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Rida

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Posted: 12 years ago

#221

This topic is getting hectic to keep up with so this should be my last reply.

The english translations of the verse, I checked it with the urdu one, and the "point" that came across was same, so the one I picked up I rechecked it twice and the word hijaab was there in two, while different in other, It didn't mea hijaab as in burkha, meant "hiding yourself" concealing. Of course I ain't good at translating but I rechecked and the english translation so forgive me for anything wrong. 😳

I do agree about everything. My personal pov on her wearing a skirt would be practically "nothing" neither happy nor shocked or excited or whatever. Its like You'd not show one minor thing bout Islam but you'd pick up something so controversial like having a skirt and that too that size, like barely a skirt? It's not even natural to jump on a skirt as short as that just like that. Even I attend alot of Islamic lectures whenever I am free and while I agree so many of us Muslims do not follow everything but its like when I watch a show which shows hindu families even I misinterpret alot of things because I completely rely on what is being shown in the show and later I am corrected and I think we viewers take the picture shown us on tv without doubts. But the point is they can show alot and alot of beautiful things about Islam but they pick up so many controversial topics just for entertainment? That's wrong. But alas, I wanted to put my pov, I shouldn't have made this topic but I ain't guilty bout making it either. All I can do is hope that the PH show Islam moderately, if not perfectly, extremely than moderately. Islam is not about a man being so stereotyped that he thinks a woman shouldn't wear jeans, go out, have fun, make a mess or at times turn total neanderthal on her, and neither its about a girl representing a liberal Muslim in a way that it would show Islam in a wrong stereotyped light.

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Rida

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Posted: 12 years ago

#222

Originally posted by: rumi.love
I must say, I'm so disappointed by this post. More than anything else it makes me sad to see such regressive views out there. Maybe the hope of the next generation bringing about a change in the mindset of people is nothing but hope, some of the views I have read on here are just so shocking.
Today it's the skirt, tomorrow it will be fitted jeans, then tops and before you know it clad the girl up and lock her inside! (Sounds extreme but the things I've read here!)
I'm not going to fight the clothes vs moral argument, I'm not event going to get into the QH is a torchbearer for the correct practices of Islam(? Who put that demand on them)
Please don't spread your regressive thoughts in the world, I for one want to see progress. If a girl wants to wear a skirt (going beyond Zoya btw) then let her wear it, don't question her hurting religious sentiments! (Don't judge! First of all)
You know it's such views that you (not saying one person in particular, since there are many here) will pass on to the next generation, and to the males in particular. Please don't! We have enough men in the world who think they have every right to tell a girl how to dress up, who to keep pardah from etc
You may feel I've gone beyond the forum, and I have! Everything you say/write may form an impression on some young minds.

I can respect that you hold a certain view regarding religious practices, and you have every right to. Maybe it won't be so wrong to open your mind (not trying to be rude) to other opinions regarding practices. Your way vs theirs?

Everyone has the right to live their life the way they want, let them. (Again going beyond QH)

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I am sorry I am sorry its just your post is "FUNNY" 🤣🤣🤣🤣

1) who do you think I am darling? "Regressive" i MEAN 🤣🤣 okay sorry lets be serious.

2) I don't cover myself up, I have male friends, I party late night, I curse alot, I wear all kind clothes, I do whatever I want, I roam outside, I watch all kind of movies, read all kind of books, I have my own povs, I say whatever I want and I am regressive oops.🤣🤣

3) Whatever I said in that post was not my pov. I don't give a damn if some girl parade's stark naked, infact I watch all western shows who actually roam stark naked at times and do more than just staring at eachother. If I was to share my pov there would have been no point of the post because again, "she may go dancing on the moon for all I care, not affecting me is it?"

4) By saying a girl should atleast follow a tiny winy saying of Islam, and if not covering herself fully just at least should cover herself moderately is regressive? I mean I am going to tell my kids darling roam half naked on roads you are not to be regressive? erhh.

5) While I am not a good example of a Muslim, alot of us are not, we are simply people who get Islam from our ancestors, or why Islam any other religion and go on carrying them like some won prize when we do not put one single effort to have it or keep it we should neither make our own thoughts and call it liberalism. Can't follow a religion? Don't? You have your own free will and whatever we do we are answerable to God but don't call it liberalism and put the religion in a bad stereotyped light. We should all respect and accept the teachings of our religion, like I believe and agree everything that Islam says, while I don't follow alot of things but that doesn't makes me liberal, or today's girl or cool or open minded, it just makes me ignorant atleast I don't go on saying I am liberal Muslim and I think covering myself up sucks and Islam shows Women so wrongly, infact if any of us would actually see Islam gives women utter utter and utmost respect, in every way if you go in its history well let's not deviate from the topic. So if someone would not wear a skirt he/she ain't regressive.

