Evil spells... 26.1.2015 - Page 4

Created

Last reply

Replies

40

Views

5k

Users

17

Likes

175

Frequent Posters

AnnzSageflower7 thumbnail
11th Anniversary Thumbnail Rocker Thumbnail + 5
Posted: 10 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: flora212

^^ Sage I disagree on part that Ahil is not giving chance to Sanam to explain. He gave her numerous time though he didn't say but his eyes spoke and Sanam knew it but she still remaining silent. Why? Sanam never tried nor wanted to tell the truth all she wanted to reveal Tanveer's true face infront of Ahil in which her and her team attempt is failing again and again. And secondly ofcourse Seher is blamed for the misunderstanding between Sahil. But she doesn't seem at all guilty about it and you are talking about apologies to Ahil. Huh! As Seher won't or will never love to reveal her secret, Sanam should do! Why she is keeping her husband in dark? If Seher really have guts to speak to Ahil I swear I will love her on that but again if her apologise and ever she say is a true. She is the one who created the rift between Sahil but she still and will never be guilty of it.


Well said.

I echo your frustration that Sanam didn't try hard enough. But that blame I place upon the writers.

They don't want Sanam to explain herself, because they wanted to drag the story out. Weak script is the issue there. They tried to fill up that void of a decent conversation with meaningless trips and catches which undermined their characters alot.

Another thing I really dislike is Sanam's acceptance of punishment that is undeserving. This from a girl who refused to bow her head in apology for insulting his Ammi.

Sanam's lack of action is so frustrating. Neither is she apologizing, or objecting. She is just placidly accepting her punishment with no expiration date. Ugh.

But I still fell there is time for Seher to apologize.
The twin secret was kept FROM TANVEER. So She couldn't use it against them.

Now that the Devil knows it herself, what keeping them from telling the harmless Aahil?
Lazy writing with giant loopholes.
flora212 thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Stunner Thumbnail + 3
Posted: 10 years ago
#32

Originally posted by: sageflower7


Well said.

I echo your frustration that Sanam didn't try hard enough. But that blame I place upon the writers.

They don't want Sanam to explain herself, because they wanted to drag the story out. Weak script is the issue there. They tried to fill up that void of a decent conversation with meaningless trips and catches which undermined their characters alot.

Another thing I really dislike is Sanam's acceptance of punishment that is undeserving. This from a girl who refused to bow her head in apology for insulting his Ammi.

Sanam's lack of action is so frustrating. Neither is she apologizing, or objecting. She is just placidly accepting her punishment with no expiration date. Ugh.

But I still fell there is time for Seher to apologize.
The twin secret was kept FROM TANVEER. So She couldn't use it against them.

Now that the Devil knows it herself, what keeping them from telling the harmless Aahil?
Lazy writing with giant loopholes.

@bold blue this makes me feel like strangling the twins. And no Seher is becoming late in apologise department. When will she apologise? After Chidiya does ding dong with Ahil? After everything finishes?
AnnzSageflower7 thumbnail
11th Anniversary Thumbnail Rocker Thumbnail + 5
Posted: 10 years ago
#33

Originally posted by: JShukla

Sagey, I agree with all.

I too may not rat out my sister, but I would still take some time to be as forgiving to her if she chooses to screw my love life like Seher did it for Sanam.
About Sanam, yes, once she takes people in her innermost circle she gives them endless chances.
She is honestly the kind of family member, each family must have...
she didn't fall for Aahil overnight. She certainly felt a sexual pull and when she realized 'his dil is masoom like a child's ", and he was man enough to not only save a cook he detests, but a bedridden mother in law even when his wife claimed to leave him in next 3 months, she knew she is in love. Her journey of finally falling in love started when they realized how inadvertently similar they are on the inside and how well they connect to each other.
And Sehan have been really disappointing . But going by the character sketch of Seher, she always puts the blame on someone else.
She was late in confessing her past life and crimes to Rehan and she blamed it on bappa.
she screwed up an innocent couple's life and blamed it on Rehan's lack of interest in her.
then she said sheo would not have done this if she knew this was her sister...😕 So if this was not her sister, it is OKAY to screw up the life of a hapless woman?
But I always felt she'd make a heartfelt apology to Sanam and then along with Rehan own up her mess in front of Aahil. Infact there is no better time to do this than now. even Tanveer can't say that she knew about Seher..coz then Aahil would wonder why he was not told😛 But will they do it? NO. Which is why I think their act of trying to help Sanam falls flat. They may spout certain dialogs, but they don't really live up to it. Rehan has so many chances, why cant he walk upto Aahil(off course when he is alone) hand in hand or better hand in waist with Seher and own up?
I think once Sanam sees sahil2 in the deed, she will go away from all these people and that's when Sehan will confess. and Also Ahil will hear that recording and love Sanam even more for 'not running away' and ' trying to help him get rid of guilt' while suffering alone.
Hopefully he will search like mad for her...ALONE please. I do not want Seher and Rehan around Sahil. they irritate the hell out of me.


