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Why is it that when the people of Ayodhya wanted to throw out Kaikeyi, Ramji ignored them. But now that the people of Ayodhya are divided about Sitaji being queen of Ayodhya, Ramji is torn.

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: newmoon

Why is it that when the people of Ayodhya wanted to throw out Kaikeyi, Ramji ignored them. But now that the people of Ayodhya are divided about Sitaji being queen of Ayodhya, Ramji is torn.



Because Sita is the queen sitting on the throne of Ayodhya. What affects Sita affects the people of Ayodhya. Also, as their queen the people can question Sita. The matas are not queens anymore.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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I had already posted my views on this in 'Doubts and Discussions' thread. But I'll post it here too.

It was difficult for both of them (Ram and Sita). It was totally unfortunate that Sita had to be kidnapped by Ravan. As I have said before, this is a forever debated topic. I had thought about it too. Here is my reasoning:
Ram and Sita are always praised as the eternal couple. He, the perfect man and she as the perfect woman. Ram loved Sita so dearly. He knew and understood her very well. Sita too was ever devoted to her husband always understanding and never blaming him for what had to do.
In Ram's position he had to do what he did. First, it was a total dishonour to him that Ravan had kidnapped her - taken her away when he still lived. Sita had been given in marriage to him and it was his duty to protect his wife, but due to various reasons he couldn't (I'm not blaming him at all - just putting down the facts). Sita had been totally alarmed by Maareech's screams and was concerned for her husband (understandable). Lakshman had to leave - she was so scared that she threatened to kill herself if anything happens to Ram. Ravan had planned it well. And all three of them fell a prey to it. No one can blame anyone else except Ravan. It was a disgrace on Ram - his family, his honour, his bravery - that he let Sita get captured. He fought the war, won it and rescued her. This way, he fulfilled his duty of protecting her and vindicated his honour.
But there still remained the fact that she had lived in another man's home. Though he loved her a lot and was sure that she was always true to him and Ravan could not have done anything to her. He knew that if Ravan ever dared to, she would have killed herself rather than let him do anything. But the society was ever doubtful. A woman who leaves her husband's house and stays elsewhere will never be trusted by the public even though she is blameless. Ram couldn't accept her right away. The society would have said that he was blinded by the love of a woman and he took her back even though she was true. So, to uphold his, his family's honour he told her that she is free to go anywhere she pleases and that he had done his duty of freeing her from Ravan's clutches. This any common man too would have done (in those times - it was necessary to uphold their self esteem and honour more than anything else). A prince and future king of a mighty country would have to set his standars much higher than a common man. Thus, when she heard such harsh words Sita decided to undergo the Agni Pariksha and prove the world she was spotless. Ram never doubted her and it was extreme agony for him to watch his beloved walk into the fire. He too was aware of the disgrace she was being submitted to but he was aware that it was necessary that she vindicated her own honour. If the general public was open minded - the problem would have ended then and there.
But no, the society (with not much literate people and a lot of people who were skeptical) was not satisfied at all. This led to Ram banishing Sita even when she was carrying his heir. When the people started talking that they have to tollerate their womenfolk (wifes and daughters-in-law) leave their house and expect to be accepted back again Ram couldn't tollerate anymore. He was the King of a country - he had to uphold the name and honour of the family, his race. He had to uphold the honour of the country and his people. He could not reason out with that one point - if any woman had ever spoken back to her husband and said that Sri Ram himself had accpeted a woman who lived in another's house and why can't you - that would have been the final disgrace. If this rumour travelled beyond the borders of his kingdom, what will the other countries think of his people, his race and his own conduct and that of his wife - won't they say (the common people again - who constantly look for some news to chew with) that perhaps the whole country was like this? Ram did not have an answer to this - the people had very conveniently forgotten Sita's chastity and endurance and had spoken only of the fact that she had lived in another man's palace. As a king his first and foremost duty was to his subjects. This was why he had to banish Sita, his beloved queen and wife. His agony over the separation was no less than hers.
Did Ram put the blame on himself willingly, consciously and wantedly? I have no answer to this. All I know was that he was conscious of the effects of this - he wont be able to see his wife again (till his subjects accept her), he might not be able crown his son (if a son was born) as king (I said might - when he had banished her he couldn't still contact or correspond with her at all - he wont know what happens to her at all) and since he had taken up a vow that he will mary only once in his life and his one and only wife was Sita, he will practically be heirless (If Kush and Luv had not turned up, Bharat would have been the next king and his sons kings after him - it would still be the rule of the Surya Vanshi) and if the future generations believed his wife to be pure (I'm sure he would have hoped for it) then the blame for banishing a chaste woman - his own wife - the very question asked "How could he do this to her?"
Sita was his wife - his responsibilty. She would always be his wife. But the Queen of Ayodhya must be accepted universally by all in the country. When such an insult (the people saying "Whatever it may have been - she had lived elsewhere") on her the people would have never accepted her whole heartedly as the queen. And Ram would never force his subjects to accpet Sita as the queen against their wishes.
As for Sita, she couldn't help the turn of events either. She understood why her husband took such a decision but that only served to make the agony more painful. She was sinless but she had to bear the shame, pain and torture.
Sita's conduct was most glorious during her captivity but also the most controversial (in those times). Some people have to suffer more than their share because their suffering is not witnessed, not observable and not appreciated. (These words, I have copied word to word from a book - The Story of Rama - Narendra K. Sinha). The people did not ask whether she should be rewarded for her conduct but instead asked shouldn't she be punished for it (living in another's home). The decision of the King was inherent in this attitude of his people. The king, in this matter, was helpless. He had no choice.

