'I know she does not care for me, but I must ask her': Mr. T

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Sorry I wrote too much and cluttered up the thread, so opened a new topic.

Ok a heart breaking episode I feel just like Jalal my thoughts are going to be all over the place. Please bear with me.

Starting with the first scene. This is the biggest irony of today episode Jodha should have been more abrupt she led him on big time which led to a humiliating heart break for him not just simple plain old heart break but humiliation compounded. I often wondered does Jodha not know that Jalal really really really likes her, maybe love is foreign to her, but like is an emotion she can understand. Any half brained woman would have figured out by now that any man who does and acts like Jalal around you must feel something very deep. Shyamala is bang on Jodha is just plain dense wonder how far apart she is from Javeeda in understanding men. Unfortunately her leading him on is her biggest sin, because she did something that Jalal will never forget or forgive. Alas oh the mother of all ironies when all the times we wanted her to be a little understanding this unfortunately was not one of them.

You know Jalal never truly hated her, I never believed it. He was excited I think that she dared to put a sword on her neck, she was a conquest and he found the chase exciting, all her hatred filled dialogues he did not take on his pride but in good humour, and even when he suspected she could be pregnant by another man he didn't hate her he was upset that someone else had got to his prized possession before he could even in his lowest moment when he confessed to never being so deeply hurt he only wondered why she did this to him but never admitted hating her for having an affair. Now her most apparent kindest action has triggered the one feeling in him for her than even her worst act did not, HATRED. You know why because she did the unthinkable deliberately she made him open up the pandora box a box that he probably would have lived the rest of his life and never opened. She made him bare his feelings and soul, things he never wanted to admit to anyone. But when he fell to the ground I think it hit him like a ton of bricks, not that he was denied physical relations, but when she denied she loved him his mind must have been going oh shit did I just confess all that at that point the humiliation must have felt 1000 times worst than the sword on his neck, did he feel this humiliated when he suspected she carried another man child.

You know I always felt Jalal knows he has a heart a big one at that, he is just pretending otherwise to others. For many of his own reasons maybe declaring openly he is big hearted would make people think he is a weak shehenshah, his eye is on the crown and ruling his empire what does having a heart got to do with that, for him it is a liability. I think it felt like relief for him to finally admit the lie, imagine having to pretend to something for the sake of your position and prestige and when everything in you wants to scream otherwise at times it must be agony. The one lie he is telling others so convincingly but deep down he knows is not true was ripped to shreds by Jodha rebuke. She didn't just go for his jugular she went for his imperial jugular with which his premise of whole kinship has so far been centered. When he openly admits he lost to her, he truly lost that lie, she took that away from him and that is what was on his face in plain fury at having the premise of his existence snatched away so cruelly for no reason. Because he was only going to give up on that lie for a woman who truly loved him, not even Ruq would make him admit otherwise. None of his imaginations had such a moment yesterday, today was all heart.

Shyamala bang on Jodha's use of 'mitr' at the most inappropriate time. This is where expecting the realism of 16th century decorum from these characters is fruitless. I highly doubt any man would have put up with a platonic relationship with a woman during that time, and no ruqaiya does not count their dynamics are different. Forget 16 century even in the 21 century when woman/man use that lets be friends card it is humiliating it is the worst thing to say during a breakup. Infact breakup 101 tells you if you want your former so and so to remain your friend truly if you mean it don't use that word during the break up wait for the dust to settle and wounds to heal. Jalal was down if Jodha didn't understand that at that moment he was at his lowest that using the friend word would further compound his humiliation then I am afraid I can't help but berate her. MA stuck the knife in Jalal heart but Jodha shoved it further in his heart. Ruqaiya is Jalal BFF when a man comes to you so emotional and vulnerable he is not coming to you as a friend, and when she asked him to speak his mind did she not consider he was going to say something that even Ruq had not been privy to, and when she has heard him out she must know a friend would not speak as such and it was the love that he had for her, she should have atleast respected that emotion from his side even if she felt none. I think maybe that is why next day she felt guilty and wanted to apologize. In the end I conclude Jodha doesn't get men or just people in general. I hope our Jalal who was, I stress was, a master at this can make up for this lack of quality in his honar ki khaan.

