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Posted: 12 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: tvbug2011

Delena, I can see that currently you are not a Dilshaad fan.😊 And you are perfectly entitled to your opinion. However, in this instance I think you are being unfair to her.
I've answered all your points in my following post.
But I'd like to further elaborate on point 1. Dilshaad willingly and ungrudgingly worked for perhaps 17-22 years of her life to bring Asad up in a way that made him capable of rising to and holding a high office. In doing so she would have worked very hard and made countless sacrifices. She would have looked after his emotional and physical well-being and taught him management skills and the work ethic that he needed to rise to the top. Managing the house and bringing up kids are challenging tasks that most housewives and mothers do. Just because these jobs are unpaid, does not mean that they are without value. Just the contrary in fact. I can and would love to go on about this. However, I'll cut to the chase - Dilshaad has more than earned that money.
The rest of your points - since it is Dilshaad's money, I don't really care how she uses it.
In your next post you ask why did Dilshaad not inform Asad. Perhaps she was in too much of hurry and didn't think about it. That doesn't mean that she won't tell him she has withdrawn the money. Her character sketch is not of a coward - she has more than enough guts and integrity to look Asad in the eye and tell him an unpleasant truth.

@tvbug - I understand what you are saying here, but would agree with Delena.
No matter who earned it or who all have right over it, you are not entitled to use it for illegal purpose. I agree if she was using it to run an orphanage, or running for a MP seat may be, she would not have to tell asad. he would be upset and question her about lack of information, but would not disapprove or take away the money. But, definetely would not allow bribing a police officer.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#42

Originally posted by: delena90



Nobody is denying the sacrifices she made but it is absolutely not Dilshaad's money! We are definitely not going to agree on this one. A parent giving an education to their child is their duty. Yes, she loves him and he loves her but unless the money is in an account thats exclusively hers she can't just walk off with that kind of money.

Where's the integrity in giving a bribe?

The point is only partly about the sacrifices a single mother made, it is also equally importantly about the economic value of care-giving and home management. Just because these skills are unpaid, does not mean that they are not valuable.
Abt withdrawing money from joint accounts - all account holders of the joint account are legally able to do that.
The integrity I referred to was to do with not being weak enough to have to lie to Asad.
The other way of looking at the question of taking money to give a bribe is, is money more important than saving the life of a loved one - because as far as Dilshaad knows Rashid's life is at stake.
And being aware of your opinion of both characters, I think we'll have to agree to disagree.😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: romiebee2002

😆 in reply to your bigger bolder question- the show is somewhat fictional i suppose😛

You are right. And it is indeed. And I know that Indian TV soaps have a regressive attitude to women by and large, but the latent unfairness still has the power to rankle. 😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Meaningful

@tvbug - I understand what you are saying here, but would agree with Delena.
No matter who earned it or who all have right over it, you are not entitled to use it for illegal purpose. I agree if she was using it to run an orphanage, or running for a MP seat may be, she would not have to tell asad. he would be upset and question her about lack of information, but would not disapprove or take away the money. But, definetely would not allow bribing a police officer.

@Meaningful, I see your point. But to me the bribing is an infinitesimally lesser crime than in allowing an innocent man (of the attempted murder of Dilshaad for which crime he has been arrested) to die. Simply to me the question is money vs. life? In my book the life of a loved one is much more important.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: tvbug2011

The point is only partly about the sacrifices a single mother made, it is also equally importantly about the economic value of care-giving and home management. Just because these skills are unpaid, does not mean that they are not valuable.
Abt withdrawing money from joint accounts - all account holders of the joint account are legally able to do that.
The integrity I referred to was to do with not being weak enough to have to lie to Asad.

And being aware of your opinion of both characters, I think we'll have to agree to disagree.😊



I know it's a joint account which is why she definitely needs to tell the other holder what she's doing with the money or that she's even taking it out.

Bribery for the life of a guilty man? C'mon...he didn't murder someone but he was happy to cover up a murder and commit arson...those are serious crimes. Obstruction of justice of a murder is not a light thing no matter which country you are living in. On no planet is Rashid innocent. Asad maybe perceived to be doing it for the wrong reasons but boy is he 200% right!


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: delena90



I know it's a joint account which is why she definitely needs to tell the other holder what she's doing with the money or that she's even taking it out.

Bribery for the life of a guilty man? C'mon...he didn't murder someone but he was happy to cover up a murder and commit arson...those are serious crimes. Obstruction of justice of a murder is not a light thing no matter which country you are living in. On no planet is Rashid innocent. Asad maybe perceived to be doing it for the wrong reasons but boy is he 200% right!


