they have clear thought and vision.
I agree with you,the pace was slow sometime back but now it is perfectly fine.
I agree Characters do get ruined in a tv show.

As for now I think RR is doing well, and is finding it's foothold for some promising future tracks that are goin to play out.

I agree with this one more,a agree that rangrasiya is heading for some promising future tracks that will be beneficial to show.😳

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Posted: 11 years ago
#52

Originally posted by: _SONA_

@dd .. Thanks for much needed word dowry... But he didn't give those money under the ritual of dowry... He was like take this money.. And take away this girl from me.. But i really overwhelmed to see the way you described it.. Tried to show me your thoughts.. Nither people are busy to mocking me only.. Well i am hurted but not angry on them at all.. I guess they are not taking this post as fun.. Sigh i hope they will take it as a fun post..



Sona sometimes when you write it does not come out the way it should. One has to be careful considering others feelings too.

See people who are on a particular forum they are there for the love of the show.

Also he said marry her first. He did not just say take the money and leave. Hence see it in the context of dowry. Sumer hence told his mother can you get me any girl who can give you 13 lacs? He knows his worth.

Secondly Paro and Rudra are leads and not the antagonists. They can't be wrong can they now? Hero aur heroine hai.



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Posted: 11 years ago
#53

Originally posted by: ddFan2012

Sona...don't know how to explain. I am making a tiny effort...hope this will help you see things the way they are...

Firstly why is the word dowry not used by anyone for the money offered to Sumer? Its fictional so we can be a lot more creative isnt it😃

Now Paro proposing. How many movies and shows have we seen where the hero proposes publicly? At airports, from the rooftops of buildings, on streets? Is that all wrong creatively? So when a girl does it, why is it wrong. And specially someone who has already been shown around the village as betrothed to Rudra. Adhi shaadi toh ho chuki hai...poora Birpur aur Chandangarh janta hai! (Not one villager knows apart from Paro & Rudra he was forcing her into the marriage vs signing of documents). In this public display of the bride what were the comments? That Rudra is so in love with Paro.

It does not sound or look illogical going by her pure and white as snow character!

Also for Paro her adoration and admiration for Rudra is way above her personal humiliation. That is how the character is written. Surreal!

Also I have said this umpteen numbers of times since IPK days. A character ownership lies with its creator. They have a right to mould it, slice it, decorate it, purify it, butcher it. Love or Hate it is a viewer's choice.

Like some of the fictional stories on the same character names but with different characterizations. Some you like, some you don't. If that was not the case, every FF would have had the exact numbers of likes/readers/comments.

Hope you understand what I am trying to say! Sigh!

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dd

hey dd
mayor of mayor of casterbridge, he sells off his wife , mahabharat the pandavas bait drupati and these are great classics of all times
that is an example of creative freedom, every character need not be right or socially acceptable
but the way i saw , i found the effort rushed , i will explain

paro's character :
after she realizes he has always tried to save her that too when the world gave up on her
this can result in idolizing rudra and falling in love with him accepted (but in a day????)

rudra
he just realized him mom betrayed him and left him to be with his worst enemy , he sees his mom in paro
he wants to hate her , he wants her gone because subconsciously he know she is capable of hurt him (where is his fear being shown )

paro
once she realized her love i dont have any issue in her public ally proposing rudra

isnt this a track that is beautiful and to be shown to the viewers in great detail , all they took to show this entire track is 40 minutes

this is a track of

realization from paro , what does she want her, internal fight and her realization of love, and finally paro gathering courage to propose rudra

rudra's worst fear surfacing , his internal fear, anger , suspicion , hatred , love , realization


i did not find any of this in the episode , what is the hurry
this a beautiful track which was completely ruined because they rushed

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Posted: 11 years ago
#54

Originally posted by: ttt1


hey dd
mayor of mayor of casterbridge, he sells off his wife , mahabharat the pandavas bait drupati and these are great classics of all times
that is an example of creative freedom, every character need not be right or socially acceptable
but the way i saw , i found the effort rushed , i will explain

paro's character :
after she realizes he has always tried to save her that too when the world gave up on her
this can result in idolizing rudra and falling in love with him accepted (but in a day????)

rudra
he just realized him mom betrayed him and left him to be with his worst enemy , he sees his mom in paro
he wants to hate her , he wants her gone because subconsciously he know she is capable of hurt him (where is his fear being shown )

paro
once she realized her love i dont have any issue in her public ally proposing rudra

isnt this a track that is beautiful and to be shown to the viewers in great detail , all they took to show this entire track is 40 minutes

this is a track of

realization from paro , what does she want her, internal fight and her realization of love, and finally paro gathering courage to propose rudra

rudra's worst fear surfacing , his internal fear, anger , suspicion , hatred , love , realization


i did not find any of this in the episode , what is the hurry
this a beautiful track which was completely ruined because they rushed



Hope this helps to see it differently. Just my POV...doesnt have to be the way you see it. My comments to Diya's post.

