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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: PandavPranayini



You got it right, Arti. Dakshayani or Daakshaayani, both are correct.😛
I too doubt whether Nagalakshmi exists or not in this show, and I'm sure we will not get to see actual story of Revathi Bhabhi and Dau (that's how I call them😛) but there are other versions out there in which she was a normal princess like others. So I don't mind her having to cross through Vrindavan to travel somewhere, and gets to meet Dau. I'm planning to make an edit on this scenerio but still hunting for the actress who suits her role for pics. I think positive fictionalisation is good, but not these Jatila Putra Ayan chronicles.😡
Your idea is good too, lol.😆



Thanks, Dakshayani, for always getting my name correct with only one A. 😊
I'm glad I got your's correct.

Lol at "Jatila Putra Ayan chronicles" - good one! ⭐️ I also don't mind positive fictionalisation to a point, although dragging of the story can get annoying at times.

I wish they would show more of the positive influences of parents on their kids with Yashoda-Krishna, Rohini-Balram, Nand with Krishna and Balram, etc instead of so much Jatila-Ayan plotting, and now with Kans as well! Seriously, Yashoda is such a celebrated mother in reality so they really should honour that instead of sidelining her. And they really should show more of Rohini with Balram, with him being her miracle son! She definitely deserves more screentime!

Another thing I would really appreciate seeing in RK is the boys herding some cows at some point! 😃 ⭐️
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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: PandavPranayini

All, I don't know whether you are interested or not, but I've a suggestion. Why not discuss the real Balram? I got this idea after reading the Basant article posted by Tusu. Balram is so underrated, unexplored and even though he was Krishna's soul, I don't see any Krishna devotees revering or remembering him much which is very disheartening. He is a very interesting character as well, as simple as he was. There are misconceptions about him too. So by discussing about him, we can learn more about him. What you guys have to say?



Great idea, Dakshayani! Shri Balram is one of my favourite deities/characters since childhood (he is just so cool!), so I'm all in for learning more about him. I'll be back with something to contribute soon! 😊
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Posted: 6 years ago
My replies in bold, Arti. 😃😳

Originally posted by: A-A-S



Thanks, Dakshayani, for always getting my name correct with only one A. 😊
I'm glad I got your's correct.

I'm glad too. 🤗

Lol at "Jatila Putra Ayan chronicles" - good one! ⭐️ I also don't mind positive fictionalisation to a point, although dragging of the story can get annoying at times.

And that's what this show does, showing positive fiction at a very fast pace or over dragging, and taking good care of the negative fiction. Thanks! That's what this show has become now. 🥱

I wish they would show more of the positive influences of parents on their kids with Yashoda-Krishna, Rohini-Balram, Nand with Krishna and Balram, etc instead of so much Jatila-Ayan plotting, and now with Kans as well! Seriously, Yashoda is such a celebrated mother in reality so they really should honour that instead of sidelining her. And they really should show more of Rohini with Balram, with him being her miracle son! She definitely deserves more screentime!

Another thing I would really appreciate seeing in RK is the boys herding some cows at some point! 😃 ⭐️

Hey Govind! Kaliyug ka vidhaan dekho! Ek Krishna katha mein ab tak yeh nahi hua? 😲

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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: A-A-S



Great idea, Dakshayani! Shri Balram is one of my favourite deities/characters since childhood (he is just so cool!), so I'm all in for learning more about him. I'll be back with something to contribute soon! 😊


Glad to know about this, Arti. 😃
If others are also interested, then I'll start it as I've a topic in my mind. 😊
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Posted: 6 years ago
@Daakshayani good suggestion it will help us to know about Balram more , he deserve it n u r right people have misconception about him more..
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Posted: 6 years ago
Aarti , Daakshayani I told it long ago,, but good reputated actor , or good RK n KaRam scenes make fans forget n digest this negative ...
first show where less screen space for Rohini n Yashoda ..
First show where less screen space for Cow n Krishna n Balram n co never went with Cows some where
but instead of getting Ayanlila n their conspiracy its more about 50 shades of Ayanlila conspiracy
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Posted: 6 years ago
I'm disappointed that they didn't even touch on Balram's birth story in the show, as he was a "miracle baby" (my words) for Rohini, Devki and Vasudev. ⭐️

So here is my first contribution to the discussions about the real Shri Balram - his birth story, I guess mostly for anyone who doesn't already know it.