Beautiful perspective Juhi...

@bold 👏

I would love to see this.

Before whenever Sanam and Aahil are in a frame oppsite each other, the scene drips with awareness and vibes. That connection has been cut. They look detached now. The Junoon is missing.

I'm hoping a dargah scene will recharge that. or maybe a short absence from each other will bring back that yearning.
AnnzSageflower7 thumbnail
11th Anniversary Thumbnail Rocker Thumbnail + 5
Posted: 10 years ago
#34

Originally posted by: flora212


The writers are intent on showing the distasteful "Fatal Attraction" drama with RaHaFa, and skimming on proper details on the main story. Those 3 people dominate full 5-6 minutes per episode, and the rest 7-8 people have to be crammed into the remaining 12-15 mins. Plus comic relief too.

Now if RaHaFa storyline had an important piece of info that linked or could solve the main story then it wouldn't matter. but no. That story could very well be in another serial altogether.

I think you are right. Sanam might see Aahil with Sanam2, and leave devastated. Then the only option left is for her to confess to Aahil...

224529 thumbnail
Posted: 10 years ago
#35

Originally posted by: sageflower7


Exactly.
Mandy and I are not saying SaHil should never be together, ever. I am saying this battle is lost for Sanam. She must retreat and rethink her strategy. If she and Aahil were meant to be the truth will come out.

I guess this 'victim-sacrificial lamb' situation is very regressive for a fellow woman to watch. Sanam is losing her self respect here, something her Badi Ammi was a fine example of.

Triv, what do you think would plant the seed of doubt in Aahil's mind about his Ammi?

Would the truth that he didn't kill his Father do that?



That truth of his father's death should actually but his faith and trust if too strong on Billi but maybe it will put a tiny seed of doubt in his mind? I will take that too. His reverence of Billi is sickening because we know her real face.

The twins truth will come out and should because the reason the hide and seek was going on is done with. Billi and trio knows about the twins. What in the world are they waiting for? Make Seher go and talk to Aahil, maybe Rehaan can go as a support too. I was getting really frustrated with this slow and lazy writing as you put it. What is the hold up?! Seher's confession SHOULD right all the wrongs done with and to Sanam. Seher didn't back away from telling the truth to Rehaan and Sanam. Telling Aahil the truth with the support of her sister and Rehaan shouldn't be too bad. And that's when it hit me.

If Seher does confess then Aahil will stop being bewildered with the two wives situation and go back to Sanam. They need to strengthen Sanam2's hold on him before that. So in comes the fake SR of Sahil2.🤢 He cannot put her away if he thinks he has consummated the marriage and it cannot be annulled. He cannot bring about another *gasp* scandal on the family name with a divorce. This is all just a ploy to stretch the sickening polygamy track. A way to permanently give a place to the new super vamp of the show because when Billi's truth comes out(with the twins truth coming out), Aahil WILL throw her out. She has already gone to jail for the crime so she cannot be punished for it but she won't have a place in IM anymore. Sanam2 will rule the roost then.

JShukla thumbnail
18th Anniversary Thumbnail Dazzler Thumbnail
Posted: 10 years ago
#36

Originally posted by: In-Sanity-Metis



That truth of his father's death should actually but his faith and trust if too strong on Billi but maybe it will put a tiny seed of doubt in his mind? I will take that too. His reverence of Billi is sickening because we know her real face.

The twins truth will come out and should because the reason the hide and seek was going on is done with. Billi and trio knows about the twins. What in the world are they waiting for? Make Seher go and talk to Aahil, maybe Rehaan can go as a support too. I was getting really frustrated with this slow and lazy writing as you put it. What is the hold up?! Seher's confession SHOULD right all the wrongs done with and to Sanam. Seher didn't back away from telling the truth to Rehaan and Sanam. Telling Aahil the truth with the support of her sister and Rehaan shouldn't be too bad. And that's when it hit me.

