Mughals - JA(REAL) is not Fiction-Pt4 - Author/TM's note on Pg1 and 91 - Page 23

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: KDR81



Hi All,
Though I still am too much pre-occupied.,But had to come on someone dear's request.😃

Point 1.
Tuhir Das was indeed from Bengal...Hence doubt is there whether this Tejwar is going to metamorphose into Tuhir Das or not... As there is no indication right now whether he was indigenous to Rajputana or was imported from somewhere else...!!

SO, We have to wait for the revelation...Hence Be patient Folks..!!
😉

Point 2. Bharmal did not get another of his own daughters married to the Mughal Family...So the Hakim-Shivani Match-making isn't going to flourish...(If history is taken into account)
Instead, There is chance that some misunderstanding will create a rift between the Step-Brothers...😔

Point 3. Never came to read of Bharmals's daughter ELOPING till now...😕😕 So , if Shivani does get married to this guy, Akbar might play a role in convincing / settling the issue with his dual purpose Chaals...!!😳

Regards,
Kamal



I am writing only from Jodha Akbar serial point of view - not knowlegable like you guys!

Abhay has already mentioned on previous threads that Mirza Hakim character will be negative one. So far he is shown supportive of Jalal. So maybe this Shivani-Mirza track is going to be used to cause rift between Jalal and Mirza.

It seems very unlikely Amer family or even Jodha would want to have her sister marry another Mogul (seeing what all she has faced, why would she!). Especially one who is from Kabul.

Maybe once Jalal gets to know about misunderstanding caused between him and Jodha he will want to go extra lengths to be nice to Jodha, so support Jodha over Mirza

I also read a post title on forum recently that Shivani will get married to Chandrabhan (maybe Suryabhan's relative/cousin) though not sure if it fun post or not

Shivani is shown to be very young, even Sukanya wanted to marry Suryabhan at one stage. So maybe this infatuation of hers will also be over in due course and she might be shown marrying 3rd person not Mirza or this Tejawar

They used to be so rigid those days, not just Amer rajvanshi family but even for Jalal, his sister-in-law marrying a commoner not even a minister of some sort sounds like no-no idea

Will have to wait and see

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Posted: 11 years ago
I just wanted to thank you Abhay for turning me in to a history buff. I came to love subject i had always hated , but now I love history and have come appreciate it a lot more. Thank u.. Abhay thanks you again. Cheers guys..Komal thanks for handling my 100 questions with patience
Shivani's lover existed?😲
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: KDR81



Hi All,
Though I still am too much pre-occupied.,But had to come on someone dear's request.😃

Point 1.
Tuhir Das was indeed from Bengal...Hence doubt is there whether this Tejwar is going to metamorphose into Tuhir Das or not... As there is no indication right now whether he was indigenous to Rajputana or was imported from somewhere else...!!

SO, We have to wait for the revelation...Hence Be patient Folks..!!
😉

Point 2. Bharmal did not get another of his own daughters married to the Mughal Family...So the Hakim-Shivani Match-making isn't going to flourish...(If history is taken into account)
Instead, There is chance that some misunderstanding will create a rift between the Step-Brothers...😔

Point 3. Never came to read of Bharmals's daughter ELOPING till now...😕😕 So , if Shivani does get married to this guy, Akbar might play a role in convincing / settling the issue with his dual purpose Chaals...!!😳

Regards,
Kamal

P.S. About Aurangzeb, He Ruined things related to mainly Hindus and also Non-Mughals...The reason that he tampered maximum of MUZ's signs is also because she was the one with the maximum impact as well... 😊




@Red...All points are valid..
👏...I am glad you arrived here for clarification..on request of a "dear one".😉..

Ok...
Just supporting the info..
(As, we all are not 100% sure..Even, i am not. Just writing what i've read about him..😊.)

Tuhir Das was probably rewarded by Akbar. And, that is the reason that, he was again employed to construct Fatehpur Sikri structures.