It is said that Sheshnaag incarnated as Devki's seventh child after her first six sons had been killed by Kans, so that he would be born as Krishna's elder brother. But during Devki's seventh pregnancy, on the request of Shri Krishna/Vishnu, Devi Yogmaya extracted and transferred the unborn Balram from Devki's womb into the womb of Rohini, Vasudev's first wife, who was living in/went to live in Nand's home in Gokul for safety. So Balram was born of Rohini rather than Devki, and for all intents and purposes, everyone at the time thought that Devki's seventh pregnancy ended in a miscarriage. This also confused Kans as to whether the child of Devki's eighth pregnancy (Krishna, or baby Yogmaya as they originally thought) was actually to be considered her seventh or eighth child. This womb-transfer is also why another name of Shri Balram is Sankarshan (one meaning of the word "sankarshan" is "extraction").

This allowed Balram to be born safely and so be around to help Krishna for his whole life - the purpose of Sheshnaag's incarnation - and also, there is a story that Rohini was a reincarnation/re-birth of Devi Kadru who is the mother of all snakes (including Sheshnaag), and that Sheshnaag wanted to honour his mother by having his incarnation be born of her in her then-current existence (which is so sweet!).😊

Devki is said to be a reincarnation of Devi Aditi, mother of the Devs, and Vasudev a reincarnation of Rishi Kashyap, husband of Aditi, Kadru and many others and father of practically everyone (Devs, snakes, asurs, etc etc). Krishna/Vishnu is said to have been born 3 times to this set of parents - there are a few versions of this story. One is that he was born of them first when they were Prishni-Sutapa, then Aditi-Kashyap (in his Vaman avatar) and finally as Krishna to Devki-Vasudev. Another version is that he was first born of them when they were Aditi-Kashyap, and then secondly as Shri Rama when they were Kaushalya-Dashratha (and Sumitra was a reincarnation of Kadru and gave birth to Sheshnaag's incarnation Lakshman), and then finally as Krishna to Devki-Vasudev.

And so Balram was born of Rohini-Vasudev, the reincarnations of Sheshnaag's parents, Kadru and Kashyap, but was still also considered to be the seventh child of Devki as well. And we can also consider Balram to be one of the first people to have 3 biological parents! 😊

Another point sometimes raised is that by having Balram be born of Rohini instead of Devki, Krishna could be born earlier on Earth than if Devki had given birth to Balram, although it is generally stated that Balram was 3 years older than Krishna, so I don't know about this speeding-up theory.

There are many interpretations of this story but hopefully you get my overall point - this is all written off the top of my head from my understanding of things that I have learnt. I do wish they had at least mentioned this story a little bit in the show as is is so interesting and has much meaning!

Coming back to the RK show, it kind of looks like they are insinuating (I think this is possible purely because they haven't actually said anything!) that Rohini is a second wife of Nand and that Balram is the son of Rohini and Nand here, which is unnecessary. It's fine that Balram calls Nand "baba" as he is his father figure but I do find it strange if they are actually insinuating that Balram isn't Vasudev's son (they might not be but it seems that way a bit), especially seeing as Balram knows exactly who he is (as well as who Krishna and Radha are) and so would then be aware of how he was born, etc etc. Not a major thing, but this is one example when they have left out a really cool known story from the show, which could still be potentially unknown to many viewers, just to hurry up to getting the characters teen-aged to display the Radha-Krishna meaning-of-love theme.

I do like that Balram's teeka in this show is a plough, to have the iconography there constantly, with him being the God of Agriculture. ⭐️ Most shows have a snake teeka for Balram, which is fine when he is older, but I like the idea of the plough when he is younger and out working the fields etc. (They should show that some time!) I also like the unique snake ear pieces for the Sheshnaag symbolism. And I'm glad his costume is mostly blue, in keeping with Balram's iconography - in one mytho show they had Balram exclusively in red and gold and it just didn't seem "right"!

