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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: arnavocean6

Very good analysis personally I feel abuse is relatively easier to come out from. Today u have support systems n all to help u come out of it. Since abuse can produce evidences they can be proved. So if u choose u can use those evidences n save urselves. Others will support u.

But betrayal?
in betrayal, u r the one who trusted n u r the one who lost...can one trust themselves ever again? building self reliance after a betrayal is so hard. If u turn to someone, they'll only say I told u so. Therefore a person is completely left alone to build themselves back. It takes a very high amount of courage n faith to bounce back n shine again . It is not impossible but very difficult compared to coming out of an abuSe.

If one is abused, but if they get love n trust of someone else, the abuse will fade away.

If u r betrayed, then it becomes difficult to trust even if a very true love comes to u again

That's what makes the difference I think.

Do capture betrayal after Fridays epi. I hope asthas upbringing n self reliance takes her out of that betrayal shell.


This is the major dilemma that I have been having since I saw the SBS segment.
How can Astha ever actually forgive and trust Shlok again even if he changes later and does Truelly love her?
I think he will loose her and himself in that process but never gain her or his own self respect.

Trust is the most important building block of any relationship be it between husband and wife, mother and child, brother and sister , friends, colleagues , bosses , every relation. Once that trust is broken how can you ever trust that person again.?

So I. Think CVs should be very careful in showing this , because I do not think Astha or for that matter any individual in that position male or female will not be able to trust that same person again. Yes they may learn to trust somebody else , but not that person and that may be the healing . Similarly for abuse . Even if the abuser changes for better and loves that person , can it that totally heal the wound?
The scars will remain. But if somebody else loves the person and heals the wound , I think the scars may heal too.

So both abuse and betrayal are bad if the person causing it is the same person trying to heal , but the healing will be much better when somebody else does it.




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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: arnavocean6

Very good analysis personally I feel abuse is relatively easier to come out from. Today u have support systems n all to help u come out of it. Since abuse can produce evidences they can be proved. So if u choose u can use those evidences n save urselves. Others will support u.

But people,like NA agree for it???ok it's fictional character ??will system of the Abusers accept they r abusing??a wife or daughter can Have power of energy to lead the egoist abuser to holy water to purify.
But betrayal?
in betrayal, u r the one who trusted n u r the one who lost...can one trust themselves ever again? building self reliance after a betrayal is so hard. If u turn to someone, they'll only say I told u so. Therefore a person is completely left alone to build themselves back. It takes a very high amount of courage n faith to bounce back n shine again . It is not impossible but very difficult compared to coming out of an abuSe.

Loved a girl and Married for a purpose .shows a true colors..what about system betrayal arranged marriage, marrying for parents or some reason is also betrayal or say blind trust marriage. But 73%
Arranged marriage r working why ? Not knowing hubby before committing why ..the system so itself betrays.father betrayed son for power.
Mother betrayed and said live in hell bcoz thats your Inlaws house(anajli,jyothi). But behind betrayal is hidden truth..the love of care is there,can feel hurt.most importantly, do not close down your heart! Keep that sweet heart of yours open. Choose forgiveness over protection. Please do not form or perpetuate a limiting belief that you cannot trust people. Use this experience of betrayal as a reminder to come back to the ultimate source of trust: The Uni-verse. As astha is trust she should be in mode of u.reverse.

If one is abused, but if they get love n trust of someone else, the abuse will fade away.

Very apt shown here.


If u r betrayed, then it becomes difficult to trust even if a very true love comes to u again


That's what makes the difference I think.

Do capture betrayal after Fridays epi. I hope asthas upbringing n self reliance takes her out of that betrayal shell.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Yes very apt . So hopefully we have seen Shlok now completely trusting Astha. He was betrayed by Swati but Astha brought that trust back to him. He said that she has won his trust for life.

Shall we see the same with Astha.? Will Shlok the same person who probably is betraying her bring back the trust ? The way he paves his way is very important here.

If he makes her understand why he told her so , to make her a stronger person , then yes he will doubly win her trust. It is for the Cvs now to potray it in the best way .

Yes, Astha itself is faith, his trust, so can he ever betray himself? His true soul, his own image ? If not then he will not betray Astha . She is his image - his soul, his wajud. She has made way into his heart through her heart ( remember the heart on uptan morning which said I love you Astha )





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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sg2013

Yes very apt . So hopefully we have seen Shlok now completely trusting Astha. He was betrayed by Swati but Astha brought that trust back to him. He said that she has won his trust for life.


Shall we see the same with Astha.? Will Shlok the same person who probably is betraying her bring back the trust ? The way he paves his way is very important here.

If he makes her understand why he told her so , to make her a stronger person , then yes he will doubly win her trust. It is for the Cvs now to potray it in the best way .

Yes, Astha itself is faith, his trust, so can he ever betray himself? His true soul, his own image ? If not then he will not betray Astha . She is his image - his soul, his wajud. She has made way into his heart through her heart ( remember the heart on uptan morning which said I love you Astha )


Flipping coins Ina heads way means not harsh way of shlok but the same all sot or allcoation.
Like let's start with
1, shlok asking yo say accept ..Aastha saying back u dont love me right why should I do,what should I do ,when there is no love,
Confession before ..
2, shlok saying identity and existence..she has to show her identity Aastha need not your name
3, and existence not even peeking he is next to her.
4, she saying I hate I hate u.. I hate u.
5,she using the same media saying shlok Jutish words and deeds as good..and so ion.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Madhu di.loved d description...

The pouring of the milk and water - obviously for purification. Shlok will need that again at some point and it is to be seen if Astha will be there with him at that time.

agree di..
i liked ur comparison di..
so u think Advoot-kalindiji will nt be there to help their daughter??am nt sure abt that..
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: aisumalavika

Madhu di.loved d description...

The pouring of the milk and water - obviously for purification. Shlok will need that again at some point and it is to be seen if Astha will be there with him at that time.

agree di..
i liked ur comparison di..
so u think Advoot-kalindiji will nt be there to help their daughter??am nt sure abt that..


Yep they will be not there as it's a girl fight in inner rooms.

And the significance is by suchi, sg2013 we collab together ..
Hey did u see the vidoes of today's eiposdes r removed why..

Shlok,had done sins in marriage..it's not revenge it betrayed.

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