Quite a fast paced episode and the doll revelation though not very dramatic was most unexpected.

It also explains Paro's eagerness and immediate decision to go to Rudra with the sindoor at the awards ceremony.

Actor playing Sumer was truly brilliant with every dialogue and scene. I loved that he knows he is not worthy of 13 lacs plus a beautiful woman which is huge very huge for someone like him. His mother could never find him a girl who would get him 13 lacs of dowry.

Paro and her confusion was another step forward. Paro does not know what it means to be in love. She has been questioning herself quite often. First it happened in Dilsher's room and then the googly that Rudra threw at her with Sumer's proposal triggered more feeling of what he really means to her beyond just a rakshak, a hero and her admiration for his BSD bravery. Even before seeing the doll she did not want to marry Sumer. And then Rudra's behaviour confuses her all the more...him not allowing Sumer anywhere near to her. Then telling her I know you won't marry him. Don't marry that scum. Just go away from here. That was weird from a guy who just threw a proposal a few minutes ago. It explains exactly why Rudra made that marriage offer to Sumer. The previous day in Dilsher's room, he questioned her after he saw how much effort she was putting into getting his father healed. He did not want to build that closeness anymore not just with him but his father too. He had to put a stop. Send her away. Strike a deal, she wanted forgiveness for which she would do anything...and he would use it as a means to push her away. Also make her HATE HIM for it.

And Paro caught on to it. She questions him, "would you really forgive me if I were to marry Sumer?" He hesitates and then answers yes. And then his holding her shoulders goes on with his usual rant on pretty women.

He has seen that admiration in her eyes for him and she can see that he has feelings for her. They both are at the threshold of an emotion they both don't want to name. Paro is more open about it and is on her way to ACCEPTING it as the WILL of Bholenath.

He realizes and then changes his tactics to BSD style. Offering the joda to goad her into marrying Sumer. The doll falls and again she sees his vulnerable side

This is exactly what makes Paro go to him. . His telling her the doll meant so much to him and was his only consolation in his shattered and battered childhood. Again the instinct of nurturing comes forth...it's like...Bholenath gave me my answer...you are my chosen one...and look I am the one who befriended you...so I can still be you friend. I can heal you. I am ready to take on all your anger, your pain and embrace it. The sindoor is only an external element.

You see in the precap clutching the doll in one hand and sindoor in the other, she is all starry-eyed, her voice all soft a kind of joy that she found herself to be the friend he always longed for and feels close to even now.

The only worry is his public rejection of her proposal. Though I feel Paro is not too worried about that. Such things do not hurt her. he has publicly claimed her his to be wife. From Chandangarh to Birpur everyone knows they were supposed to be married. So what's the big deal if it is an awards ceremony. How the CVs are then going to play it out is yet to be seen.

About her being the witness and he providing protection has definitely being forgotten by the CVs. They need to address it. Like he speaking to his seniors that he is not ready to provide that to her. It may just play out tonight. Hopefully Major speaks to him about it. That she is his responsibility however much he hates it.

One more thing though I so wanted Paro to accept Sumer's proposal (just so that Rudra faces the reality of losing her) it would go against her character. It's not in her character to just go on and marry every second guy coming her way. Her values now remain intact. Her loyalty is something way beyond Rudra can imagine. And now with this public proposal, it reaches to a point of taking the chance of even being publicly humiliated.

