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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: LaVita-E-Bella

Today's episode was a little disappointing for me. This whole Rajveer track has actually disappointed me.

Many people are happy that Zoya accepted her mistake in today's episode, but to be honest, for me at least, it felt like she didn't fully accept it. She accepted that Asad was right about Rajveer, but not that she should have been more careful about going out alone and shouldn't have taken a ride from a complete stranger. I even think she should have been scolded a little by Dilshaad. In the end Zoya handled the situation and showed Rajveer his place but it doesn't always work like that in reality.

I don't really understand the message that the show and channel were trying to portray to us. I wanted to make a post first when I read the message but thought I'd let this track play out. Delena90 already discussed most of what I felt but I want to add to it. The main reason the whole thing really bothers me is because they are trying to get a message out in the wrong way. Actually not even that, the whole message is twisted and makes no sense. I get that the show wants to stress the topic about not judging someone by the way they dress, but I don't understand how and why they are trying to connect wearing jeans to a girl getting raped. Yes just because a girl wears jeans does not mean she's available and just because she's friendly with a guy doesn't mean he can come and get it, but relating it to rape is kind of irrelevant. They should have stuck to one simple straight forward message and played it out instead of bringing it and connecting it to something else that has nothing to do with it. If they had left out the part about rape, then I would have more understood the message, but tying them both together just did not seem to make sense to me.

Unfortunately when such an incident does happen, the woman is blamed because she dressed a certain way and acted a certain way and brought it upon herself. But what people need to get is that shameless men will objectify a woman whether she is dressed in jeans, a skirt, salwar kameez, saree, or even burqa. There are sick people out there, and rape can happen to anyone and has happened to even girls who are covered head to toe so dress is least of the problems.

If they want to spread awareness of the issue, then show that anyone can be targeted, and instead of worrying about the way a girl is dressed, teach the public about safety and taking care of one's self. Tell young girls about the precautions they can take if they do have to go out alone and how to avoid landing in such a situation.

Zoya pointed out that men like Rajveer make her feel unsafe in her own country, well its a reality of the world, this happens in each and every country in each and every corner of the world. There are worst men out there than Rajveer who would've pulled their car to some deserted area and done God knows what to the girl. No country, no place is really 100% safe. It's not only a problem for women, but men and children as well. Horrible things other than rape can happen as well: kidnappings, murders, robberies etc etc. Why do parents not let their children play outside after dark? Why do they tell their kids not to talk to strangers? Unfortunately we live in a world that works this way.

Stepping out late at night alone does not make you available, but it does make you vulnerable. Rapists don't see what you're wearing, they see a woman, alone, and an opportunity.

In my opinion, the way I saw today's episode, instead of Zoya learning her lesson, they are showing and in a way pretty much telling people, "yeah it's okay to be walking in the middle of a stranded road alone at night and take a ride from some random guy who's staring at you creepily because as long as in the end you fix it and show him his place it's all good". No, not every girl is Zoya (or that lucky), and if it were real life and not reel, something most likely would have happened to her. I guess I was really bothered because when I read the statement of the message, they brought in the happenings of today and women being raped and tied it in with this storyline which doesn't even compare. This is just the way I saw the whole thing.



Lovely post, couldn't agree with you more! I think that the thought behind the track was nice, but frankly it wasn't thought through properly at all. Zoya was behaving rashly and stupid, and sure she was okay in the end because she was surrounded by her own people when Rajveer finally tried to 'make a move'. But like you've said in the bold parts, not everyone is as lucky as Zoya, so it isn't okay to do as you please without thinking as long as you stand up for yourself in the end. Not everyone gets that opportunity.

I especially like what you said in the red part, it's so true. No matter how many times it's announced that objectifying women is wrong, men who want to still will, even if you're draped in layers of clothes. It is unfair, but women themselves have to be sensible about their behaviour and take care of themselves by avoiding situations where you might end up being vulnerable to attacks. You can't expect men who think that way to change their thinking. They most certainly won't. I guess everyone's main problem is that this point was not brought across properly at all.

Once again, lovely post!!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Maaneet099

Thank god I wasn't the only one thinking they have got the whole message wrong! It's way too twisted adding to the fact that Zoya is the heroine. Of course in the end things are going to straighten up for her.

I remember Surbhi in the interview specifying that a girl wearing jeans and being friendly does not mean she is crying attention. But again any girl roaming about alone at night at an unknown place is crying attention too! Men are prowling about for vulnerable preys and nothing else matter for them. So to be out at that time unnecessarily (or even necessarily sometimes) is inviting major trouble.

This message given out today doesn't even remotely support rape. Of course dressing could (i emphasize could so dont pounce on me!) matter but that's a topic for another day. But in this instance fully dressed or not doesn't matter only vulnerability does.


