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Posted: 14 years ago
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@ Dhakarn

Krishna will obviously grow in both his understanding of social values and his own personality and agree that he doesn't need to prove it to any one but himself first, not even to Pratigya as a matter of fact. He is too good and too intelligent for his own comfort, he learns quickly, he clearly sees black form white. But he knows his short comings too, he gets frustrated seeing wrongs happenings within his family, and his love for his family prohibits him from going all the way, and taking lead in correcting the wrongs. Reasons- lack of education, and his hard realization of the fact that it is a short coming which frustrate him often,

He taunts Pratigya often because she is educated but knows in his heart that that she is often right too and that is the reason why he takes her side against his own family. He clearly sees a difference there.

Aman is mentioned here by Bubble merely to home in the point that now Krishna's SIL is getting married to an educated person and that person will always be interacting with him because he will become his BIL and a constant irritant for Krishna ( regardless of the fact that Aman could be a very Grey character as we the viewers can see him but not Krishna at this point).

Krishna will feel his shortcoming often and would constantly behave in the ways he had behaved from the very first interaction with Aman when he fought him over a jug of water. What an impression he left than and all the subsequent incidents with him, he is continuing the same ways when the two faces each other.

Do we want to see Krishna looks like a fool in front of Aman, hell no. We want to see him as a better person then Aman, and only when he himself could express it with a broad smile and his witty one liners that even Aman couldn't answer with all his education and lawyergiri.!!



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Posted: 14 years ago
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After watching Papa Singh yesterday I felt like scrubbing my eyes with bleach. All those vignettes of hurt father and chastised patriarch were beginning to appear a little to puke-worthy. Finally he is back to his familiar stance - crass and insensitive and bucolic. at times like these I appreciate Pratigya even more. I wouldn't have cared if my husband looked like Adonis and loved the ground I walked on, if my in-laws behaved like baboons on crack in front of everyone i would just have given them whacks with my heels and shooed them away. She just stood there and looked at the grounds to swallow her alive.
I am liking Papa Mathur. Someone..anyone.. to stand against that crude monster Sajjan Singh. And for people who are complaining about his posit that SS shouldn't attend the wedding..if an IG is seen hobnobbing with the Most Wanted in his town, he can lose his job. Can you imagine the Police IG of Mumbai sharing the same stage as Dawood Ibrahim and living another day to tell his story? You want realism.. that's realism in India.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: PRAGMATIC

@ Dhakarn

Krishna will obviously grow in both his understanding of social values and his own personality and agree that he doesn't need to prove it to any one but himself first, not even to Pratigya as a matter of fact. He is too good and too intelligent for his own comfort, he learns quickly, he clearly sees black form white. But he knows his short comings too, he gets frustrated seeing wrongs happenings within his family, and his love for his family prohibits him from going all the way, and taking lead in correcting the wrongs. Reasons- lack of education, and his hard realization of the fact that it is a short coming which frustrate him often,

He taunts Pratigya often because she is educated but knows in his heart that that she is often right too and that is the reason why he takes her side against his own family. He clearly sees a difference there.

Aman is mentioned here by Bubble merely to home in the point that now Krishna's SIL is getting married to an educated person and that person will always be interacting with him because he will become his BIL and a constant irritant for Krishna ( regardless of the fact that Aman could be a very Grey character as we the viewers can see him but not Krishna at this point).

Krishna will feel his shortcoming often and would constantly behave in the ways he had behaved from the very first interaction with Aman when he fought him over a jug of water. What an impression he left than and all the subsequent incidents with him, he is continuing the same ways when the two faces each other.