And to quote Basant from the article posted here earlier today: "Balram is not just a character, but the symbol of a common person for me. His challenges have made him a hero. Thanks to my directors and team, I was capable of pulling it off. I read books on Balram, and discussed a lot with my creative to get the right detailing" - this sounds like the reasoning behind why Basant is playing Balram as a mirror of the audience, with him reacting to things/asking Krishna things that we generally think when we're watching the goings-on unfold in the show. Good work, Basant - I always knew you were a smart cookie! ⭐️👏😃

Ok, so there's my contribution for today. Hope you enjoyed it and good night!
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Posted: 6 years ago
Thanks for posting the entire story with your inputs, Arti. I have read a slightly different version though. Instead of Prishni - Sutapa, it was Dasharatha and Kaushalya, reincarnations of Aditi and Kashyapa who gave birth to Vishnu the second time (as Rama). Rohini was Kadru, and Sumitra in her previous birth as Balram was Lakshman then. This story is much much more beautiful than all this conspiracies according to me. They have unnecessarily fast-forwarded such stories, for example, they should have shown Radha being found by Vrishbhanu in a lotus, because Mahalakshmi is Ayonija. It would have been symbolic of her soul's purity despite her circumstances. I'm not saying there isn't a version like they showed, it is there, I'm just talking in general. Coming back to Balram's birth, it is said that he was born on Shraavana purnima, though I'm not sure about this info. Shraavana purnima refers to the festival of Rakhi. What do you all think about this? The universe's best bigbrother- Isn't it symbolic? 😉
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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: PandavPranayini

Thanks for posting the entire story with your inputs, Arti. I have read a slightly different version though. Instead of Prishni - Sutapa, it was Dasharatha and Kaushalya, reincarnations of Aditi and Kashyapa who gave birth to Vishnu the second time (as Rama). Rohini was Kadru, and Sumitra in her previous birth as Balram was Lakshman then. This story is much much more beautiful than all this conspiracies according to me. They have unnecessarily fast-forwarded such stories, for example, they should have shown Radha being found by Vrishbhanu in a lotus, because Mahalakshmi is Ayonija. It would have been symbolic of her soul's purity despite her circumstances. I'm not saying there isn't a version like they showed, it is there, I'm just talking in general. Coming back to Balram's birth, it is said that he was born on Shraavana purnima, though I'm not sure about this info. Shraavana purnima refers to the festival of Rakhi. What do you all think about this? The universe's best big brother- Isn't it symbolic? 😉



Dakshayani, thanks!

I have also heard about Dashratha-Kaushalya-Sumitra being reincarnations of Kashyap-Aditi-Kadru, but I have also heard another story of Dashratha-Kaushalya being reincarnations of Manu-Shatrupa. I have added this second version that you mentioned to my earlier post for more completeness. As with everything from ancient times, there are so many versions of stories that we now hear, but in either case, it is all lovely symbolism of (in this case) parent-child bonds through the ages! ⭐️

I think it would have been nice if they'd shown Radha being found in a lotus as an Ayonija kanya but I'm also fine with what they showed in the show. At least they didn't have Radha being carried off by Putana as well! 😆

I actually really like the symbolism of Balram Jayanti being celebrated on the day of Rakshabandhan/Shraavan purnima, whether he was actually born then or not, because he is such an awesome brother to both Krishna and Subhadra. I love the way you put it - "the universe's best big brother"! ⭐️

Good night! 😊
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Posted: 6 years ago
@tusu! Yes yes dear! Am reading mahi's FF right away! Considering, how excited i was to read it, ik its too late, 😆 but i have got a lot of connectivity issues these days!😭
Also, thanks for the article! He seems very focused yaar!😳 As if, he has come in the industry with a goal! Not randomly, like, 'LETS SEE, WHERE THIS GOES' type! He and sumedh, both have this, focused mind, i love that about them!⭐️⭐️⭐️

@A-A-S and @janaki di

Balram discussion thread is a FANTASTIC idea! I would love love love to discuss and know more about him! Basant's balram has already hooked me up to the character! Knowing about the real one, will be cherry on the cake!
Edited by J2lover - 6 years ago

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