Kaikeyi's Brideprice and the Throne of Ayodhya

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We normally think of Kaikeyi's boons when the topic of Rama and the throne of Ayodhya comes up. But the text hints towards a more complex political situation.

Take a look at Ayodhya Kanda, Sarga 99, Sloka 3. This is when Bharata and co, reach Chitrakuta and try to convince Rama to go back, even going as far as to say that Dasaratha had been delusional and it was sinful to rob Rama of his right to the throne just to please a woman; so Rama should return to absolve his father of this sin. Rama responds as follows:

Ayodhya Kanda, Sarga 99, Sloka 3




Long ago, dear brother, when our father was about to marry your mother, he made a bride-price pledge to you grandfather - the ultimate price, the kingship.


This is a startling revelation. According to this, Dasaratha had already jeopardized the throne of Ayodhya the day he married to Kaikeyi. He had promised her father that the kingship would go to an heir produced by Kaikeyi. That was the foundation of the marriage itself. Even before Rama and his brothers were born, even before the boons came into the picture, Dasaratha himself had sown the seeds for political disaster.

Now let's go back to an earlier part of Ayodhya Kanda. At this point Bharata had already gone to his maternal grandfather's kingdom for a while. Dasaratha then decided to crown Rama and called him to inform him of the decision. Among other things, he tells Rama that he has had some bad dreams and observed ill omens. Then he says this:

Ayodhya Kanda, Sarga 4, Slokas 19-20



When such portents as these appear it usually means a king is about to die or meet with some dreadful misfortune. You must therefore have yourself consecrated, Raghava, before my resolve fails me. For the minds of men are changeable.


Look carefully at the bolded part. First he says that these ill-omens usually mean death for the king or some great calamity. Then suddenly he talks about his resolve. He seems anxious, nervous and says that people can change their minds. Why does he need a strong resolve to crown Rama king when he would normally be the rightful heir anyway, given his position as the eldest son and all the good qualities of kingship being present in him? Regardless of death or calamity, why would there be any possibility of changing his mind? This should be a natural and effortless decision. Yet he is nervous about losing his resolve to crown Rama. This is a little odd unless we bring in the brideprice pledge: was he anxious about Kaikeyi (or her family) demanding the brideprice at any moment now that the sons are old enough? Had he resolved to break his word to Kaikeyi's father and crown Rama instead? Is that why he seems so nervous?

Then he says this:

Ayodhya Kanda, Sarga 4, Slokas 21-22




Today the moon has reached Punarvasu, just to the east of Pusya; tomorrow, the astrologers predict, its conjunction with Pusya is certain. On this very Pusya day you must have yourself consecrated - I feel a sense of great urgency. Tomorrow, slayer of enemies, I will consecrate you as prince regent.

Then, a few slokas later:

Ayodhya Kanda, Sarga 4 slokas 25-27






I believe the best time for your consecration is precisely while Bharata is absent from the city. Granted your brother keeps to the ways of the good, defers to his elder brother, and is righteous, compassionate, and self-disciplined. Still, Raghava, it is my firm belief that the mind of man is inconsistent, even the mind of a good man constant in righteousness. Even such a man is best presented with an accomplished fact.


This is very peculiar behaviour for a king for whom everything is supposedly going so well. Why is he so urgent and so much in a hurry to crown Rama in Bharata's absence? It's very odd to leave Bharata out of such an important function. What, is there going to be no good moment in the future at all (astrologically that is) to crown Rama?

The most disturbing part is when he says that Bharata is a righteous man and obedient of his elder brother and yet, Dasaratha is convinced that even the best of men can change their minds on impulse. He feels that it is best to make it so that when Bharata returns, everything is already complete and done with. This extreme nervousness on Dasaratha's part, especially his anxiousness regarding Bharata, is odd to say the least. At this time Kaikeyi has not even mentioned the boons or all is supposedly well in the household and yet Dasaratha is nervous. If everything is well then when why such anxiety?