Do we want to see Krishna looks like a fool in front of Aman, hell no. We want to see him as a better person then Aman, and only when he himself could express it with a broad smile and his witty one liners that even Aman couldn't answer with all his education and lawyergiri.!!





dear pragmatic,
what i am trying to say is the same thing.....that krishna doesn't need to prove anything to anyone but himself.............i was only saying that he don't need to look up at aman or any other for that matter in his journey to be a better human being........the only short coming(if it is considered as one) that krishna has is his illiteracy........that is literally the ability to read and write............he is very much capable of expressing his views sometimes even better than any body else............what i don't understand is why is krishna being compared to aman.........both of them r at their places...........i am not at all worried about aman or anybody else overshadowing krishna or something along the lines......i am only saying that krishna's betterment should come from within his soul and must be aided by the power of love...............and not by insecurities arising form looking up at an outsider...............
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Relda

After watching Papa Singh yesterday I felt like scrubbing my eyes with bleach. All those vignettes of hurt father and chastised patriarch were beginning to appear a little to puke-worthy. Finally he is back to his familiar stance - crass and insensitive and bucolic. at times like these I appreciate Pratigya even more. I wouldn't have cared if my husband looked like Adonis and loved the ground I walked on, if my in-laws behaved like baboons on crack in front of everyone i would just have given them whacks with my heels and shooed them away. She just stood there and looked at the grounds to swallow her alive.

I am liking Papa Mathur. Someone..anyone.. to stand against that crude monster Sajjan Singh. And for people who are complaining about his posit that SS shouldn't attend the wedding..if an IG is seen hobnobbing with the Most Wanted in his town, he can lose his job. Can you imagine the Police IG of Mumbai sharing the same stage as Dawood Ibrahim and living another day to tell his story? You want realism.. that's realism in India.



So well said, we actually tend to forget to see things through Pratigya's perspective, What precarious situation she is in right now. And the example in RED said it all. It doesn't leave any choice for the IG but to force SS and family away from the wedding.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: dhakarn



Dhakarn,
relax, there is no need to fire up simply because Krishna is portrayed as being vulnerable right now. That is the crux of the story. 😊

First of all, Krishna needs to prove many things to himself.

Second, Who is Aman? Aman is the man Krishna is mentally comparing himself with - Aman the lawyer, Aman the idealist, Aman the educated, Aman the guy from the cultured family, Aman the damaad Shyam Saxena would have wanted for his eldest daughter Pratigya had he been given a choice. Aman is the type of man Pratigya herself would have chosen.

I am not saying that Krishna needs to be exactly like Aman - Pratigya loves Krishna for who he is, and so does the whole world but there is no denying that Aman is the counterfoil to Krishna. Whether it irritates you or bothers you, the point is that Aman's good opinion matters to Krishna. i am simply at a loss to find any moment or gesture from krishna seeking aman's good opinion as yet..........krishna to grow up and mature is needed but he has to feel from his heart and seek inside his soul for such a groW*H and not look at an outsider . i don't think CVs intends krishna to look upon another man to grow up, he has his insecurities, true but krishna will reform from within by his own judgement , by hearing the voice of his soul with the help of pratigya, his soulemate..............krishna is an arrogant man, i don't see him pining for another man's approval....one of the best things about krishna is that he just don't try to be anybody else........
It also matters to us - because we are seeing him falling short because of his upbringing and background. Krishna cannot go out now and get a law degree but he has to grow into his own, in his own way. He does need to measure up at some point.

Bubble



By all means have Krishna look inside himself and not at Aman in your reading of the story, if that makes you happy.

All I'm saying is, here are two characters given to us - they are pulling at each other, reacting to each other. We as viewers are just trying to make sense of what is going on in the dynamics between them. If you want to eliminate Aman from the equation, it makes it a little more boring for me, personally. Krishna IMO is learning from everyone around him - what to do, what not to do.

Bubble

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Posted: 14 years ago
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I do not understand this outrage over what Senior Mathur had said about the Thakurs. Just because someone is related BY-LAW, not even through blood lineage, people should just grin and look on indulgently at someone who is bringing a bar-girl to do mujra at your son's engagement? Isn't that taking Gandhigiri to unholy extremes? So, next when they get drunk and start abusing guests and start shooting in air with their guns - then also people should just sit back and watch the horror show, with equanimity and patience? All because SS has cute eyebrows and funny dialogues.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: soapbubble



By all means have Krishna look inside himself and not at Aman in your reading of the story, if that makes you happy.