And for for the first time since the show started he is not able to multi task his mind is not present in the darbar, he has been furious before also distracted but still present right or wrong he still shouts his orders but not today. I think Jalal won't forget easily that she made him bare his soul, with or without the letter he won't be able to forgive her for ripping apart his heart, not until something dramatic happens. Maybe the realization his love trumps her non love will he forgive her, is he that kind of man to give love such prime position its due respect maybe he would have been capable of such an act had those feelings stayed in his heart, but now she has trampled on it. I think being the bigger man is not going to be in him not in his present condition, ball is in Jodha court. We can only guess how he will punish her and how Jodha will have to chase him if at all, he is so love starved that if Jodha takes a u turn will he will be waiting with open arms or will his humiliating rejection overrule even Jodha's earnest feelings whatever they might be. But one thing is for sure nothing short of unbridled love from Jodha side is going to put Jalal on the same friendly terms with her, if she pulls the friend card again I think he might just throw the knife right at her and have it over with lolzzz sorry for the dark comedy.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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No self respecting woman would allow a drunken man who is almost semi conscious to fall all over her...Be it her husband.

Jodha was perfectly justified in doing what she did. She did not lead him on. Hand holding is not tantamount to romancing.All she did was provide some emotional support when he was visibly shaken by holding his hand.
She wasn't aware of his intentions in coming to her chamber for her to lead him on.
That she fails to see that he has fallen in love with her...Well at least she sees he has a heart...When he denies it.
It was a very moving episode . But it was neither of their fault.
They each were right in their place.They just fell into the trap created by Maham.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: prejudiced

No self respecting woman would allow a drunken man who is almost semi conscious to fall all over her...Be it her husband.

Jodha was perfectly justified in doing what she did. She did not lead him on. Hand holding is not tantamount to romancing.All she did was provide some emotional support when he was visibly shaken by holding his hand.
She wasn't aware of his intentions in coming to her chamber for her to lead him on.
That she fails to see that he has fallen in love with her...Well at least she sees he has a heart...When he denies it.
It was a very moving episode . But it was neither of their fault.
They each were right in their place.They just fell into the trap created by Maham.



Clearly I don't understood, if Jalaal is ready, she has to ready because, she is wife ? Then what's the difference between her and other harem ladies. They are allways after him.

From the day he saw Jodha, he fall in love with her and want to conquer her. If she has given herself on first night itself, he may used and thrown her life a furniture.

Jodha guts to reject the Shahansha is what attracted jalaal, she dared to say she hates him openly.

But for Jodha, Jalaal is enemy and married her against her will & knows very well she hates him. She is changing, and now she accepted her relationship level to give him emotional support by holding him hands. She doesn't feel shy or anything just offer him her support and told he can open to tell all in his heart.

Jodha didn't expect Jalaal's love, especially when he asked about letter. She felt he is happy and want to express his happiness about the letter.

It was MA who set up the plan & again Jodha is going to be the victim, as jalaal's anger is diverted to her. Still MA will go scott free .
Edited by abhi786 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: abhi786



Clearly I don't understood, if Jalaal is ready, she has to ready because, she is wife ? Then what's the difference between her and other harem ladies. They are allways after him.

From the day he saw Jodha, he fall in love with her and want to conquer her. If she has given herself on first night itself, he may used and thrown her life a furniture.

Jodha guts to reject the Shahansha is what attracted jalaal, she dared to say she hates him openly.

But for Jodha, Jalaal is enemy and married her against her will & knows very well she hates him. She is changing, and now she accepted her relationship level to give him emotional support by holding him hands. She doesn't feel shy or anything just offer him her support and told he can open to tell all in his heart.

Jodha didn't expect Jalaal's love, especially when he asked about letter. She felt he is happy and want to express his happiness about the letter.

It was MA who set up the plan & again Jodha is going to be the victim, as jalaal's anger is diverted to her. Still MA will go scott free .


I hope you didn't misunderstand what I wrote, nowhere did I say she should have slept with him. The total opposite I wanted her to end the conversation earlier. He didn't feel comfortable touching her at all, infact she held his hand first. I am sorry I just have difficult believing she doesn't gage the full depth of his emotions especially when he threw bombs as hints even a mouse would have caught on. Having blinders and lack of perception is not an excuse, it is a failing but not a justification.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Loved the post.
Jodha has instigated hatred in him for the first time by leading him on to expose his feelings which he had not dared to, to any other human being, and then pulling back at the most inappropriate moment.
She has induced him, inadvertently though, to reveal his biggest secret - his vulnerability and readiness to surrender to a woman he has come to care against his initial instincts. His realisation that he has revealed his precious secret for no returns has devastated him and hit him where it hurts most.
It wasn't the physical denial, it wasn't the actual fall, it is the disclosure of his deep-seated feelings that were rebuffed without even consideration and understanding if not acceptance that shattered him.
This time wish it were Jodha who analyses, and works hard to patch up his nafrat, the way he patched up her ghrina. It would balance the story well and restore the imbalance of Jalal being the generous and Jodha being the undeserved.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

Loved the post.