This is my theory: Dasaratha was nervous because of the brideprice pledge. Back when he agreed to the condition set forth by Kaikeyi's father he probably never imagined it would come to this. His first wife Kaushalya had produced no heir and he was marrying Kaikeyi to get an heir in the first place. He had probably concluded that Kaushalya would never produce an heir and therefore, any future heir would come from Kaikeyi. Hence the pledge would not be at odds with the rules of succession since the eldest son (or only son, whichever might turn out to be the case) would come from this fresh new wife of his. And if by chance Kaikeyi too didn't produce any son then the pledge would be null and void anyway.

The problem happened when he remained without an heir despite having more than 2 queens and the passage of many years. He had to conduct a special yagya to get an heir and he had no choice but to include Kaushalya in the proceedings since she was his chief queen after all. This ultimately resulted in the one thing that he had thought would never happen when he married Kaikeyi: Kaushalya gave birth to the eldest son! Now he was in a conundrum: the rules of succession demanded that he crown Rama (unless he was disqualified somehow and that was not the case) but that would mean breaking his word to Kaikeyi's father. A Kshatriya and that too a Suryavanshi Kshatriya does not go back on his word! He was in a lose-lose situation: no matter what he did he would violating one code or another. The throne was in jeopardy. This explains his nervousness, his anxiety. He loved Rama and wanted to crown him and yet there was the ever-present problem of the brideprice pledge. Kaikeyi's family could demand the price at any moment!

Finally Dasaratha decided to break his pledge and crown Rama anyway. This is why he was afraid of losing his resolve. He seized the opportunity the moment Bharata left Ayodhya and was therefore in a desperate hurry to finish the official work while Bharata was absent. Perhaps he was afraid that Bharata's maternal grandfather might be trying to convince him (Bharata) to claim the throne. Dasaratha figured that Bharata was still a righteous person and would not raise any objection - nor could he do much - once he finds out that Rama had already been crowned. But as long as there was a chance for the kingship, as long as the throne was still within his grasp, there was that small but fearsome possibility that Bharata could demand the throne (or be used by his maternal relatives for that purpose).

I did not create this theory out of thin air. Both the Tattvadipika and Bhusana commentaries are of the opinion that Dasaratha was thinking of the brideprice pledge in Sarga 4, Sloka 25. The Tattvadipika commentary even theorizes that Dasaratha may have doubted Bharata's self-control. So this theory is not a new one: it's something that has occurred to Ramayana scholars even several centuries ago!

The question is: when did Rama find out about the pledge? He certainly knows about it when Bharata goes to bring him back. Did he know about it when Dasaratha said he wanted to crown him? But then this would mean that Rama was participating in Dasaratha's attempt to break the pledge and Rama was not supposed to be that sort of person. He would have insisted that Dasaratha should keep his word and crown Bharata. I think he learned of this later when the political mayhem of Kaikeyi's demands began.

What about the boons then? Why did Manthara and Kaikeyi have to go for the boons when this pledge alone would have been enough? Indeed the references to the boons are a bit inconsistent. In Sarga 9, when Manthara is poisoning Kaikeyi's mind, she first talks about reminding Dasaratha about the boons. In fact, we are told that Kaikeyi had actually forgotten about the boons that Dasaratha had granted her long ago and Manthara had to remind her about them.

Then she says this:

Ayodhya Kanda, Sarga 9, Slokas 22-23




When the great king Raghava helps you up himself and offers you a boon, then you must ask him for this one, first making sure he swears to it: 'Banish Rama to the forrest for nine years and five, and make Bharata king of the land, the bull among kings."

Notice how she is now telling Kaikeyi what to do when Dasaratha offers her a boon. She is talking about getting a boon rather than a boon (or boons) already given, which is what she was saying just before this sloka. There is some inconsistency regarding whether the boons were given earlier or whether Kaikeyi should get one now.

Then, in the next scene:

Ayodhya Kanda, Sarga 10, Sloka 21





Let the three and thirty gods, with Indra at their head, hear how you in due order swear an oath and grant me a boon.

Ayodhya Kanda, Sarga 10, Sloka 24





This mighty king, who is true to his word and knows the ways of righteousness, in full awareness grants me a boon - let the deities give ear to this for me.