If I have to sum up her character Paro is a very saintly woman of today. All pure white. Plus she has patience which is her very big virtue, nerver give up attitude (kitchen scenes).Extremely selfless... It's all about give give give, without expecting anything in return. You could say too good to be true for a man like him. But only something so white can heal something so dark as Rudra.

hugs

dd



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Posted: 11 years ago
#55

Originally posted by: ddFan2012



Hope this helps to see it differently. Just my POV...doesnt have to be the way you see it. My comments to Diya's post.

the doll scene was a favorite of all times RR , i thought it was a very strong scene to be put for 3 minutes

the explaination was vague and uncalled for , isnt he angry with her for killing his dad , sorry attempt

sumer was brilliant , awesome tadka of humor

Paro and her confusion was another step forward. Paro does not know what it means to be in love. She has been questioning herself quite often. First it happened in Dilsher's room and then the googly that Rudra threw at her with Sumer's proposal triggered more feeling of what he really means to her beyond just a rakshak, a hero and her admiration for his BSD bravery.

from paro's POV it is highly humiliating and hurtful to be traded like this in front of the house , every more hurtful that the only most important person in her life did it , so shouldnt she bne angry ,hurt , or something , she was unmoved , and she was more focued on the forgivness part

why didnt she question him, or did she , well i didnt notice


Even before seeing the doll she did not want to marry Sumer. And then Rudra's behaviour confuses her all the more...him not allowing Sumer anywhere near to her. Then telling her I know you won't marry him.

rudra wants her gone cos she see her like his mom compares her to his mom , the woman who had the most impact in his life , very scary to imagine there is another woman who would do the same to him , he is scared and wants her to percieve him as a jallad , then why explain about the doll , where was his fear


Don't marry that scum. Just go away from here. That was weird from a guy who just threw a proposal a few minutes ago. It explains exactly why Rudra made that marriage offer to Sumer. The previous day in Dilsher's room, he questioned her after he saw how much effort she was putting into getting his father healed. He did not want to build that closeness anymore not just with him but his father too. He had to put a stop. Send her away. Strike a deal, she wanted forgiveness for which she would do anything...and he would use it as a means to push her away. Also make her HATE HIM for it.


true my explanation too but where was his guilt , fear , i didnot see any


And Paro caught on to it. She questions him, "would you really forgive me if I were to marry Sumer?" He hesitates and then answers yes. And then his holding her shoulders goes on with his usual rant on pretty women.

subxoncious fear of imagining paro might actually end up with sumer , this time it is different

again no dialigues or attention to put it across

He has seen that admiration in her eyes for him and she can see that he has feelings for her. They both are at the threshold of an emotion they both don't want to name. Paro is more open about it and is on her way to ACCEPTING it as the WILL of Bholenath.

He realizes and then changes his tactics to BSD style. Offering the joda to goad her into marrying Sumer. The doll falls and again she sees his vulnerable side

This is exactly what makes Paro go to him. . His telling her the doll meant so much to him and was his only consolation in his shattered and battered childhood. Again the instinct of nurturing comes forth...it's like...Bholenath gave me my answer...you are my chosen one...and look I am the one who befriended you...so I can still be you friend. I can heal you. I am ready to take on all your anger, your pain and embrace it. The sindoor is only an external element.


what made paro go to him should be love , feeling of belonging together , that is what it was i dont know


You see in the precap clutching the doll in one hand and sindoor in the other, she is all starry-eyed, her voice all soft a kind of joy that she found herself to be the friend he always longed for and feels close to even now.

The only worry is his public rejection of her proposal. Though I feel Paro is not too worried about that. Such things do not hurt her. he has publicly claimed her his to be wife. From Chandangarh to Birpur everyone knows they were supposed to be married. So what's the big deal if it is an awards ceremony. How the CVs are then going to play it out is yet to be seen.

About her being the witness and he providing protection has definitely being forgotten by the CVs. They need to address it. Like he speaking to his seniors that he is not ready to provide that to her. It may just play out tonight. Hopefully Major speaks to him about it. That she is his responsibility however much he hates it.

One more thing though I so wanted Paro to accept Sumer's proposal (just so that Rudra faces the reality of losing her) it would go against her character. It's not in her character to just go on and marry every second guy coming her way. Her values now remain intact. Her loyalty is something way beyond Rudra can imagine. And now with this public proposal, it reaches to a point of taking the chance of even being publicly humiliated.