All I'm saying is, here are two characters given to us - they are pulling at each other, reacting to each other. We as viewers are just trying to make sense of what is going on in the dynamics between them. If you want to eliminate Aman from the equation, it makes it a little more boring for me, personally. Krishna IMO is learning from everyone around him - what to do, what not to do.

Bubble


Great one Bubble!😃

@Dhakarn, Hi!
I think what Bubble is trying to say (and I agree) is - Krishna does not NEED to look at Aman so much as he instinctively does. Krishna thought that educated men are usually lappu-chunnas. Aman is both educated as well as terribly aggressive. So he is not lacking anything in K's eyes.
The scene when he asks P if she does not find his nidartha attractive was just becasue he wanted reassurance that she finds him attractive even in comparison with someone like Aman. It is not a thought-out reaction, just an instinctive insecurity. And I agree that K will eventually learn and grow fom everything/veryone around him!
He has absorbed quite a lot from the Saxes , now he will also pick up stuff from the Mathurs. No harm in that. Nobody needs to be too proud to learn something from another person!😊

Also, I feel that fundamentally K WANTED the Saxena sabhyatha! It was something he found deeply attractive. He always acts as if he is being dragged against his will onto the side of moderate and righteous behaviour, but in fact it is he who fundamentally desires to change. The very reason he married someone like P was becasue he wanted a vehicle for change. How many ever Nakhras he may do, how ever he may APPEAR to resist, the basic impulse to change comes from within him.

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Hey Dyehard,

I am sure you may have punished the cute Paul octooooo so severely, on that one silly mistake, that he is not saying any thing any more. Please forgive him and let him predict something sizzling to make our day.😍


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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Relda

After watching Papa Singh yesterday I felt like scrubbing my eyes with bleach. All those vignettes of hurt father and chastised patriarch were beginning to appear a little to puke-worthy. Finally he is back to his familiar stance - crass and insensitive and bucolic. at times like these I appreciate Pratigya even more. I wouldn't have cared if my husband looked like Adonis and loved the ground I walked on, if my in-laws behaved like baboons on crack in front of everyone i would just have given them whacks with my heels and shooed them away. She just stood there and looked at the grounds to swallow her alive.

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Yeah, so so mortifying! Pratigya, her mother, so embarassed, Aman standing there cringing, his mother looking like she'd encountered vile insect life - what a scene!
What was SS thinking? Really, shouldn't he have at least scoped the IG out for personality before trying those tricks? Didn't Aman's character tip him off? Foolish BEYOND belief, insensitive beyond description.



I am liking Papa Mathur. Someone..anyone.. to stand against that crude monster Sajjan Singh. And for people who are complaining about his posit that SS shouldn't attend the wedding..if an IG is seen hobnobbing with the Most Wanted in his town, he can lose his job. Can you imagine the Police IG of Mumbai sharing the same stage as Dawood Ibrahim and living another day to tell his story? You want realism.. that's realism in India.


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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Relda

I do not understand this outrage over what Senior Mathur had said about the Thakurs. Just because someone is related BY-LAW, not even through blood lineage, people should just grin and look on indulgently at someone who is bringing a bar-girl to do mujra at your son's engagement? Isn't that taking Gandhigiri to unholy extremes? So, next when they get drunk and start abusing guests and start shooting in air with their guns - then also people should just sit back and watch the horror show, with equanimity and patience? All because SS has cute eyebrows and funny dialogues.



Really?! people objecting to that too? Why does that manage to suprise me!? I ought to be beyond disbelief by now. Even SS is an object of pity? This is an ODD ODD place! What more do the poor CVs have to do hammer home the point that "THE THAKURS ARE BAD PEOPLE" !!!
I mean if they attempt to paint the picture in a deeper shade of black, we might just end up with a black hole! But this not-so-subtle point is just beyond some people. It really amazes me at one level. I have spend hours trying to understand the reasons behind this psychology, you know! Quite baffles me! How difficult is it to understand GOOD Vs BAD. How difficult is it to understand that this story is about "the one that got away" Why don't K's most ardent fans want him to escape the claws of evil?

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