(If we take fact in account that he constructed the palace in Agra Fort as well..If he really did so..??...Coz. same architects were involved in the construction of both palaces of MUZ..Moreover, both palaces had Bengal style architecture, despite the fact that till 1571, Akbar had not won Bengal...So, how come that architecture was found in MUZ's palaces..??..Since, Agra's palace(1563-4) & Fatehpur Sikri(1571-72)...Point to ponder upon...Something is there...)

He was not an ordinary architect, an accomplished one..!..Which is a FACT..!!..
Afterall, Akbar could have taken services of any Architect . ! .Why only Tuhir..?..

The confusion, now is was he given some 'title' ? ('Miyya', sort of.)
Because, only then, he may stand as a suitable contender for marriage with a royal princess..!!!...Afterall, he is a commoner..

And, giving some reward/title only could make him suitable for marriage with Shivani . (if it happens..!!..)


So many tracks woven together are just confusing all...
Though, finding hard to accept it. Let's see. Another suspense in waiting..!..😊


@Aurangzeb...Well Said...
He destroyed references associated with her..Infact, you see, he started a well-planned strategy for this..

Edited by history_geek - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
@Abhay ek question hai...don't laugh😔
in which language Mughals used to converse ? Urdu ? Persi ? I am confused 😕
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: tamy267

@Abhay ek question hai...don't laugh😔

in which language Mughals used to converse ? Urdu ? Persi ? I am confused 😕



Hi Tamy..

First i will laugh now...😆..
Ok..
Your answer...Till now i know about Mughal Ladies...
They used to converse in Turki language in the Harem...And, the Hindu ladies conversed in Hindi language and other regional language...
And, the most striking feature is they understood, each other as well.😲..
This is somewhere in Ain-i-Akbari, v3...(i hope you do not need the page number...)

So, Mughals would have conversed also in Turki, if their womenfolk did so.
This is the info, i have right now...For more, i would require reading..

Also, the poetry was in Persian.

BTW ::--> Little info, on Urdu. It is "said that" it developed in military camps.😕, when soldiers of different races, stayed together and conversed with each other. Infact, it is called 'Camp' language. It has words from Hindi and perhaps Turki/Persian/Arabic etc. etc. .
It has no separate vocabulary.


This is what books say. Practical use is given below by KDR81..
Edited by history_geek - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: tamy267

@Abhay ek question hai...don't laugh😔

in which language Mughals used to converse ? Urdu ? Persi ? I am confused 😕



Hi,
Let me chip in here...
The language was an amalgamation of Urdu(Persian), Hindi and Arabic...😊

P..S The language in which the scripts were written was not exactly the dialect of the Mughals....The spoken language was more colloquial in nature having influence from all the predominant cultures which the Mughal empire consisted of... 😊
Edited by KDR81 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
Mughals used to speak in Turkhi, means the Mughal ladies spoke the same language. With respect to Hindu begums, Hindi and their regional languages. Sometimes I wonder, how difficult it would have been for Jalal and MUZ to connect in the beginning. I mean not knowing each other, not able to express their feelings in the language they are most comfortable in, Jodha having stiff competition from other beautiful begums and other women in the harem who are constantly vying for Jalal's attention and yet their relationship turning so beautiful or becoming soulmates. Isn't that wonderful😃
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek



Hi Tamy..

First i will laugh now...😆..
Ok..
Your answer...Till now i know about Mughal Ladies...
They used to converse in Turki language in the Harem...And, the Hindu ladies conversed in Hindi language and other regional language...
And, the most striking feature is they understood, each other as well.😲..
This is somewhere in Ain-i-Akbari, v3...(i hope you do not need the page number...)

So, Mughals would have conversed also in Turki, if their womenfolk did so.
This is the info, i have right now...For more, i would require reading..

Also, the poetry was in Persian.