6) Where do you think I've come from?🤣🤣 I live among the most posh of posh people, but while we wear every kind of dress, even tight fitted capris I ve not seen anyone here *read the majority of Muslims* wear a skirt as short as that, I mean there could've been a length? Not because we can't but in our own way we know if we can't fully cover atleast there has to be a degree of respect, or its not like we cannot wear bikinis here, *read majority again* when the majority of Muslims do not wear such short skirts then what's the point in showing it? That's conveying a wrong message bout a Religion not liberalism AGAIN.😳

7) Like I said, there are thousands of points where you can show a girl "Azaad khayal" and not extreme, you won't do that, you won't portray the good things but haan aajaao skirt pehne and lets be liberal?🤣🤣🤣

8) I have my own povs but this isn't mine, I respect my religion and accept it, and I don't believe showing a religion WRONGLY is something to be applauded, be it Islam, Hinduism or any religion.

9)If you think the way a religion is shown doesn't impact an audience, it damn well does, they believe what they're shown.

10) If you can't show Islam completely don't, no one's saying a thing but there's a line to that too, showing it extremely at a 360 degree about turn is also not the way to go. Respect those few lines and we'll respect back in return.

10) for the last time not my belief, and not my judgement, I think Islam has its own commandments about such things and a Muslim wearing a skirt as short as that is a wrong portrayal of the religion and totally unacceptable.

If that still makes you think I am regressive *ermm lmfao🤣* Yeah I am.

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Ishq-Dua

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Posted: 12 years ago

#223

Originally posted by: mysterygirl123

Does Islam teach equality of men and women? If it does, then I am responding to the latter part of your argument.

Men do not have a right to evetease/ flirt/ molest/ demean a woman in any ways, disregard of their clothing. Guys giving that reason that a woman was dressed scantily and therefore they misbehaved is complete junk. And my blood literally boild when I see another woman thinking that a guy is justified in his misbehavior if the girl is not clothed well.

If guys are justified, then tomorrow every girl should be molesting a guy wearing shorts. Let us see how any religion would start protecting men, if that starts happening.

Islam identifies equality

Before the advent of Islam, women were treated extremely harshly. It was acceptable for female babies to be buried alive and women were treated more as chattels and objects of sexual pleasure. Islam changed all this, and taught equality of both genders.
It also granted women the right of inheritance and accordingly they received their due share as prescribed by the Shariah Law (Islamic Law). A woman is entitled to individual ownership of property as a mother, as a wife, as a daughter, and as a sister. ' rights that were granted to women in England hundreds of years later.

OMG when did I say it was ok for a man to flirt or tease a women??? of course it's not right and it never will be right

and in Islam and it's a big sin but there are many jerks outside that will bother a girl for her clothing and don't say there isn't

so wearing a skirt like that can count as getting the attention of men. In Islam it says it's the female's responsibility to cover herself and not show her bare skin to guys that are not related to her.So basically stupid guys in the street are not related to her.

Quran (33:59)- "Tell thy wives and thy daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them..."

If you are a Muslim then you will understand what I said.

Also a way from religion that skirt did not suit Zoya as a character

Zoya is showed as a modern Muslim living in New York

but they still showed her cultural and they did show her praying with Dilshad and the other women

and when those women who talked about Zoya and her dressing Dilshad defended her and told them that her clothes are better than what they were wearing because she is not revealing any skin like they did.

here is the proof that revealing skin in Islam is not right

So why the heck would she be wearing a mini skirt when Dilshad in the other episodes defended her and pointed out the women for what they were wearing.

this is my last comment on this subject because I had already promised that I won't argue with this topic anymore. I'm here to watch the show not teach others what's right and wrong

and anyone who doesn't know anything about Islam then it's better to stay quite and not say anything

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Lionessxo

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Posted: 12 years ago

#224

Originally posted by: mysterygirl123

My last counter to your latter part is, this is an INDIAN show , and India is made of masses with a mix of all religions, castes and creeds. We live well because we dont get radical about such simple things in life. The backdrop is a Muslim family , that is just an added perspective to a story. Every TV serial has to have a backdrop , and has a variety of religions. I dont see people jumping the gun on every next serial

Not everyone needs to know every written word of a religion to enjoy a show. And the show is just that - for enjoyment and entertainment for the INDIAN masses, and they get disseminated to other countries because there is a demand for the shows India produces

But it is still a show about a Muslim family and even though a show should be entertaining, it has to be believable with an element of realism. And I do see people jumping the gun when things are depicted contrary to what is the norm on other forums. And bear in mind, I am not here discussing what is or is not required within Islam - that can be interpreted a variety of ways - but the norm is that a Muslim woman rarely, if ever, wears a skirt this short and even around the house. In particular those from the Indian subcontienent do not. Some people here are irked because it violates religious principles, some because it is against the cultural norm. For the PH to push this on a culture where skin exposure is a huge issue, that's a bad move.