Much of the common folk had mis - interpreted this incident. Apart from the rumour of whether Sita was chaste or not, there was the rumour that Ram himself needed proof - he himself tested Sita. Though Ram did not do it for this reason, by asking her to vinidcate her own honour, he did create this impression on his people. I hate it when people catch hold of a wrong concept and blow it up so big.😡
So, the couple sacrificed themselves for the public opinion and to uphold the honour of not only the family but also the whole country.
I hope all this makes sense and its not too winding. I've just put down all my reasoning regarding this issue. Hence, for these reasons - I couldn't blame Ram for it - he suffered by this too. Thus, I decided to just take it as it was presented - an unfortunate incident, though it did good to the world had sacrificed the happiness, peace and the life of a couple who should have lived and enjoyed their life to the fullest.
If there are any points I have missed or if there is any other explanations (for or against) please share it with me.

Regarding Rajmata Kaikeyi, I don't think that the comparison is right. Both their cases were entirely different.

Rajmata Kaikeyi asked for the boons promised to her (I'm not saying what she did was correct) and she did repent her deeds. She had paid dearly for her mistake. Sita was not to be blamed at all. She made no mistake and what was done to her was because her sufferings were not noticed by many. Some people have to suffer more because their earlier suffering is not seen by everyone.

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Posted: 16 years ago
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^^^^^ Wow so nicely explained. Raja Ram did what he had to do. But this doesn't less their love for each other in any way. They both suffered in the story of Ramayan, which is not just a love story but it is bigger that that it is about friendship, honor, loyalty, brotherhood, duty to your parents and loving your parents, being honest and keeping your word even if it kills you, and sacrifice which is mainly represented by the sacrifice of Ram and Sita. In then end ultimately Siya-Ram are an example for the end of all times on what a truly eternal couple should be like. Events of Ramayan who did what or why this happened will always be debated, but I think if there is one thing that will stay constant forever is no one ever can question Sita Ram divinity as an ideal pair,
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Woow Vibs Great explanation...
i got emotional while reading your take...
whatsoever is the thing Ramji and Sitaji suffered alot for us guys to teach us some lesson but are these lesson just remain as benchmark, as in today's world who care to follow them😔
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Posted: 16 years ago
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^^^^ That is true my friend. We can only adapt to some of their ideals, but no way a normal human can be as great as they were. But I guess are we expected to it is not possible is it. Today world is filled with too many evils and seductions.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Great Explanation Vibhishan! I think to avoid this ambiguity among people, Luv Kush had sung Ramayan Epic in different places. They are the brand ambassadors for their parents story
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Vibhishna

I had already posted my views on this in 'Doubts and Discussions' thread. But I'll post it here too.