A joint account enables both account holders to access the account. At what point the account holder who has withdrawn the money tells the other joint account holder is up to her. You don't have to tell the other account holder that you intend to withdraw money. Wrt Dilshaad, she was in a hurry, under time pressure, under emotional stress and may have deprioritised informing Asad - though she doesn't absolutely need to tell him.
Rashid is not guilty of attempting to murder Dilshaad. I'll rephrase it: He is innocent of attempting to murder Dilshad. He has been arrested for that crime. Wrongly. He shouldn't have been. He does not deserve to die for that crime.
Rashid may have committed arson - we still don't know the whole story. Rashid is not guilty of murdering Zoya's mother. Rashid may well have hidden evidence of the murder. When he is proven guilty of his crimes beyond reasonable doubt, I would be very satisfied for him to be punished accordingly. But not before.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: tvbug2011

A joint account enables both account holders to access the account. At what point the account holder who has withdrawn the money tells the other joint account holder is up to her. You don't have to tell the other account holder that you intend to withdraw money. Wrt Dilshaad, she was in a hurry, under time pressure, under emotional stress and may have deprioritised informing Asad - though she doesn't absolutely need to tell him.
Rashid is not guilty of attempting to murder Dilshaad. I'll rephrase it: He is innocent of attempting to murder Dilshad. He has been arrested for that crime. Wrongly. He shouldn't have been. He does not deserve to die for that crime.
Rashid may have committed arson - we still don't know the whole story. Rashid is not guilty of murdering Zoya's mother. Rashd may well have hidden evidence of the murder. When he is proven guilt of his crimes beyond reasonable doubt, I would be very satisfied for him to be punished accordingly. But not before.



Ethically speaking she needs too. And the reason she didn't tell Asad is because she knew he wouldn't approve and he didn't. This entire storyline has ruined Dilshaad. A woman who was portrayed to being honest and a fantastic mother has had all her characteristics overturned...for what?

Yes Rashid is not guilty on the attempted murder of Dilshaad but that's not the only thing he's been accused off. Asad stated very clearly that he has informed the police of everything including the dead body of the woman found there. I have no problem with Rashid being proven innocent with regards to Dilshaad but he is guilty when it comes to everything else...even if he was blackmailed. Being under duress to do something doesn't make you less guilty - legally or morally.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: delena90



Ethically speaking she needs too. And the reason she didn't tell Asad is because she knew he wouldn't approve and he didn't. This entire storyline has ruined Dilshaad. A woman who was portrayed to being honest and a fantastic mother has had all her characteristics overturned...for what?

Yes Rashid is not guilty on the attempted murder of Dilshaad but that's not the only thing he's been accused off. Asad stated very clearly that he has informed the police of everything including the dead body of the woman found there. I have no problem with Rashid being proven innocent with regards to Dilshaad but he is guilty when it comes to everything else...even if he was blackmailed. Being under duress to do something doesn't make you less guilty - legally or morally.

I think Dilshaad would have definitely told Asad at some point - 1 crore is not a sum one wouldn't notice missing - she just didn't have the chance. Like I said she didn't think it a priority to tell him then and there.
Actually, I thought that earlier Dilshaad was too 'white' a character, and am quite enjoying and intrigued by the shades and layers that are being added to her characterisation. Perhaps the cvs are trying to educate us about the complexity of human nature. 😆
Rashid is a discussion for another day simply because it is way past my bedtime and he is such a complex character that you can't do justice to his analysis perfunctorily. Suffice to say here that he is a pawn, and it would be so much more satisfying for the king and queen to be nailed.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: tvbug2011

I think Dilshaad would have definitely told Asad at some point - 1 crore is not a sum one wouldn't notice missing - she just didn't have the chance. Like I said she didn't think it a priority to tell him then and there.
Actually, I thought that earlier Dilshaad was too 'white' a character, and am quite enjoying and intrigued by the shades and layers that are being added to her characterisation. Perhaps the cvs are trying to educate us about the complexity of human nature. 😆
Rashid is a discussion for another day simply because it is way past my bedtime and he is such a complex character that you can't do justice to his analysis perfunctorily. Suffice to say here that he is a pawn, and it would be so much more satisfying for the king and queen to be nailed.



I definitely want them nailed along with their weak little pawn...and if that woman turns out to be Zoe's mom I hope she skewers them ALL.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I know. even though as a mother she has full right on her sons money esp since its a joint account. i dont know how her own morale could allow her to use that money to firstly bribe someone and then using it to get the very person your son despises out of jail. i my parents have full right on everything thats mines, doesn't meant its right for them to use that money to buy drugs or do something illegal with it

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