Again notice how Kaikeyi is saying that Dasaratha had just granted her a boon. It is in the present tense whereas you'd expect her to say that he agreed to live up to the boons that he had already granted long ago. Once again we have an inconsistency about the boons (given in the present vs given in the past).

Kaikeyi's forgetting the boons is itself a bit odd and she is in fact instructed by Manthara to entice Dasaratha using her beauty. Then there is the inconsistency about the boons themselves as I described above.

Is is possible that the boons were introduced into the story, and direct references to the brideprice pledge removed, to absolve Dasaratha of deceit when he decided to crown Rama and shift the blame to Kaikeyi instead? Once we take the pledge into account, Kaikeyi demanding the brideprice is not wrong on its own: Dasaratha had given his word and it was her right to claim the pledge. We know that in later versions of the epic, the notion of Manthara being divinely manipulated (Saraswati making her say those things to Kaikeyi) was created to absolve her of guilt. Was this boon thing an earlier attempt to do the same for Dasaratha and preserve his image as a righteous king?

This brings us to the question of why the direct reference to the brideprice pledge was not removed from Sarga 99. Perhaps it is the result of errors creeping in as the story passed orally and then by manual copying with continuous revisions. These revisions and errors probably introduced inconsistencies. On the other hand, perhaps this reference was kept in order to justify/explain Rama's continued insistence to remain on exile. Bharata, Vasistha, etc had already declared Dasaratah to have been delusional when he agreed to Kaikeyi's demands thus placing the whole exile and Bharata's crowning into question. If he was delusional, as everyone insisted, then Rama did not have to stay on exile anymore. This is where Rama refers to the pledge (he must have learned about this sometime between Kaikeyi tricking Dasaratha and Bharata's arrival in Chitrakut). As a dutiful son, he could not have his father's pledge violated. Even if the boons were given in a fit of madness, the pledge was given years ago when Dasaratha was perfectly sane. It could not be rendered null and void and Rama, the maryada purushottam. must honour his father's word. The reference to the pledge was perhaps kept in the poem when it was absolutely necessary to justify/explain Rama's insistence to remain on exile whereas it was removed everywhere else to absolve Dasaratha of the guilt of violating his own word. Perhaps these were ongoing revisions as the poem passed on, first orally and then by manual copying and so the existing written versions retain the inconsistencies associated with such revisions. Note that I am not saying Valmiki himself made such deliberate changes. Perhaps he didn't. Perhaps these revisions started later on. Who knows.


Let me go a bit further (and this is pure speculation): Manthara had been Kaikeyi's servant since she was a child. In other words, she had come with her from Kaikeya. Was she aware of the pledge? Maybe she was instructed by Kaikeyi's family to make sure Kaikeyi extracts the pledge from Dasaratha.




N.B: All sarga/sloka numbers are from the Critical Edition. English translation is from the Goldman, Pollock, et al translation of the Critical Edition.

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Originally posted by: Kal El

We normally think of Kaikeyi's boons when the topic of Rama and the throne of Ayodhya comes up. But the text hints towards a more complex political situation.

Take a look at Ayodhya Kanda, Sarga 99, Sloka 3. This is when Bharata and co, reach Chitrakuta and try to convince Rama to go back, even going as far as to say that Dasaratha had been delusional and it was sinful to rob Rama of his right to the throne just to please a woman; so Rama should return to absolve his father of this sin. Rama responds as follows:

Ayodhya Kanda, Sarga 99, Sloka 3




Long ago, dear brother, when our father was about to marry your mother, he made a bride-price pledge to you grandfather - the ultimate price, the kingship.


This is a startling revelation. According to this, Dasaratha had already jeopardized the throne of Ayodhya the day he married to Kaikeyi. He had promised her father that the kingship would go to an heir produced by Kaikeyi. That was the foundation of the marriage itself. Even before Rama and his brothers were born, even before the boons came into the picture, Dasaratha himself had sown the seeds for political disaster.