It was difficult for both of them (Ram and Sita). It was totally unfortunate that Sita had to be kidnapped by Ravan. As I have said before, this is a forever debated topic. I had thought about it too. Here is my reasoning:
Ram and Sita are always praised as the eternal couple. He, the perfect man and she as the perfect woman. Ram loved Sita so dearly. He knew and understood her very well. Sita too was ever devoted to her husband always understanding and never blaming him for what had to do.
In Ram's position he had to do what he did. First, it was a total dishonour to him that Ravan had kidnapped her - taken her away when he still lived. Sita had been given in marriage to him and it was his duty to protect his wife, but due to various reasons he couldn't (I'm not blaming him at all - just putting down the facts). Sita had been totally alarmed by Maareech's screams and was concerned for her husband (understandable). Lakshman had to leave - she was so scared that she threatened to kill herself if anything happens to Ram. Ravan had planned it well. And all three of them fell a prey to it. No one can blame anyone else except Ravan. It was a disgrace on Ram - his family, his honour, his bravery - that he let Sita get captured. He fought the war, won it and rescued her. This way, he fulfilled his duty of protecting her and vindicated his honour.
But there still remained the fact that she had lived in another man's home. Though he loved her a lot and was sure that she was always true to him and Ravan could not have done anything to her. He knew that if Ravan ever dared to, she would have killed herself rather than let him do anything. But the society was ever doubtful. A woman who leaves her husband's house and stays elsewhere will never be trusted by the public even though she is blameless. Ram couldn't accept her right away. The society would have said that he was blinded by the love of a woman and he took her back even though she was true. So, to uphold his, his family's honour he told her that she is free to go anywhere she pleases and that he had done his duty of freeing her from Ravan's clutches. This any common man too would have done (in those times - it was necessary to uphold their self esteem and honour more than anything else). A prince and future king of a mighty country would have to set his standars much higher than a common man. Thus, when she heard such harsh words Sita decided to undergo the Agni Pariksha and prove the world she was spotless. Ram never doubted her and it was extreme agony for him to watch his beloved walk into the fire. He too was aware of the disgrace she was being submitted to but he was aware that it was necessary that she vindicated her own honour. If the general public was open minded - the problem would have ended then and there.
But no, the society (with not much literate people and a lot of people who were skeptical) was not satisfied at all. This led to Ram banishing Sita even when she was carrying his heir. When the people started talking that they have to tollerate their womenfolk (wifes and daughters-in-law) leave their house and expect to be accepted back again Ram couldn't tollerate anymore. He was the King of a country - he had to uphold the name and honour of the family, his race. He had to uphold the honour of the country and his people. He could not reason out with that one point - if any woman had ever spoken back to her husband and said that Sri Ram himself had accpeted a woman who lived in another's house and why can't you - that would have been the final disgrace. If this rumour travelled beyond the borders of his kingdom, what will the other countries think of his people, his race and his own conduct and that of his wife - won't they say (the common people again - who constantly look for some news to chew with) that perhaps the whole country was like this? Ram did not have an answer to this - the people had very conveniently forgotten Sita's chastity and endurance and had spoken only of the fact that she had lived in another man's palace. As a king his first and foremost duty was to his subjects. This was why he had to banish Sita, his beloved queen and wife. His agony over the separation was no less than hers.
Did Ram put the blame on himself willingly, consciously and wantedly? I have no answer to this. All I know was that he was conscious of the effects of this - he wont be able to see his wife again (till his subjects accept her), he might not be able crown his son (if a son was born) as king (I said might - when he had banished her he couldn't still contact or correspond with her at all - he wont know what happens to her at all) and since he had taken up a vow that he will mary only once in his life and his one and only wife was Sita, he will practically be heirless (If Kush and Luv had not turned up, Bharat would have been the next king and his sons kings after him - it would still be the rule of the Surya Vanshi) and if the future generations believed his wife to be pure (I'm sure he would have hoped for it) then the blame for banishing a chaste woman - his own wife - the very question asked "How could he do this to her?"
Sita was his wife - his responsibilty. She would always be his wife. But the Queen of Ayodhya must be accepted universally by all in the country. When such an insult (the people saying "Whatever it may have been - she had lived elsewhere") on her the people would have never accepted her whole heartedly as the queen. And Ram would never force his subjects to accpet Sita as the queen against their wishes.
As for Sita, she couldn't help the turn of events either. She understood why her husband took such a decision but that only served to make the agony more painful. She was sinless but she had to bear the shame, pain and torture.
Sita's conduct was most glorious during her captivity but also the most controversial (in those times). Some people have to suffer more than their share because their suffering is not witnessed, not observable and not appreciated. (These words, I have copied word to word from a book - The Story of Rama - Narendra K. Sinha). The people did not ask whether she should be rewarded for her conduct but instead asked shouldn't she be punished for it (living in another's home). The decision of the King was inherent in this attitude of his people. The king, in this matter, was helpless. He had no choice.