If I have to sum up her character Paro is a very saintly woman of today. All pure white. Plus she has patience which is her very big virtue, nerver give up attitude (kitchen scenes).Extremely selfless... It's all about give give give, without expecting anything in return. You could say too good to be true for a man like him. But only something so white can heal something so dark as Rudra.

hugs

dd



so in short what i mean is it is a beautiful track , so badly executed and rushed that the meaning is lost

i understand the character , i loved the story what i hate is it is not conveyed cos the writers are not paying attention on how to deliver it to the viewers and this rush
you write very well
hugs
PS forgive me for the typo and spellings i wrote in a hurry like the cvs😆😆
Edited by tttttt1 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#56
Sorry, I disagree.

1. The track has just only begun. We aren't aware what's gonna happen next.

2. The CVs are professionals. If there's something WE don't get, maybe it's too complex for us? The best thing to do? Wait.

3. I'm sure no one wants to butcher a 3 month old show. Baby or not, it's too new to do that.

4. May I remind people that up until a few weeks ago, we were demanding speed? It's here. Causing an identity crisis to you? Still, WAIT.

Thank you :)

I also think you've used a few rash words. I have myself raised issues regarding characterization before, but that doesn't mean anybody is doing it on purpose. CVs or anyone else. I'm sure it wasn't your intention, but yaar, simple tone- we are all bhai-bhai, no?

Chalo ab jaane do. Watch RR, spread the joy.
Edited by Exprimere - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#57

Originally posted by: _SONA_

sush you are again to console me 🤗.. As you said there is something reason behind this.. Then yes i am here to watch it.. But i am shattered to see hero is selling heroine... May be he is angry.. But that ten lakh thing is really



sona, but he didn't sell her. she has a choice right? She can, and should say no.

Also, it is clear that he is expecting her to say no. He just wants her out of his life. he is scared of the pull towards her - "a beautiful woman".

But to be frank, it would be great if she calls his bluff and plays him by saying yes to Sumer, with no intention of really getting married to Sumer😊
Edited by bidz - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Bang on Sona !! 👏 Actually, I am surprised to see your post in this topic because,exact 1 week ago you were defending CVs. 😆 (just kidding😳). I don't know about others opinion because,we are individuals n we have our own thoughts but, as per my POV... This 'New' Paro is not working on me.

If,you'll check my Reply to Sonia in my yesterday Post...You'll understand my point that,why am I not liking this changes in her character...??

Its just a matter of different POV. We can't force to any1 for Praise to some1 or criticize to some1. Its a open Public Forum n we have right to share our honest view abt show,story n characters. So,I don't think anything is offensive here.

I loved n liked your effort to share your honest opinion abt Paro's characterization. 👏


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Exprimere

Sorry, I disagree.

1. The track has just only begun. We aren't aware what's gonna happen next.

2. The CVs are professionals. If there's something WE don't get, maybe it's too complex for us? The best thing to do? Wait.

3. I'm sure no one wants to butcher a 3 month old show. Baby or not, it's too new to do that.

4. May I remind people that up until a few weeks ago, we were demanding speed? It's here. Causing an identity crisis to you? Still, WAIT.

Thank you :)

I also think you've used a few rash words. I have myself raised issues regarding characterization before, but that doesn't mean anybody is doing it on purpose. CVs or anyone else. I'm sure it wasn't your intention, but yaar, simple tone- we are all bhai-bhai, no?

Chalo ab jaane do. Watch RR, spread the joy.

well as you put the point of rash word..but i really can't see any brutal word in my post.. Only thing i missed to add my post..that is fun post in the title.. When you try to make fun.. Then defo some people get offended... I criticized it.. Yes... Becoz i like this show.. So if something is bothering me then i will put forward it... Infact few days ago..myself made post calling ..why can't we support cvs... I still support them... But money thing was extremely unbelievable man
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I have often heard----stick to the character...do we really do that? ...even in our REAL life??

Today I say I hate this particular show/actor/actress/movie...and within months i see myself loving it...

So can anyone define themselves?? Not me...
I have always believed that people act according to the situation they are thrown in...not the kind of character they are...

Paro for now is desperate for Rudra's forgiveness...thats her character ...she can't live with the guilt...and thats her character...for me that defines her character...not her publicly proposing Rudra...

And about Rudra trying to sell Paro...who is he to sell Paro??? ...he just laid his conditions...the conditions on which he will grant her forgiveness...he wants to get rid of Paro...he wants to get rid of the growing feelings inside him...and so he is putting his condition...because he KNOWS that Paro will not accept it and will leave him and his house...


Though no hard feelings for the TM...she had put her views ,..and I have put mine😊


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