Now let's go back to an earlier part of Ayodhya Kanda. At this point Bharata had already gone to his maternal grandfather's kingdom for a while. Dasaratha then decided to crown Rama and called him to inform him of the decision. Among other things, he tells Rama that he has had some bad dreams and observed ill omens. Then he says this:

Ayodhya Kanda, Sarga 4, Slokas 19-20



When such portents as these appear it usually means a king is about to die or meet with some dreadful misfortune. You must therefore have yourself consecrated, Raghava, before my resolve fails me. For the minds of men are changeable.


Look carefully at the bolded part. First he says that these ill-omens usually mean death for the king or some great calamity. Then suddenly he talks about his resolve. He seems anxious, nervous and says that people can change their minds. Why does he need a strong resolve to crown Rama king when he would normally be the rightful heir anyway, given his position as the eldest son and all the good qualities of kingship being present in him? Regardless of death or calamity, why would there be any possibility of changing his mind? This should be a natural and effortless decision. Yet he is nervous about losing his resolve to crown Rama. This is a little odd unless we bring in the brideprice pledge: was he anxious about Kaikeyi (or her family) demanding the brideprice at any moment now that the sons are old enough? Had he resolved to break his word to Kaikeyi's father and crown Rama instead? Is that why he seems so nervous?

Then he says this:

Ayodhya Kanda, Sarga 4, Slokas 21-22




Today the moon has reached Punarvasu, just to the east of Pusya; tomorrow, the astrologers predict, its conjunction with Pusya is certain. On this very Pusya day you must have yourself consecrated - I feel a sense of great urgency. Tomorrow, slayer of enemies, I will consecrate you as prince regent.

Then, a few slokas later:

Ayodhya Kanda, Sarga 4 slokas 25-27






I believe the best time for your consecration is precisely while Bharata is absent from the city. Granted your brother keeps to the ways of the good, defers to his elder brother, and is righteous, compassionate, and self-disciplined. Still, Raghava, it is my firm belief that the mind of man is inconsistent, even the mind of a good man constant in righteousness. Even such a man is best presented with an accomplished fact.


This is very peculiar behaviour for a king for whom everything is supposedly going so well. Why is he so urgent and so much in a hurry to crown Rama in Bharata's absence? It's very odd to leave Bharata out of such an important function. What, is there going to be no good moment in the future at all (astrologically that is) to crown Rama?

The most disturbing part is when he says that Bharata is a righteous man and obedient of his elder brother and yet, Dasaratha is convinced that even the best of men can change their minds on impulse. He feels that it is best to make it so that when Bharata returns, everything is already complete and done with. This extreme nervousness on Dasaratha's part, especially his anxiousness regarding Bharata, is odd to say the least. At this time Kaikeyi has not even mentioned the boons or all is supposedly well in the household and yet Dasaratha is nervous. If everything is well then when why such anxiety?


This is my theory: Dasaratha was nervous because of the brideprice pledge. Back when he agreed to the condition set forth by Kaikeyi's father he probably never imagined it would come to this. His first wife Kaushalya had produced no heir and he was marrying Kaikeyi to get an heir in the first place. He had probably concluded that Kaushalya would never produce an heir and therefore, any future heir would come from Kaikeyi. Hence the pledge would not be at odds with the rules of succession since the eldest son (or only son, whichever might turn out to be the case) would come from this fresh new wife of his. And if by chance Kaikeyi too didn't produce any son then the pledge would be null and void anyway.

The problem happened when he remained without an heir despite having more than 2 queens and the passage of many years. He had to conduct a special yagya to get an heir and he had no choice but to include Kaushalya in the proceedings since she was his chief queen after all. This ultimately resulted in the one thing that he had thought would never happen when he married Kaikeyi: Kaushalya gave birth to the eldest son! Now he was in a conundrum: the rules of succession demanded that he crown Rama (unless he was disqualified somehow and that was not the case) but that would mean breaking his word to Kaikeyi's father. A Kshatriya and that too a Suryavanshi Kshatriya does not go back on his word! He was in a lose-lose situation: no matter what he did he would violating one code or another. The throne was in jeopardy. This explains his nervousness, his anxiety. He loved Rama and wanted to crown him and yet there was the ever-present problem of the brideprice pledge. Kaikeyi's family could demand the price at any moment!

