Who is to blame for the exile

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Who do you think is to blame for Ram and Sitaji's exile?

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Posted: 16 years ago
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So what do you think, guys?😊

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Obviously, Kaikeyi..

bcoz once u start blaming Fate, then everything can be blamed to Fate.

and not Manthara, bcoz she gave advice. But Kaikeyi carried it out.

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Posted: 16 years ago
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it was gods himself dicission yaar to kill the demons...so no one cud be actually blamed....kakiye and manthara were just mediums to b put forward ....but as it's a human nature to bring out a paricular person for any situation happened...so we will either kakiye or manthara.....
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Posted: 16 years ago
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i think fate but manthra also
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Posted: 16 years ago
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i respect ur opinion.


And once u say, ' it is human nature.. " then it got different logic.

i mean, she asked, "what do u think guys ?"
it means, we have to say, what do we think. 'we humans.'

and if u say, it is human nature to blame a person or situation, and if u didn't blame a person/situation.. then u r not thinking by 'human nature' ? is this logic correct ?

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but if i want to learn some good things from this epic. then i have to see, what not to do, and what to do. and which are bad actions.

this is my belief, that whatever bad decisions, anyone was taking in this, was bad decision by that person, and he/she cud change his opinion.
It was ravan's choice to kidnap sitaji.
it was soorpnakha's choice to seduce Lakshman.
it was mareech's choice.

Fate comes, when u take a good decisions, but circumstances, situaltion don't go according to ur plan. and u don't get desired result.

This idea, that, every character in the Ramayan, was doing whatever he was doing, just bcoz so that Shri Ram can kill Ravan in the end, is very new to me. And whateve good/bad everyone did. they just followed a program. so noone was good/bad.


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Posted: 16 years ago
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Whatever happens happens for good..that's all i can say..I believe what you get is what you deserve and it's for your betterment..God can never be wrong....If Kaikayi didn't send Ram to exile , people would not remember him as God Ram but as any other raja/rajkumar who was born in ishvaku vansh..

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Posted: 16 years ago
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I think it depends on how you view the issue. If you think about it, it was fate, because what was the real reason Shri Ram was born? To be king or...something else? Only 1/4 of it was because King Dasharath performed the Putrakameshti Yagna. Darsharathji desired a son, but why did Lord Vishnu himself have to come as his son? Anyone could have been born as Dasharath and Kaushalya's son, right? Any of the Devas, Gandharvars, Kinnaras, etc could have been born as Dasharathji's son, but why did Lord Vishnu himself come?
That's because he, and only he could kill Ravan. There were many great and strong people and sages who had the strengrth to kill Ravan, but because of curses, it fell on Lod Vishnu to kill him. The curse of King Anawrata of the Ikshvaku Dynasty said only a person born in his family could kill Ravan, and you all know there were lots more curses Ravan had, so bascially, what I'm saying is, only one born in Dasharathji's house could kill Ravan, and also, Lord Vishnu, so you see, Lord Vishnu had to take birth in the Raghu Vansh, live like a Human Being, and eventually, suffer like every Human being does.
You all know the character of Manthara, and her personality. She disliked Shri Ram even before he was proclaimed future King, and she tried many times to change Mata Kaikeyi's affection for him, but why was it that only at the time Dasharath proclaimed shri Ram as future king, Manthara's words poisoned Kaikeyi's mind? Why not any time else? Why was it that every other time, Kaikeyi told Manthara to hold her tongue and stop talking nonsense?
That's because it was fate that Shri Ram had to kill Ravan, and he couldn't exactly kill him while ruling the kingdom of Ayodhya, could he? Shiva's vahana Nandi once cursed Ravan that Vanaras would have a hand in killing him, so that's why Sugriv's vanaras became Shri Ram's army instead of the soldiers of Ayodhya.
I also once heard a story from my grandmother and mother that after Dasharath proclaimed his son as future Raja, Goddess Saraswati came down from heaven in a very miniscule form (smaller than an atom) and sat on the tongue of Manthara, so that whatever Manthara said would influence Kaikeyi instead of being ignored like all the other times. Only after Bharat disowned his mother did the maya of Goddess Saraswati disappear, leaving Kaikeyi very confused with her actions and wondering why she had done what she did.
And I don't blame Kaikeyi at all for what happened, because it says in the Ramayan that she loved Ram equal to, if not better than, her own son Bharat. It was the maya of Goddess Saraswati that influenced her actions, because Shri Ram had to be exiled, and Ravan had to be killed.
But if you think about the Ramayana in a story kind of way, and relate it to these days, I guess most people would blame Manthara and Kaikeyi more than fate. Even then, I would blame Manthara more than Kaikeyi.
I think this issue is very interesting to think about. That's why I created this post. I wanted to read everyone's opinions about who was to blame for the exile.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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I would definitely say Fate has the BIGGEST role...but there has to be contributing factors...After all everything in the world works according to GOD's will (nothing more & nothing less)!!!! Lord Vishnu took the avtar of Shree Ram for the main reasoning of killing Ravan!!!! How else would he have reached Vanvas if it wasn't from Kaikey's 2 boons from the king...with the help of Manthara!!!!! If Shree Ram did not go to Vanvas then Ravan would of continued to obviously destroy the innocent without cause & all the disgusting things he had done to women!!!!!!
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Like the saying goes "Everything Happens for a Reason".....holds very true in Ramayan & all things we come across in our own lives (be it good or bad)
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Posted: 16 years ago
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hehehe. i kept on writing more than 100 lines :-D

i had to delete those :-)

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yeah, Godisone, it is based more on our individual lives,
how we consider the whole religion, God, and our philosophy of life. and how does it affects our daily thinking.
Religion is not something a separate subject, like astronomy, that we all can discuss and can get agree and verify.

Everyone has his own version. 😊


Edited by Huduga - 16 years ago

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