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Originally posted by: Rajnish_Kumar

Yes its very sweet language.. AAha ke yakin na hoi ki ( you won't belive in maithil😆) even if people fights and abuse each other in this language it seems to other that they are giving respect😆. There is just minor difference in this language in abusing and loving😆

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

Thanks for the language lessons, everyone, particularly Ananya. I thought during the Treta yuga timeframe, everyone spoke Sanskrit, didn't they? In fact, didn't the use of Sanskrit go down only after the end of the Dwapar yuga?

Also, all the languages we have today - Hindi, Maithili, Nepali, Tamil, Gujarati, Marathi, et al - when did they earliest come into being? Was it in Kalyug, or before? Within Kalyug, when - during the Mauryas? Guptas? Kushans? When?

what about language called " awadhi" it spoken in adhohya time
does anyone know that

Originally posted by: David

what about language called " awadhi" it spoken in adhohya time
does anyone know that

Originally posted by: ananyacool

Most welcome Chandnii, Lalitha, Vibs, Rajnish, Aradhana....

Vibs about Devnagari, heres some info: This is according to European academy of vedic sciences.

"Devanagari was the language of the whole civilized population of the earth. But due to lack of training and careless pronunciation, the uneducated people began to develop numerous dialects. Before, such lingual alienation had been carefully avoided since it was well-known that the material and spiritual power of the language greatly depends on its purity. Now, however, various dialects came up which, after gradually deviating from the original language, could not be called devanagari anymore. New languages, called prakrita, came forth.

With the further progress of kali-yuga, these prakrita dialects spread more and more, up to the grade of dominating the original pure language. Finally, they were adopted even by the educated circles. The sages and scholars of that time became alarmed. Together with its language, they foresaw the dying-out of the root of Vedic culture. Thus, they invested enormous time and effort to design a standardized grammar, with the aim of preserving the devanagari language in its original purity. Although unnecessary before, this measure seemed to be the only means of counteracting the increasing cultural, intellectual and spiritual decay of the society.

The most successful, hence most prominent amongst these grammarians was Panini. His grammar, surpassing all others in tightness and precision, became the standard and remained so undisputedly until today. Panini was able to joint the original devanagari language into an exact framework of rules, thus preserving it for the posterity. Since his time, this language is called Sanskrit, "joined together, refined".

Thus, according to the Vedic version Sanskrit is not the result of the prakrita languages; rather, they in opposite have developed from the original Sanskrit language, called Devanagari"

The concept is very vast n I dont think its covered in one post 😔

There are a lot many theories too as how did these languages came into existence... will try n post more.

The Devnagari script:

In Hindi the vowel 'au' , consonant 'jn' do not appear.

gy is used instead of jn . Like Yajna in sanskrit becomes yagya in Hindi

Originally posted by: ananyacool

Even in treta yuga not all sections spoke Sanskrit , it was prevalent among Kshatriyas n Brahmanas.

And even in Kaliyuga Sanskrit was spoken by the elite. Chanakya's artha-shastra was written in Sanskrit .

I don't know since what time the languages hindi,marathi, nepali were spoken.

Tamil too is a very old language. Vibhishna might help us know more about it.

Thanks for the information on Devanagari, Ananya.

As Ananya said, Tamil is a very old language. I'm afraid that I don't know exactly when Tamil originated.
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According to the legends, Lord Shiva himself gave the Tamil language to Maharishi Aghasthya.

The earliest work in Tamil available is the Thollkappiyam - it is believed that this book had originated around Third Century B.C. There are more than 200 (more than 250, some say) references in Thollkappiyam. This suggests that the language had originated much earlier than 300 B.C.

Also, I don't know when Tamil started spreading. Sage Aghasthya must have taught it to his desciples and they must have spread it. I don't think the language spread as soon as it had originated. I think it could have been spoken among those who followed Sage Aghasthya and then after a long time it must have come out into the open. These are my guesses.

Tamil literature has been divided into 3 - the ones belonging to the Ancient Tamil Period, the Midieval Tamil Period and the Modern (or Later) Tamil Period.

In the Ancient Tamil period, the literary works were considered to be in the purest form of Tamil. The 5 Great Epics, Tholkappiyam, the 8 Anologies and Kambaramayanam belong to this era.