Finally Dasaratha decided to break his pledge and crown Rama anyway. This is why he was afraid of losing his resolve. He seized the opportunity the moment Bharata left Ayodhya and was therefore in a desperate hurry to finish the official work while Bharata was absent. Perhaps he was afraid that Bharata's maternal grandfather might be trying to convince him (Bharata) to claim the throne. Dasaratha figured that Bharata was still a righteous person and would not raise any objection - nor could he do much - once he finds out that Rama had already been crowned. But as long as there was a chance for the kingship, as long as the throne was still within his grasp, there was that small but fearsome possibility that Bharata could demand the throne (or be used by his maternal relatives for that purpose).

I did not create this theory out of thin air. Both the Tattvadipika and Bhusana commentaries are of the opinion that Dasaratha was thinking of the brideprice pledge in Sarga 4, Sloka 25. The Tattvadipika commentary even theorizes that Dasaratha may have doubted Bharata's self-control. So this theory is not a new one: it's something that has occurred to Ramayana scholars even several centuries ago!

The question is: when did Rama find out about the pledge? He certainly knows about it when Bharata goes to bring him back. Did he know about it when Dasaratha said he wanted to crown him? But then this would mean that Rama was participating in Dasaratha's attempt to break the pledge and Rama was not supposed to be that sort of person. He would have insisted that Dasaratha should keep his word and crown Bharata. I think he learned of this later when the political mayhem of Kaikeyi's demands began.

What about the boons then? Why did Manthara and Kaikeyi have to go for the boons when this pledge alone would have been enough? Indeed the references to the boons are a bit inconsistent. In Sarga 9, when Manthara is poisoning Kaikeyi's mind, she first talks about reminding Dasaratha about the boons. In fact, we are told that Kaikeyi had actually forgotten about the boons that Dasaratha had granted her long ago and Manthara had to remind her about them.

Then she says this:

Ayodhya Kanda, Sarga 9, Slokas 22-23




When the great king Raghava helps you up himself and offers you a boon, then you must ask him for this one, first making sure he swears to it: 'Banish Rama to the forrest for nine years and five, and make Bharata king of the land, the bull among kings."

Notice how she is now telling Kaikeyi what to do when Dasaratha offers her a boon. She is talking about getting a boon rather than a boon (or boons) already given, which is what she was saying just before this sloka. There is some inconsistency regarding whether the boons were given earlier or whether Kaikeyi should get one now.

Then, in the next scene:

Ayodhya Kanda, Sarga 10, Sloka 21





Let the three and thirty gods, with Indra at their head, hear how you in due order swear an oath and grant me a boon.

Ayodhya Kanda, Sarga 10, Sloka 24





This mighty king, who is true to his word and knows the ways of righteousness, in full awareness grants me a boon - let the deities give ear to this for me.

Again notice how Kaikeyi is saying that Dasaratha had just granted her a boon. It is in the present tense whereas you'd expect her to say that he agreed to live up to the boons that he had already granted long ago. Once again we have an inconsistency about the boons (given in the present vs given in the past).

Kaikeyi's forgetting the boons is itself a bit odd and she is in fact instructed by Manthara to entice Dasaratha using her beauty. Then there is the inconsistency about the boons themselves as I described above.

Is is possible that the boons were introduced into the story, and direct references to the brideprice pledge removed, to absolve Dasaratha of deceit when he decided to crown Rama and shift the blame to Kaikeyi instead? Once we take the pledge into account, Kaikeyi demanding the brideprice is not wrong on its own: Dasaratha had given his word and it was her right to claim the pledge. We know that in later versions of the epic, the notion of Manthara being divinely manipulated (Saraswati making her say those things to Kaikeyi) was created to absolve her of guilt. Was this boon thing an earlier attempt to do the same for Dasaratha and preserve his image as a righteous king?