If Seher does confess then Aahil will stop being bewildered with the two wives situation and go back to Sanam. They need to strengthen Sanam2's hold on him before that. So in comes the fake SR of Sahil2.🤢 He cannot put her away if he thinks he has consummated the marriage and it cannot be annulled. He cannot bring about another *gasp* scandal on the family name with a divorce. This is all just a ploy to stretch the sickening polygamy track. A way to permanently give a place to the new super vamp of the show because when Billi's truth comes out(with the twins truth coming out), Aahil WILL throw her out. She has already gone to jail for the crime so she cannot be punished for it but she won't have a place in IM anymore. Sanam2 will rule the roost then.

I agree with everything...
for the underlined, the bad part of writing is that viewers like us are able to see through it. we are able to realize why certain things are a hold up. While it should actually be the opposite... And this precisely is lazy writing like no other.
SheAish thumbnail
11th Anniversary Thumbnail Voyager Thumbnail
Posted: 10 years ago
#37
[QUOTE=sageflower7
I'm sorry Aish, but I don't blame Sanam, because I myself wouldn't rat out my sister to save myself. Especially since she was given the worse end of the stick in life and ended up fending for herself by stealing.

Sanam was kidnapped. By Razia Bi. She fought to come back to him and failed multiple times. She almost died being choked, being submerged in water, being overdosed.

Sanam is all about giving people chances and forgiving them. She gave Aahil many chances too didn't she?

All she is asking him is for a chance to explain what happened , which he is not granting her.
(Okay she appears as though not trying hard enough, but that's the writers' fault😆)

Why are we forgetting that she didn't run away from the wedding?

Seher did that.

I believe it is Seher's responsibility to explain herself to Aahil and apologize herself.
It's not Sanam's responsibility to explain to Aahil. But Seher's.

This issue is between Seher and Aahil. WHy should Sanam be punished for it?

I had a notion yesterday when she felt bad looking at her sister's desolation. I thought for a moment, that she was contemplating a confession.

Rehan won't punish her if she confesses, in fact he would love her more for it IMO.

I have maintained that Seher must be held accountable for her actions. I felt disappointment that Rehan didn't make her do it; that Rehan too joined the band wagon of keeping secrets from Aahil.

Friends have told me to let go of this notion, because in serials, "Yeh hota hai" things just slide away.

Doing things in secret is Tanveer's forte, not Sanam-Seher-Rehan's. They should've had everything bang out in the open in front of Aahil, instead of hiding.

But if things were done logically , then QH would have ended a long time ago.😆

Coming to Aahil...

Yes, he fell hard for her, took a long time to do it. But to his defense he really tried to make up for it when he perceived Sanam(Seher) as aloof.

You can't blame someone for being less than sharp. So, he didn't recognize that the woman before him wasn't his wife. Even Tanveer was fooled.

I absolutely get why he was so devastated. He pleaded with Sanam (Seher) to let go of their troubled past, and grant him a fresh start. He proposed to her, admitted awkwardly before her on not understanding women well. And she continued to rebuff his advances, which hurt him terribly.

Poor ego must've hurt badly. And then announcing before all that he loved her so much and she was his soulmate. He was so happy... (poor sod) even Rehan felt his happiness infectious.

Then the sky fell on his head and he saw himself married to a stranger. Imagine how devastating that is.

Then she appears, expecting him to be forgiving.

Remember sometime back, when Sanam went against his wishes and investigated about his Father's death? After a tantrum he remade the dream house he broke in rage?

She apologized, and he forgave her so quickly that she was shocked. She insisted to make it up to him properly. This is many times over that limit.

If I fault Aahil at all it is for two things:
one: For not giving Sanam a chance to explain
two: For allowing Ammi to force Sanam2 on to him as the preferred wife. For not making a stand on his own.

This became long...

IN short SaHil are in this state because Seher doesn't have the guts to go and apologize to Aahil herself.

Edit: I forgot Sanam2...

I truly thought she came thinking she had a fresh start and a chance at a happy life. If she meant bad since the start she wouldn't have tried to be nice and helped Sanam and Seher at all.

Because she was on the losing end, she is fighting to keep her right there. After all Aahil did announce that she is his official Begum, all endorsed by Begum Sahiba herself?

Her methods are wrong of course. Because she tried endearing herself to AahilJi, but he was having none of it. And having to watch his eyelocks with Sanam must be difficult.



I didn't see this earlier so couldn't reply, sorry dear...

Anyways, I think I made it quite clear in the forum as to how much Seher and now even Rehan somewhat is to be blamed for the continued discord between Sahil...

