Rebel indeed - cause / no cause

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Posted: 19 years ago
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My first reaction to the medals being returned was of sadness for the families of those who lost their lives defending security of the parliament of India.

The truth is, majority of can only desire peace having no means to achieve it. Acts of terror hamper life immensely at a political and as a result, at socio-economic level.

Truthfully, my impulsive reaction was employing the ending of the movie "KHAKEE". Kill Afzal in an encounter what should look like an attempt of prison break and escape.

The following article makes me take a step back and ask several questions

1) terrorism spreads like cancer. Unless you can get rid of every cell, don't mess with it. Is it really possible to wipe off terrorism / is that utopic to believe so?

2) Should we allow our impulse and emotions to rule, even if it meant a long-term increased risk and economic instability ? (eg. Bush in Iraq)

3) Rebels have no leader and probably no cause, my question is DO WE HAVE A LEADER?? or are we as direction-less as are they?

Your thought?


In India's interest: clemency for Afzal
16 December 2006

Clemency for Mohammed Afzal Guru would eventually be in India's interest, says Prem Shankar Jha.


Prem Shankar JhaThe convergence of three events on the same day has brought the fate of Mohammad Afzal Guru squarely back to the centre of the political radar screen. On Wednesday parliamentarians paid homage to the security personnel who lost their lives while defending parliament house against the terrorist attack of 13 December, 2001.

Even as they were doing so, the relatives of several of the men slain on that day returned the gallantry medals that the deceased had been awarded, stating that they would only take them back when the death sentence on Guru had been carried out. And also on the same day, Guru himself made his last, forlorn, bid to save his life by filing a curative petition that would get his case reviewed by a larger panel of four, instead of two, supreme court judges.

The convergence is unfortunate because it once again confuses two issues that desperately need to be kept separate. These are the question of his guilt or innocence and the nature of his punishment.

The curative petition addresses the former, and seeks a reversal of the sessions court's judgment on the grounds that it did not follow the procedure laid down by the Delhi legal aid rules and therefore deprived Guru of the right to a fair trial. That is a plea that has been heard before, so the outcome may be no different even if a new, enlarged bench hears the arguments. But all it will establish is that Guru is guilty and needs to face punishment.

The second issue is the punishment that Guru should be awarded for his crime, now that he has been found guilty. The president's powers of clemency — to reduce the death sentence to one of life imprisonment — concern solely this issue. He therefore has a solemn duty to prevent the almost hysterical furore that has developed in the country over the first issue from colouring his decision on the second. If a rumour circulating in Delhi is to be believed, the home ministry has made that task infinitely more difficult by deciding to oppose the grant of clemency to Guru.

Even if this is true, and even if Dr Manmohan Singh chooses to forward the recommendation to the President, this will not diminish his responsibility for the final decision. For the president's powers of clemency are uniquely his own. This is the one area in which his decision is final and cannot be overruled by Parliament or cabinet. . Thus he, and he alone, must bear responsibility for the consequences of his decision.

Let me spell out, as simply as I can, what these are likely to be should he refuse to grant clemency. In Kashmir Guru's hanging will have exactly the same effect as the hanging of Maqbool Butt had in February 1984. Till then the Kashmiri separatist movement had been by and large peaceful and marginal. Not only did Butt's hanging draw hundreds of young men like Yassin Malik and Mushtaq Latram into the separatist movement, but for the first time they began to cross the border with the specific purpose of getting trained in the use of arms. The fruits of that monumental blunder are still poisoning us.

The repercussions of hanging Guru will almost certainly be a hundred times more serious. The militant leaders of the 1989 insurgency are now in their late thirties and early forties. They are tired men who have learned the hard way that the gun holds no answers. But for precisely this reason they are no longer icons to the new generation of disaffected, educated youth in the valley.

The resemblance between this and the previous generation ends there. These young men have known no peace and have never seen the benign face of India. On the contrary they have been hardened into unrelenting hatred by 18 years of conflict and incessant militant and Pakistani propaganda.