This brings us to the question of why the direct reference to the brideprice pledge was not removed from Sarga 99. Perhaps it is the result of errors creeping in as the story passed orally and then by manual copying with continuous revisions. These revisions and errors probably introduced inconsistencies. On the other hand, perhaps this reference was kept in order to justify/explain Rama's continued insistence to remain on exile. Bharata, Vasistha, etc had already declared Dasaratah to have been delusional when he agreed to Kaikeyi's demands thus placing the whole exile and Bharata's crowning into question. If he was delusional, as everyone insisted, then Rama did not have to stay on exile anymore. This is where Rama refers to the pledge (he must have learned about this sometime between Kaikeyi tricking Dasaratha and Bharata's arrival in Chitrakut). As a dutiful son, he could not have his father's pledge violated. Even if the boons were given in a fit of madness, the pledge was given years ago when Dasaratha was perfectly sane. It could not be rendered null and void and Rama, the maryada purushottam. must honour his father's word. The reference to the pledge was perhaps kept in the poem when it was absolutely necessary to justify/explain Rama's insistence to remain on exile whereas it was removed everywhere else to absolve Dasaratha of the guilt of violating his own word. Perhaps these were ongoing revisions as the poem passed on, first orally and then by manual copying and so the existing written versions retain the inconsistencies associated with such revisions. Note that I am not saying Valmiki himself made such deliberate changes. Perhaps he didn't. Perhaps these revisions started later on. Who knows.


Let me go a bit further (and this is pure speculation): Manthara had been Kaikeyi's servant since she was a child. In other words, she had come with her from Kaikeya. Was she aware of the pledge? Maybe she was instructed by Kaikeyi's family to make sure Kaikeyi extracts the pledge from Dasaratha.




N.B: All sarga/sloka numbers are from the Critical Edition. English translation is from the Goldman, Pollock, et al translation of the Critical Edition.



Kal, thanks for the info. I had posted about this last year. I had also given a link. I do not have it with me right now. It is there somewhere in the very very old posts in this forum.

The bride price might have been the throne of Ayodhaya given to Kaikeyi's son. According to many experts of ancient Indian social set-up the oath given to Kaikeyi does not stand up.

Reasons:

1. Dasharath married Kaikeyi-one of the reasons being he did not have any progeny.

2. The oath was given to Kaikeyi because of that fact.

3. When Kausalya became pregant the oath given to Kaikeyi becomes null and void.

Another examples the experts gave (Sanskrit scholars from various universties in India) is that of Bheesma.

The reason Bheesma had to take Bramacharya was because if he married and had sons then only his children would be king. If Santanu had given the oath to Satyavati's father that only their children would be kings...well...if Bheesma had married and had progeny, the oath would have been null and void.

Which is why Bheesma takes the oath of Brahmacharya so that his father can marry Satyavati and their children can become king.

The same logic applies in Ramayan too. When Kausalya became pregnant the oath given to Kaikeyi becomes null and void when she has a son who is also the eldest born.
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Kal El, and Khalrika, thanks so much for this info! In Ramayan epic, there are reasons behind everyone's actions and reactions! This is the lesson we all learn from Ramayan😊
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3. When Kausalya became pregant the oath given to Kaikeyi becomes null and void. [/quote]

This is the tricky part. We are simply told that Kaikeyi's brideprice was the throne of Ayodhya. There is no indication that there was yet another condition on top of this that the pledge was valid only as long as Kaikeyi produced the eldest son. The text simply tells us that it was Kaikeyi's brideprice. Nothing more. Kanyashulka - a woman's brideprice - is an agreement between the bride's father and the groom (or groom's family) and once agreed upon, it could not be denied. Plus the brideprice of one wife is not supposed to be dependent on what was happening with another wife. Rama himself used the pledge to justify his insistence to refuse the throne and remain on exile. Surely he wouldn't use an empty argument to justify his exile nor would he lie outright, would he? Also, it was Dasaratha's duty as king, kshatriya and member of Suryavansh to keep to his word. Once a word was given it could not be withdrawn, no matter the cost.