But my point was it is unfair to blame Ahil totally while all the sympathy is being bestowed on Sanam for what is happening with them.

I clearly said in my post that I am just going to talk about Sanam and Ahil and their actions with regards to their status quo right now...not others though I did touch up on others...

And I'm not forgetting Seher's role in all this at all...but when talking about leaving him at the alter I'm talking from Ahil's point of view...for him Sanam left him so his actions are based on that...his actions are based on what has been painted out for him by everyone,,,,and ALSO by Sanam...while Sanam has the advantage of having the complete picture...

I'm simply saying that while yes Ahil is to be fully blamed for publicly announcing Sanam2 as his wife and thus putting all three of them in a polygamous situation, Sanam is more to be blamed for the continuation of this for so long...

And yes I do blame Sanam for not telling AHil about the twin, because she knows Ahil very well and she can easily make him just accept Seher with all the "warts" and "boils" so to speak including her stint as his flighty wife for a week...

For me now it comes off as if she just don't want to let Ahil know about the swap because she does not want her to come off in a bad light and so just expects Ahil to forgive 'Sanam' for leaving him at the wedding without an explanation ever...

It can happen since Ahil loves Sanam, but the trust would have to be built slowly and this slowly is where Sanam is to be blamed...the easier and faster route with damage control is there but she is choosing the long route...
While Sanam's magnanimity towards family is to be admired, she is not being this magnanimous and loyal to Ahil...I would still accepet her generosity of spirit towards her sister if someone else is not being tricked, fooled and yes even hurt in the process...It all just comes down to fairness in my perspective...
Being good and pure is also about being fair and she is not being fair with Ahil at all...nor is she being fair with Sanam2 either...
Nor is Ahil being fair to Sanam2 or even Sanam either..but then I have not seen anyone overlook his role in all this, we have all been very vocal about him and his faults while Sanam is rarely blamed for anything...Ahil could take a stand and accept Sanam2 and divorce Sanam or the opposite...but here neither Sanam nor Ahil is making a stand...Sanam is still begging him for understanding without an explanation and happy to continue as his servant, while Ahil is happy to let her stay so he won't have to face whether he can let he go or not either...

Edit: As for lazy writing... lazy writing is to be blamed for pretty much every thing...for making Ahil come off as an 'abusive' jerk when he brought Sanam back; for chopping off all the shine from Sanam's character, for making Seher come off as an OTT character totally selfish and still stuck in her teens; for making Sehan selfcentric, for making Faiz a psycho out of nowhere, for making Sanam2 negative...etc...need i say more...

But the point is we can't deny how this lazy writing is making the characters come off less than desirable either...

Edited by SheAish - 10 years ago
KhatamKahani thumbnail
15th Anniversary Thumbnail Stunner Thumbnail Networker 1 Thumbnail
Posted: 10 years ago
#38
Sanam loses sympathy from me when she came back and continued on with the Charade.
Sanam was a victim and still is a victim. That's not denied.

But the fact that Aahil is also a victim is often overlooked. For me right now, Sanam is in no position to be in a higher ground than Aahil.

Why is Sanam's lack of explaining to Aahil chucked up to writers and used as an excuse? If every character is being blamed for the actions or lack of actions, why is Sanam getting a pass?

All she had to do, even if Aahil was not willing to listen to her, was come in front of him with her twin. That would make him stop and listen. Forgetting all the other times she had plenty an opportunity to talk to him and get him to listen. Aahil is not bothering to ask because he knows if Sanam really wanted to explain herself she would have done so. She's not bothering to do so. Aahil was angry and hurt and lashed out yes, but she had plenty an opportunity to explain it to him.

But no, she chose her sister, revenge and family over him. Sanam not being to explain has nothing to do with not getting any chance. It has everything to do with not wanting reveal her sister, either for revenge reasons, or to protect her sister. Okay, fine. But I don't like the double-standard of always accusing the male of choosing someone else over his wife, while giving the female a pass. When a male does it, he's a momma's boy, etc, etc. When a female does it, it's commendable? Aahil at least before AaHer has defended Sanam and stood up for her with Tanveer.

And Aahil would not have done anything to Seher. Sure he may be angry and refuse to speak with her, but Sanam wouldve convinced him to not retaliate or take any action against her. And he would've tried to be at least civil for Sanam's sake.