So what if its a Muslim family? Why make such a hue and cry over that fact - its just a backdrop and a way to give perspective. Just like any other serial - they are all given some or the other backdrop of some religion, caste or creed. A lot of us dont live the way they do onscreen, and that is true for any religion. I dont see a hue and cry made for any other serial on grounds of religion and culture etc

Additonally, its clear that the interpretation of the written word in the relgion is varied amongst people , cause I myself have a lot of Muslim friends who are fairly God fearing, and are also extremely liberal about clothing. I have seen a lot of other Muslims who are equally liberal.

Which is evidence for the fact that the interpretation of what is right and what is wrong differs by people. Then what is the credibility that your interpretation is the correct one? Do you mean to say that Muslims who do not wear short skirts are better Muslims than the ones who do? Now that is putting too much importance on oneself, dont you think?

L O L. L O L.

FUNNY how people just said she didn't need to wear a trashy skirt.. and all of you people exploded saying so wha so wha

Whenever something comes to Muslims.. everyones like SO WHA SO WAH LOOOLLL

ALLL people are saying is... she could have worn a decent skirt ARIGHT.

& I have not seen anywhere where someone said "muslims who wear short skirts are less than muslims who do not wear short skirts..." so stop assuming

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& also... most of you people get worked up so fast its HILARIOUS!

Like... get Over it. SHe should have worn a decent length of the skirt so Surbhi did not look trashy! Nothing wrong with wearing a skirt... If it was up till her knees that would have been fine too atleast she wouldn't have looked trashy and her ass wouldn't have showwwn :)

when is this whole thing going to stop.. seriously! LOL

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Lionessxo

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Posted: 12 years ago

#225

Originally posted by: Laila2009

I find your translation interesting because that is an interpretation and there are many different translations/interpretations for this verse. Now, the term Khimar that the writer her calls a heascarf does not refer to a headcovering but a piece of cloth and all it says it to take a cloth and cover your breasts and show not your beauty or Zeenat in front of others to whom you are not related. So what is Zeenat? In Saudi it is verything including your face, others say it is the hair. Other interpretations leave it open as what is based in society at that time. The idea that only your face and hands should be shown is from a very weak hadith where the chain is questionable and is from an unreliable soruce. Going back to the verse, in the Arab world, it was cultural for women to have deep cut cleavages and there was even a standard pratice of women to flash their breasts to men as a good luck when they went to war. Shocked. Yes, so was I when I atttended a lecture on it.The verse encouraged women to cover because of a lot of violence in the area but if they were in safe environment, they continued their transactions and dress code as usual - there are historical articles and hadiths that support it. The push for covering is more from a patriarchal mindset and was revolutioned only recently when a PhD was done - and created a huge uproar at Al-Azhar - that veiling/headscarves were not mandatory in Islam.

And the word HIJAB is not even mentioned in that verse - re read the Arabic version. How do I know? Cause I attended lectures and have friends who have studied Islam at the PhD level and this is a very loaded verse open to a lot of interpretation depending on WHO is doing the interpreting. A lot of research shows that the issue of veiling and covering was done more by elite women and actually was a status symbol.

Now, going back to what is or is not a sin, that depends on how this verse is interpreted. You believe one thing, and I well, am going to believe something else. 😉

Here's an interesting note. BTW, Azizah Al-Hibiri, one the experts of shariah law in the west does not wear hijab, neither does Laleh Bakhtiar, Ph. D,, translator of the Qu'ran, Daisy Khan wife of the Iman of the famous Park51 in New York (his niece, a friend of mine, did an extensive project on this verse and concluded that hijaabs were not required and subsequently removed her own), Professors of Islamic history and politics and Qu'ran: Asma Barlas, Fatima Mernisis, Leila Ahmed, Riffat Hasan, Asma Afsaruddin - NONE wear hijaab. Some wear skirts etc. And I have met some personally or corresponded with them and discussed this with them. Among males, Reza Aslan has done a lot of work on the topic of headscarves and domestic violence and concluded a) not required and b) it is not Ok to even touch your wife in anger. And yes, I was stunned on a visit to the UK, my friend Tehmina Kazi, another expert on Islam, and non-headscarf wearer, said he remembered me and we had only met twice😳 He is very cute by the way and has been on Jon Stewart, Stephan Colbert, Bill Maher etc.