Yeah I've been annoyed with people praising Zoya. And anyone period, girl or guy, roaming alone at night is crying attention. Like I said, many other things that can happen to people. There are psychos out there.
I understand the dressing part, and how just because a girl wears certain things doesn't mean she's open, but nothing to do with rape.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: hsvs


@BOLD- this is what is most bothersome about the message! Zoya is idolised by many impressionable young girls on the forum and by trying to make her right all the time even when she is wrong, they are causing more harm than good. Wont be surprised if young girls will think - Oh Zoya did that and oh she was so brave and bla bla and do something very very reckless and stupid. Being independent is not being reckless or stupid! 😕


EXACTLY. Many girls look up to Zoya's character and are in love with her. And I admit, I love Zoya's character, but she acts like a total idiot at times (not just now but even in the beginning) and I'm not going to defend her just because I like her. What the writers don't realize is that many girls will do what they see their heroine doing. Sad but true.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: armaanlover_7

Thank god...Finally I saw a sensible topic in this forum.I was confused with myself after seeing so many praises about the whole Rajveer scene.Like was it only me who didnt like the way they portrayed it.😕 I agree with you.Whole portrayal was wrong.Har aadmi Rajveer jaisa budhu nahi hota.Everytime there wont be a crowd to hear your speech and clap for you.And after, all she said and after the 2 thappads,no man will be silent.It will provoke them more.This is not the way girls should handle themselves.Wrong message given by QH team.


Thank you . At your bold, so true. Rajveer is a typical loser in my eyes. Many guys will try to get into a girls pants if they feel she is coming off easy and giving him signals when it's just casual and friendly. But they could have showed it differently.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ranz

Spot on...Strange how Dilshad Ammi didnt talk to Zoya and tell her she was irresponsible to go ou tlike that and then take a lift from a stranger and then not tell them that he was stalking her! You love your child but it is the Mothers duty to warn and guide her children spencially the impulsive an dimmature Zoya!


Exactly. My mother would have gone off on me. Probably even doubted my intelligence lol. Dilshaad always takes Zoya's side even if she is wrong.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: anushreemishra

Brilliantly said...though I liked zoya giving that creep a piece of her mind and accepted she was wrong about rajveer but she still doesn't see her irresponsible behavior that led to all this...
And you know I live in India and yes we hear about rapes in metro cities and all and they catch more attention due to media but the point is this problem prevails everywhere be it villages where a Saree clad woman was raped and connecting rapes to wearing western clothes was very stupid...I think everywhere gul wants to show how modern nd progressive she is and she messes that up...
Well dilshad has been the biggest disappointment in all this and as I have already said that yes we get that dilshad loves zoya a lot but that doesn't mean she should let go of such a big issue without even properly talking to her once...


Thank you. And yes, and when Asad admitted she could take care of herself she was about to say that means she can do whatever she wants! I was like really? Do you not understand the gravity of the situation you were in?
Gul..I don't even know what to say about her. There are other ways to show modernization and progressiveness. To me she's been showing it the wrong way. Why isn't she showing her girls putting education first and working? Why is she hellbent on getting everyone married on the show! Next you know she's even going to have Nuzhat get married...is the girl even IN college?
Dilshaad..I love the woman (and I wish/hope to get a mother in law like her lol)...but she has done many things that have upset me and I won't start on that.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: viya.mallik4eva

Totally with you. I did not connect with whole rajveer drama at all for the same reasons

In reality, even kids of 4-5 yrs also get raped where the question of dressing doesn't come :((
Also, if rajveer was a rapist, he would have taken advantage of the situation on the day of lift itself.


Exactly..it's horrific when we hear of young children getting raped. Even men and boys get raped, so you can't even bring the issue of clothes in. People don't even understand the extent of the issue.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: hsvs



LOL, you are right, Sangeeta!

Maybe those shots will also cause that puppy hair to shed! 😆

Maburt or whatever, please let him become a man!


Lolol. I love you guys. I get Asad is in love, but that doesn't mean anything. He needs to grow back his balls. I think the growing of the hair is affecting his manhood.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Mayeesha2217

I really agree that the message was not complete..in fact a bit misguided.but one thing I want to say about Asad's passive attitude..wasnt he just trying to give Zoya some space?The entire fisco was her wrong-doing..so shouldnt she be the one to handle it?He interjected only when that creep actually said something about Zoya in front of HIM.I agree they should have called the police at least..but then again it was Tamatar's sagai and all.Thats just how I feel...no offence intented😊


Of course not. Everyone is entitled to their opinion :). I personally didn't like his passive attitude. The thing is in such a situation, sometimes it can get out of hand (which in reality it would have) and then someone should step in. My brother is very passive and liberal, but when he found out some guy was stalking me at my college, he was ready to jump in. Yeah it was Najma's sagai, but so much already happened and if you're going to create a scene like that already infront of people might as well call the cops too.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: goingreen



Lovely post, couldn't agree with you more! I think that the thought behind the track was nice, but frankly it wasn't thought through properly at all. Zoya was behaving rashly and stupid, and sure she was okay in the end because she was surrounded by her own people when Rajveer finally tried to 'make a move'. But like you've said in the bold parts, not everyone is as lucky as Zoya, so it isn't okay to do as you please without thinking as long as you stand up for yourself in the end. Not everyone gets that opportunity.

I especially like what you said in the red part, it's so true. No matter how many times it's announced that objectifying women is wrong, men who want to still will, even if you're draped in layers of clothes. It is unfair, but women themselves have to be sensible about their behaviour and take care of themselves by avoiding situations where you might end up being vulnerable to attacks. You can't expect men who think that way to change their thinking. They most certainly won't. I guess everyone's main problem is that this point was not brought across properly at all.

Once again, lovely post!!


Thankk you!! I definitely appreciate the thought behind the track and for them trying and I probably would not have had such a issue if they didn't relate it to the cases of rape happening today. Also I definitely agree at the bold. Women, and not just women, everyone needs to be cautious about their behavior and the surroundings around them. In my opinion men will never change their thinking unfortunately. And no rapist is going to watch this show and be like "oh yeah I should definitely start respecting girls."

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