Had Sanam not known at all about Seher's impersonation, came back to find Aahil married and forced to work as servant, that is one thing. The fault would not be on Sanam. But she knows about what happened, she chose to work there as a servant, refusing to explain/reveal the twin secret, focused on revenge, and not only that...continued to allow Seher impersonate her in front of Aahil and with Aahil. The impersonation only stopped after the Rehan reveal. I would say once Rehan came into the picture, but even that is not true, because she allowed Seher to stand there as Sanam, not bothering to give any support, any anchor, not attempting to even talk to him, calm him, or anything--while Aahil was going to get such devastating news. (And to the genius trio, plan was that it would be even more devastating that it really was)

The writers are lazy, in that they don't have the guts to deal with the ramifications of the swap. I didn't have a problem with the swap storyline or the AaHer track, but it was never properly dealt with afterwards. Because had Aahil found out, it would have required very strong writing in order to deal with the ramifications.

So even if the twin news comes out now, still I don't blame Aahil now. Because what's the point of the twin reveal coming out now in front of Aahil? Only to "absolve" the twins. That's it. Well, such a late reveal without truly dealing with the damage it caused both before and after the no-show Wedding; a reveal brushing over the fact that the twins kept on playing him after they came to the mansion--that does nothing to absolve the twins. It only superficially absolves them so that the blame can all just be neatly placed conveniently on Aahil and just Aahil.

In my mind, I don't even fault Aahil for the polygamy. I fault him only for treating his wife (Sanam2) the way he is. Why should I blame him for polygamy when Sanam never did anything about it?Why is Aahil being blamed here exactly? For going along with a polygamous relationship which even Sanam never really objected to? Please. So he accepted the marriage. Err, he was willing to accept Nida, and accepted the surprise marriage with Sanam too. True he accepted it with Sanam because he loved her,but even so he still accepted it. He may have accepted the marriage with Sanam2 partly out of spite (though I think some of it was gratitude as well more so an extension of gratitude on his mother's part), but still so what? He accepted and Sanam had no problem going along with it. So what's his fault, other than the fact than the way he is treating Sanam2? When he treats her kindly or well, actually at that time I *don't* fault him. I fault him when he treats her indifferently or callously.

SheAish, word to all you've said.

Edit. I think Sanam2 may have been okay and content if she would've gotten a decent and good place as second wife. But things starting being clear to her, and then of course there was the idiot Seher who rubbed salt in her wounds, and then the taunting by Khala.


Edited by KhatamKahani - 10 years ago
minnie2308 thumbnail
17th Anniversary Thumbnail Dazzler Thumbnail
Posted: 10 years ago
#39
Liked your posts by leaps and bounds KK and SA...
I never thought that a feminist like me would actually speak up for a guy who is showing clear MCP tendencies and favor him over the newly turned doormat heroine..
today S2 threw Sanam1 out of her bedroom. And strangely I could not even fault any of the arguments she threw at Sanam1.
😆
Edited by minnie2308 - 10 years ago
SheAish thumbnail
11th Anniversary Thumbnail Voyager Thumbnail
Posted: 10 years ago
#40
^^ Minnie, today once again Sanam2 and Ahil is going to get the brickbats...and strangely enough Ahil is being blamed for something he is even unaware of...AND the stupidest thing about all this was that Sanam fell for it, hook, line and sinker...that too right after having witnessed Tanveer play the same game with them...

This time it clearly shows Sanam's lack of trust in Ahil as well...and Sanam has seen all about the lengths and breadths that Tanveer goes in tricking Ahil specially with that fake SR set up with 'Seher" and yet she still did not see Ahil as a victim in what ever is being played...

Seriously what made me lose interest in Q1 was also this lack of trust by Asad with regards to Tanveer and then by Zoya when she clearly knew Tanveer was going to play games and was specifically told by her that she would have SR with Asad...yet, when she came upon the drugged Asad and Tanveer of all places in a warehouse she just ran away after calling him weak and a cheater...

Sanam once again is falling for this and more than anything it just looks pathetic to me considering everything...
As for everyone wanting Sanam to leave now, why would Ahil think any differently about her knowing she already left him with no reason and find her doing it again without him being aware the reason,...why would it make him go begging for her when she clearly left him AGAIN...

And you are right about Sanam2,...the arguments she threw at Sanam were so true under the circumstances...
Edited by SheAish - 10 years ago

Related Topics

Top

Stay Connected with IndiaForums!

Be the first to know about the latest news, updates, and exclusive content.

Add to Home Screen!

Install this web app on your iPhone for the best experience. It's easy, just tap and then "Add to Home Screen".