Jodha has instigated hatred in him for the first time by leading him on to expose his feelings which he had not dared to, to any other human being, and then pulling back at the most inappropriate moment.
She has induced him, inadvertently though, to reveal his biggest secret - his vulnerability and readiness to surrender to a woman he has come to care against his initial instincts. His realisation that he has revealed his precious secret for no returns has devastated him and hit him where it hurts most.
It wasn't the physical denial, it wasn't the actual fall, it is the disclosure of his deep-seated feelings that were rebuffed without even consideration and understanding if not acceptance that shattered him.
This time wish it were Jodha who analyses, and works hard to patch up his nafrat, the way he patched up her ghrina. It would balance the story well and restore the imbalance of Jalal being the generous and Jodha being the undeserved.


I concur with you on the last para sandhya. Jalal put it all out there today he must have not left much in the tank, since his marriage to her and to this day he was leading her. He wanted to marry her, it has always been he he he so far I think it is time for Jodha to take charge. Was she hurt when she married him yes she was we accept that even though on all formats he cannot be blamed, this is a time where winners are keepers and losers are weepers, if one has an issue with that blame the time not the man. I saw no reason for Jodha to hold a grudge for as long as she did not realistic, but that is in the past for what it is worth he did more than enough to make up for that hurt even though I never thought he was at fault. However the pain he is in now cannot be compared to what she had to go through. The story needs to balance. Will Jodha be as strong as Jalal was, does she have the strength to stand by him as he stood by her, ofcourse we must consider Jalal had an incentive to do all that because subconsciously he had a goal insight, Jodha so far has reached her goal a good friendship, too bad that is no longer on the table, will she want to bring it back to that friendship point again, sorry Jo that ain't going to work the second time around.
Edited by loveanime - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Gr8 Post and as u say balance is needed
And my reading is TE (Tedha Emperor for those who dont knw is my nom de plume for Jalal) will most probably also be the first to realise that he is in "LOVE" "ISHQ" since he will knw his love is there stay what ever his Rajvanshi Begum decides.

And I also agree that the next move has to be from Jodha - but before that her heart needs to be broken open - like TE's - to let the light of Love in - and she too needs to loose her guroor - like TE slowly is - as there is no place for pride and ego with love.

In fact both TE and his recalcirant Begum realising it is not just a case of hearts but a story of Souls will not be eough - This time unless TE gets total and complete surrender from his Ameri Mirchi he wont act on his Ishq ka realisation and acceptance - Infact I for one dont want him to - He has given her more that any Rajvanshi husband ever would have !!!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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i had felt so bad for jalal
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Great post. However, I get the feeling that Jalal will be calling the shots even now, for them to reconcile this MU.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I missed this post yesterday , but I'm glad I saw it at least today .

I loved how analyzed Jalal. It's brilliant . Especially the part about lifting off the burden of having to put on facade of heartlessness , the relief that comes with it, of not having to pretend anymore. The fact that he shed the lie that forms a huge part of his existence , it's the core of his being and he revealed that to her. It's not about unrequited love or humiliation it's about him losing the very ground he stands on, his existence was attacked yesterday the one time he allowed himself to be vulnerable . Inadvently she walked over his being and then proceeded to rub salt in his wounds even if she did not mean to. When she doesn't grasp this, that this is the core of his existence , how can she love him like he does her ? His indirect confession of possessing a heart after all should have been a momentous eye opener but it was lost and left unnoticed . I wonder if she will ponder over that later. Through the fake pregnant track he was able to sense something was wrong and act upon it because he realized the core of her existence which blind honesty was attacked. That set off alarm bells in his head. It's what made him later say that he trusts because he knows it's a part if her being . I hope that she will see through his dumb flirting and realize where she punched him yesterday . Then they will come a full circle, once they recognize what elements each one is made off.

Sorry to ramble away but I loved your post and the icing on the cake is that you quoted Thornton whom I ADORE !!

Doesn't that line Thornton says : no one loves me, no one cares for me but you mother seem appropriate here ? Except mother is not here either. Poor jalal :(
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