Much of the common folk had mis - interpreted this incident. Apart from the rumour of whether Sita was chaste or not, there was the rumour that Ram himself needed proof - he himself tested Sita. Though Ram did not do it for this reason, by asking her to vinidcate her own honour, he did create this impression on his people. I hate it when people catch hold of a wrong concept and blow it up so big.😡
So, the couple sacrificed themselves for the public opinion and to uphold the honour of not only the family but also the whole country.
I hope all this makes sense and its not too winding. I've just put down all my reasoning regarding this issue. Hence, for these reasons - I couldn't blame Ram for it - he suffered by this too. Thus, I decided to just take it as it was presented - an unfortunate incident, though it did good to the world had sacrificed the happiness, peace and the life of a couple who should have lived and enjoyed their life to the fullest.
If there are any points I have missed or if there is any other explanations (for or against) please share it with me.

Regarding Rajmata Kaikeyi, I don't think that the comparison is right. Both their cases were entirely different.

Rajmata Kaikeyi asked for the boons promised to her (I'm not saying what she did was correct) and she did repent her deeds. She had paid dearly for her mistake. Sita was not to be blamed at all. She made no mistake and what was done to her was because her sufferings were not noticed by many. Some people have to suffer more because their earlier suffering is not seen by everyone.

must say !! gr8 explanation !!!!!😊
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Thanks for the explanation Vibhishan. Upto now in the story, Ramji has been seen as a promoter of equality between man and wife, and has always respected women in the form of mother, sister, wife etc. I do not doubt that he loved Sita dearly and suffered from her separation. I can also understand that the people of Ayodhya who did not share his values believed Sita was unfit to be the queen. But whether she was fit to be his wife was still upto his personal judgement. He knew she was blameless and as her husband he had vowed to take care of her all his life. I feel that banishing Sita without providing her with his protection or support was not a good precedent for future generations. Regardless of what transpired, Ram and Sita will always remain the ideal couple for all.
I can't wait to see how the Sagar's show this difficult episode in their lives.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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very nicely explained vibs

@newmoon-
Ram did make provision for her safe shelther. He asked Laxman to leave her near valmiki Ashram. I think valmiki ashram was more safe n pious for pregnent Sita than that luxorious ayodhya where people were so hypocrate They just got separated for the world but their bond n love was never broke.

A good ruler is one who can foresee the future situation n can take apt decision in present. The doubt wud have taken a dirty shape n people might have denied to accept luv-kush as heir had Ram not done that

One of the most important duty of husband is to protect the honour of his wife. Hope u'll agree. Is it anyway less important than the other duties of a husband? It was done for her honour. If Ram had not taken any action to remove the doubts some people wud have said that Ram is very Mahaan but what abt Sita's image? He cared for her honour more than his own. He knew that when people will realise their mistake the same people will again blame Ram for abandoning sita. He knew that his own image will get hurt while upholding her image but he dared to do so.

I'venever found such example of love n sacrifice in any love stories or epics or novel. u r right they r the ideal husband an wife--- the eternal pair

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