BTW ::--> Little info, on Urdu. It is "said that" it developed in military camps.😕, when soldiers of different races, stayed together and conversed with each other. Infact, it is called 'Camp' language. It has words from Hindi and perhaps Turki/Persian/Arabic etc. etc. .
It has no separate vocabulary.


This is what books say. Practical use is given below by KDR81..

THANK YOU😃
in our show Mughals talk in pure Urdu..I think its for audience to understand..varna kaun Urdu+Turki+Persi ka combination samjhega?😕😆
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: KDR81



Hi,
Let me chip in here...
The language was an amalgamation of Urdu(Persian), Hindi and Arabic...😊

P..S The language in which the scripts were written was not exactly the dialect of the Mughals....The spoken language was more colloquial in nature having influence from all the predominant cultures which the Mughal empire consisted of... 😊

Thank u Di😃
that's what I was thinking whether they conversed in pure Urdu like the show...so its combination of all...I wonder how difficult it was for MUZ to understand I guess tab log samajhte the as Mughals were ruling...MUZ is no exception.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: tamy267


@Abhay ek question hai...don't laugh😔

in which language Mughals used to converse ? Urdu ? Persi ? I am confused 😕



Originally posted by: history_geek



Hi Tamy..

First i will laugh now...😆..
Ok..
Your answer...Till now i know about Mughal Ladies...
They used to converse in Turki language in the Harem...And, the Hindu ladies conversed in Hindi language and other regional language...
And, the most striking feature is they understood, each other as well.😲..
This is somewhere in Ain-i-Akbari, v3...(i hope you do not need the page number...)

So, Mughals would have conversed also in Turki, if their womenfolk did so.
This is the info, i have right now...For more, i would require reading..

Also, the poetry was in Persian.

BTW ::--> Little info, on Urdu. It is "said that" it developed in military camps.😕, when soldiers of different races, stayed together and conversed with each other. Infact, it is called 'Camp' language. It has words from Hindi and perhaps Turki/Persian/Arabic etc. etc. .
It has no separate vocabulary.

This is what books say. Practical use is given below by KDR81..




Originally posted by: KDR81


Hi,
Let me chip in here...
The language was an amalgamation of Urdu(Persian), Hindi and Arabic...😊

P..S The language in which the scripts were written was not exactly the dialect of the Mughals....The spoken language was more colloquial in nature having influence from all the predominant cultures which the Mughal empire consisted of... 😊




Originally posted by: tamy267


Thank u Di😃

that's what I was thinking whether they conversed in pure Urdu like the show...so its combination of all...I wonder how difficult it was for MUZ to understand I guess tab log samajhte the as Mughals were ruling...MUZ is no exception.



Di ki taraf se i welcome you..😊

Why are you so much worried for MUZ.?...Jo hona tha, that has happened..
You are very depressed for MUZ..?.As you are giving (blue-black eyes...)..expressions..😕..
Think about Akbar as well. Feel bad for him also. How he understood all that..?.😆..

Just for your information, so that you may "console yourself".😆
The following is from Muntakhab-ut-Tawarikh, by Badayuni.

Akbar used to take lessons in Hinduism from a Brahmin named Devi, near his Khawabgah in Fatehpur Sikri. Devi was the interpreter of the story of Mahabharata.(and, a Brahmin, you know 400 years back, would talk in a very complex 'shuddh' Hindi language, better say, more of Sanskrit accent..!😕!..So, if Akbar understood him, why not MUZ...)..Doubt cleared..??..

I mean, the "STRANGE" thing is that they used to understand each other, despite being from different religion, culture, background and speaking different languages. And, this glorifies their relation. 😊. It's clear. And, everything adjusts with time. You are correct, at that time people must be used to that language.

BTW:: -->> Is there any category for nomination as emotional member in JA forum awards..?..I will nominate you, if it is there..😆.. (Take this lightly buddy...😊...M also a "bit" same..)
Edited by history_geek - 11 years ago

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