In the Midieval period, there was a huge influence from the Sanskrit speaking people who introduced so many Sanskrit words in Tamil that these words too became a part of the Tamil language. Though Sanskrit and Tamil have many similarities and some common words, the two languages were unique and different. Sanskrit was mixed into Tamil language in this period. Hence, the literature of this time which was mostly devotional songs and hymns had such a great influence from Sanskrit. Even the Modern works which were set in those times follw that style of speaking. Examples are Kalki's Novels - Sivagamiyin Sabatham (Sivagami's Vow), Ponniyin Selvan (Ponni's Son) etc.

In the Modern Tamil Period, the pure form of the language is almost lost. Nowadays, even colloquial Tamil is written as literature 😡

Sorry that I couldn't give the exact time when Tamil originated. That secret is lost to us 😭😭😭

All we know is that it existed long long before the time Tholkappiyam was written.

If anyone knows more about this, please enlighten me.

Sorry for the delayed response. I came to the Forum just now and saw the posts.


And Chandraketu, is that Karkati in your signatures? 😲😆
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Vibs

I too read that Rishi Agastya was the first scholar of Tamil - don't remember where. Just wonder whether Kamban got any of his inputs from any of Agastya's works.

Incidentally, where exactly did Agastya live? Was it the Dandaka forest, since Rama met him there? Or was it further south, in TN? I read that he crossed the Vindyas permanently so that Mt Meru would remain short, and not try to block the sun. But how much south did he go?

And yeah - I decided to bump off the rakshashkul - Ravan, Mandodari, even Kumbhakarna-kul - in favor of Karkati. See the Rakshasha fan club - I started the Rakshashkul 2nd wife's club in my siggies. If Akhl thinks that I'm nuts for liking Dhanya, I can't wait to see his face when he sees debutante Karkati in my siggie zone🤣🤣🤣

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

Vibs

I too read that Rishi Agastya was the first scholar of Tamil - don't remember where. Just wonder whether Kamban got any of his inputs from any of Agastya's works.

Incidentally, where exactly did Agastya live? Was it the Dandaka forest, since Rama met him there? Or was it further south, in TN? I read that he crossed the Vindyas permanently so that Mt Meru would remain short, and not try to block the sun. But how much south did he go?

And yeah - I decided to bump off the rakshashkul - Ravan, Mandodari, even Kumbhakarna-kul - in favor of Karkati. See the Rakshasha fan club - I started the Rakshashkul 2nd wife's club in my siggies. If Akhl thinks that I'm nuts for liking Dhanya, I can't wait to see his face when he sees debutante Karkati in my siggie zone🤣🤣🤣

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Will get back with more information on Aghasthya.

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

Vibs

I too read that Rishi Agastya was the first scholar of Tamil - don't remember where. Just wonder whether Kamban got any of his inputs from any of Agastya's works.

Incidentally, where exactly did Agastya live? Was it the Dandaka forest, since Rama met him there? Or was it further south, in TN? I read that he crossed the Vindyas permanently so that Mt Meru would remain short, and not try to block the sun. But how much south did he go?

I am not sure of what happened when. Sage Aghasthya did cross the Vindhyas and did not return to the North after that. When the marriage ceremony of Lord Shiva and Devi Parvati was fixed, everyone went North to witness it. As a result, the Northern part of India along with the Himalayas started sinking into the Earth due to the weight and the Southern lands started raising. Lord Shiva sent Rishi Aghasthya to the South to level the land. Sage Aghasthya, as instructed, went to the Pothigai Hill. He was also blessed with the Divine vision to witness the Lord's marriage ceremony form where he was. Podhigai Hill, also known as Aghasthiyar Malai (Agasthyar Mountain), is a part of the Anaimalai Hills of the Western Ghats.

One thing that always confuses me is the time frames of the events. When Lord Ram visited Maharishi Aghasthya, he was in the Dandakaranya. Isn't he the one who suggests that the three of them stay in Panchavati. Sage Aghasthya had already humbled the Vindhya Parvata when Lord Ram came to visit him.

I think Lord Shiva and Devi Parvati's marriage must have got over long back when Ram came to visit Sage Aghasthya. If this is the case, then Maharishi Aghasthya must have shifted from the Podhigai Hills after the marriage was over and settled in Dandakaranya. Also, the contest between the sage and Ravana was said to have taken place in one of the Hills or Mountains near the Podhigai Hill.

Sorry for the vague reply. Will try to find out more.