Going back to Zoya and QH; this show is about Muslims, NOT Islam. Muslims represent billions of people and not everyone is the same. Bearing that in mind, when it comes to dress codes, the show has tried to keep in mind what an average girl from a liberal Muslim family would wear. If we were to do a study of those individuals who were liberal Muslim and then narrow it down to those from the Indian subcontient who were raised in New York and then look at their dress, I DOUBT that anyone would dress as Zoya did. Now, that does not mean no-one would wear a skirt, but at that lenght and even around the house NO. Some Arab women do; but only among their husbands. Desi women, heck no (and I will expand on this further). This does not mean they, liberal Muslim women, do not wear swimming costumes in public, but the skirt this length no and as and adult - NEVER seen it.

That's where the PH have flopped. If they wanted to show that Asad needed to lighten up when it came to clothes, they could have done it more effectively with a skirt that was above Zoya's knees - something a liberal Muslim girl from New York would have worn, But bear in mind it appears ZERO reserach was done as to what do liberal Muslim girls wear from New York city as there was when Zoya attended the Qu'ran Khanni with her top tucked in her jeans.

The scene was there to a) create comedy, b) to create a fight between Zoya and Asad so they could kiss and make up, and c) prove again clothes do not define a person's goodness. Apparently Asad needed reminding again - I didn't know that he had forgotten. 😉

LAWL LAWL LAWL LAWL LAWL L O L. 😆

Alright. I don't get why people keep saying "liberal muslim" or whatever Muslim... ROFL.

I am sorry but wearing a trashy skirt that shows your ass does not make you a liberal from NY.. LAWL.

Next thing you know, you guys will say wearing a bikini to peoples house will classify as a Liberal Muslim from NY... *face palm*.

I did not know that kinda liberal was the new trend :P

& say wha wha?? The show is about Muslims not Islam.. ROFL ROFL ROFL.. ROFL ROFL..

L O L. I think you forgot that you if your religion is Islam you are a Muslim... as in Christianity - Chrisitians, Islam - Muslims, etc...

SO if they say the show is on a Muslim Family they are obviously including Islam. That is a no brainer! LOL

ANYWAYS!

Instead of making it a big issue about what she wore.. get OVER it.

It is quite obvious she could have worn a decent length :) which would not have shown her ass and which would have made her look -untrashy..

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Mariaa.SG

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Posted: 12 years ago

#226

I agree with each and every words of you Girl 🤗 Loved the way you Said eevrything :D

Anyways , Altought i Love Zoya a lot , i can't denie with this fact 😳 And let me remember to those who keep on saying that some muslims do this and do that and do not follow The religion completely ... we are not st.

Islam is Perfect , Muslims aren't ...

SO please don't attack Islam's beauty because of Muslims 😳

i am also from A modern country but that the way you live shouldn't change you love for your religion and definetely do not justify our acts ..

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Aleena

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Posted: 12 years ago

#227

Originally posted by: -CreativeSoul-

learn the meaning of freedom then talk because if you have the freedom to say this shit then we all have the freedom to stand up for the religion we love. I love qubool hai its a great show and you know what i wouldn't have questioned it if it wasn't making my religion look back. We are all just trying to point out to the cvs that if they want to show islam then they should do it rightly!

your either just exaggerating or being a drama queen or a attention seeker... get over it

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Laila Banu

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Posted: 12 years ago

#228

Originally posted by: Lionessxo
LAWL LAWL LAWL LAWL LAWL L O L. 😆

Alright. I don't get why people keep saying "liberal muslim" or whatever Muslim... ROFL.

I am sorry but wearing a trashy skirt that shows your ass does not make you a liberal from NY.. LAWL.

Next thing you know, you guys will say wearing a bikini to peoples house will classify as a Liberal Muslim from NY... *face palm*.

I did not know that kinda liberal was the new trend :P

& say wha wha?? The show is about Muslims not Islam.. ROFL ROFL ROFL.. ROFL ROFL..

L O L. I think you forgot that you if your religion is Islam you are a Muslim... as in Christianity - Chrisitians, Islam - Muslims, etc...

SO if they say the show is on a Muslim Family they are obviously including Islam. That is a no brainer! LOL

ANYWAYS!

Instead of making it a big issue about what she wore.. get OVER it.

It is quite obvious she could have worn a decent length :) which would not have shown her ass and which would have made her look -untrashy..