If the mere existence of Rama could render the pledge void then why would the boons be important? If Dasaratha could legally violate the pledge because Kaikeyi did not bear the eldest son then by this logic, he could also legally refuse to give the boons and Kaikeyi's demands for the boons would be meaningless and non-binding since the demands go against succession rules. This would render the necessity of the exile null and void. No, the text itself tells us that once a word is given, be it in the form of the boons or the pledge, it had to be kept at any cost.

It is also quite silly to make the pledge dependent on Kaikeyi producing the eldest son or on Kaushalya's offspring: the pledge would be unnecessary if the eldest son gets the throne no matter what promises the king made. That was the normal way to the throne anyway. Why make a pledge or brideprice out of it? It would be pointless to even ask for such a brideprice or pledge. The significance of the pledge and its necessity (from the POV of the bride's father) is if the throne was promised to someone regardless of what was happening with the other wife or wives. We are talking about a brideprice here. It is something definite that is promised to the bride's father, not some vague promise that may or may not come to fruition depending on chance. Kaikeyi's brideprice would have had nothing to do with any other wife of Dasaratha. It was between Dasaratha and Kaikeyi's father only and it was something Dasaratha was obligated to give him.

Even if we assume that this opinion is right and the pledge becomes void due to Bharata not being the eldest, that still does not change the fact that Dasaratha was unusually nervous about crowning Rama and was in a hurry to do it in Bharata's absence. Even if one could argue back and forth about the pledge, he must have been worrying that Kaikeyi's father could nevertheless create a political storm based on the pledge. As I pointed out, Dasaratha reasoned that once Bharata is presented with an accomplished fact (Rama's coronation) he would probably accept it and create no problem. But as long as there was a chance, as long as the regent was not officially declared, there was that worry that a struggle for the throne could arise due to the agreement between Dasaratha and Kaikeyi's father. And this fear was robbing Dasaratha of peace and joy.

Remember again that Rama himself used this pledge as a solid argument to justify his insistence to refuse the throne. No one actually offers any counter-argument to this specific point.

Just because someone could argue that the pledge was void
(and this in itself is quite a stretch) does not mean there couldn't be a fear of trouble arising about the pledge.

I have also pointed out that two of the important commentaries actually talk about the same thing. The commentaries are used by scholars to study the Ramayana. This theory did not come out of thin air.

As far as Bheeshme is concerned, one thing to note is that Santanu had already installed Devavrata as the official heir-apparent before he even met Satyavati. Perhaps that is why Dasaratha was in a hurry to complete the official rites so that when Bharata returns he finds everything already done and he either couldn't do anything or he would accept it without protest. As long as the path to the thron remained open, there was that anxiety in Dasaratha's heart. He wanted to close that path for Bharata and remove the possibility of any trouble whatsoever. Also note that there is a difference between Santanu not wanting to agree to the demands of Satyavati's father and being legally unable to do so. Finally, we have to keep in mind that Bheeshma and Rama lived in two different eras. They were not even remotely close. Things change drastically with time. What was ok in one period may not be so for another.
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Kal El, and Khalrika, thanks so much for this info! In Ramayan epic, there are reasons behind everyone's actions and reactions! This is the lesson we all learn from Ramayan😊



U r correct Mallika. This is the reason why Kaikeyi and Manthara never even mention the oath given to her father when they ask for Bharat to be made king. They know very well that the oath is null and void. If the oath given to her father had remained legitimate then they would have made a point of it and their claim would have been valid.

Which is why Manthara asks her to use the 2 boons given to Kaikeyi by Dasharath (as a token of having helped him).
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Originally posted by: "Kal El"

when did Rama find out about the pledge? He certainly knows about it when Bharata goes to bring him back. Did he know about it when Dasaratha said he wanted to crown him? But then this would mean that Rama was participating in Dasaratha's attempt to break the pledge and Rama was not supposed to be that sort of person. He would have insisted that Dasaratha should keep his word and crown Bharata. I think he learned of this later when the political mayhem of Kaikeyi's demands began.



When Kaikeyi broke the news to Rama that he was to be exiled as a result of boons she had received from Dasharath, couldn't she have included these details at that instance?

Alternately, Valmiki, whom Rama was visiting at Chitrakoot just before the meeting w/ Bharat, and who had written all this before even Rama existed, may have told him about this pledge.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Hey Kal, I like big fonts 😆 most of the time. 😆 A habit I picked up from the members who post in Gurmi FC.

I am little lazy to read everything right now. Watching a movie. 😆 Will read it tomorrow and reply.
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This is a nice topic!! 👏
Long ago, dear brother, when our father was about to marry your mother, he made a bride-price pledge to you grandfather - the ultimate price, the kingship
The above given verse is not mentioned in North-west recenssion of Ramayana😕 (correct me if I am wrong)
There are many reasons cited by commentators about the "rajya-shulka" of Kaikeyi going null and void,one of them is being cited by Khal di,another one is that since Dashratha was quite old when he married Kaikeyi and King Ashwapati was obviously reluctant to give his daughter so he makes this condition of rajya-shulka for the security of Kaikeyi also it should be noted that even though Dasharatha was quite uneasy and nervous about this matter, Kaikeyi and Manthara hardly mention it, even its not mentioned , when they talk among themselves (Manthara poisoning Kaikeyi)
So maybe Kaikeyi might have not taken the rajya-shulka seriously.
Also there are many instances that suggest that she loved Rama so much (more than Bharat) she didn't really object Rama being a crown prince , it took Manthara's gruelling words to arouse her.
Kaikeyi even opines that once Rama is done ruling that throne will go to Bharat (maybe she meant that even while Rama will rule ,Bharat will be the crown prince and then the king) [2-18-16]

Ayodhya Kanda, Sarga 10, Sloka 21





Let the three and thirty gods, with Indra at their head, hear how you in due order swear an oath and grant me a boon.

Ayodhya Kanda, Sarga 10, Sloka 24





This mighty king, who is true to his word and knows the ways of righteousness, in full awareness grants me a boon - let the deities give ear to this for me.

Again these above mentioned shlokas appear in 2-13-14,15,16 in the southern recenssion
anyways, I think she is revoking the boons earlier given or she is making him conscious,that he ought not forget the promises made because when she tells Rama that he has leave to forest for 14 yrs (7 years twice!) she says that she had got those boons from Dashratha as a gratitude of saving D's life at Devasur sangram(against Timirdhwaj/Shambhar), she doesn't talk about the boons which she asked sometime back at the kopa bhavan.
Unfortunately there is not a comprehensive information on what were the conditions of this rajya-shulka and its left to many interpretations by scholars.
Coming to Bhishma's giving up of his right...yes the era of Bhishma and Rama were different but not much had been changed in the political scenario and inheritence of kingdoms, the first born son had total control of the kingdom only under special circumstances it went to the next son(s)
Edited by ananyacool - 16 years ago
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Wow, very interesting topic! Thanks for creating this thread Kal!👏 I'll reply tomorrow in deatil about my interpretations about this, as I'm a bit tired now.😆

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: ananyacool

This is a nice topic!! 👏

Long ago, dear brother, when our father was about to marry your mother, he made a bride-price pledge to you grandfather - the ultimate price, the kingship
The above given verse is not mentioned in North-west recenssion of Ramayana😕 (correct me if I am wrong)[/quote]

I just checked the Critical Edition to make sure. Yes it is there in the NW recension. The sarga/sloka numbers correspond as follows:


Critical Edition: Sarga 99, Slokas 1-10
Southern Recension: Sarga 107, Slokas 1-19
NW Recension: Sarga 120, Slokas 1-19
NE Recension: Sarga 115, Slokas 1-19

If you have access to the Lahore edition (which is the critically edited NW recension) then you can verify for yourself. 😊 The manuscripts cited by the Critical Edition for this sloka include Sarada, Devanagari (aligned with NW and W) , Telugu, Bangla and Nepali. There is a bit of a variation from one manuscript to another; nevertheless it is there. Incidentally the Nepali manuscript cited is the oldest known in existence (dates to 1020 C.E.).

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