They have also been influenced by two decades of creeping Wahabi-ism, and are boiling with rage at the world-wide targeting of Muslims that is a by-product of the West's war on terror and they regard India as the West's ally in this war. Today they are rebels without a leader, in search of a cause. Guru's hanging will almost certainly send a substantial number of them into the arms of the Lashkar-e-Tayyiba, and the Jaish-e-Muhammad.

A second Kashmiri insurrection under the Lashkar's and Jaish's auspices will make it impossible for Islamabad to take action against their leaders in Pakistan. This will put an end to the Indo-Pak dialogue on Kashmir, and the prospects of peace between the two countries. That will leave the hawks fully in charge in Islamabad.

One consequence will be a renewed bid by the military to ride on the Taliban's coat tails in Afghanistan despite the dangers that such a policy would entail. Another will be a free hand to the Jihadis and the ISI to destabilise India. The resulting increase in the instability of the region, and in terrorist attacks on Indian targets, will make foreign investors shy away from India. Portfolio investment will go first. This will cause an outflow of capital that will bring the stock market crashing down, force domestic interest rates up, crush the industrial boom, and provoke a foreign exchange crisis.

Do we really need any of this? Can we even contemplate taking such a huge risk with India's future? We might have had no option if the death penalty had been mandatory for Guru's crimes. But India no longer has a mandatory death sentence, only a discretionary one. Should anyone whom the nation has made the guardian of its future, be he home minister, prime minister or president, exercise his discretionary power to bring such untold harm down on India's head?

* The author, a noted analyst and commentator, is a former editor of the Hindustan Times, The Economic Times and The Financial Express, and a former information adviser to the prime minister of India. He is the author of several books including, The Perilous Road to the Market: The Political Economy of Reform in Russia, India and China, and Kashmir 1947: The Origins of a Dispute, and a regular columnist with several leading publications.

(The author's articles can be read at www.premshankarjha.com)

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Posted: 19 years ago
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The current situation in Kashmir is not a result of the hanging of the Maqbool Butt in 1984, It is b'cos of the idiotic decision of Mr Rajiv Gandhi to lay presidents rule in Kashmir overlaying a democratically elected govt in the state and now lacs are people are dead.

If the hanging of Afzal causes an uproar, fine, let them come on streets protesting, and shoot the people who are protesting against it, you know where their loyalties stand.

Sick and tired of these people coming out of the woodwork to create a new headache everyday. It is b'cos of the people like the author of the article here that we find ourselves in a position of a "Soft" state.

It is time we start to look beyond the Gandhi's(I mean all 😉 ) they created a Punjab issue, they created a Kashmir issue, lot of people died b'cos of this.

We know Manmohan Singh however educated he is, is not fit to be a PM 😡 , now this question is going to decide the same about Mr Abdul Kalam...

Clock is ticking on our President Mr Abdul Kalam now, let us see whether he puts his religion before his nation 😃

For me, I would rather kill someone with a death, using a fashion that will put a fear in the mind of the next one that comes up to shoot up the parliament.

My suggestion, take Afzal to the gallows every day, take him a step closer to death every day and then hang him a year from today, that is a little bit of a repayment for the thousand deaths the relatives of the jawans have to face everyday

sorry if my statements hurt anyone's feelings

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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: sareg



For me, I would rather kill someone with a death, using a fashion that will put a fear in the mind of the next one that comes up to shoot up the parliament.

My suggestion, take Afzal to the gallows every day, take him a step closer to death every day and then hang him a year from today, that is a little bit of a repayment for the thousand deaths the relatives of the jawans have to face everyday

sorry if my statements hurt anyone's feelings



I agree fully sareg. Terrorize the terrorist is the way to go.
I am just beginning to question whether any harsh treatment will terrorize them enough to get their act together.. They have too much of barren anger growing nothing but anger.
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Posted: 19 years ago
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This guy deserves gallows
No second thoughts about that...

The Indian government has always been perceived a soft state because of its leniency in several issues.. or you can say every issue drags over 5 years and by that time there is a change of power and attitude at the center....

loopholes in politics and party mentalities.....
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Clamency for terrorists is a bad idea. In NY, the terrorist that carried out US embessy Bombing in Kenya were given life instead of Death...with a stupid beliefe that they were not really all that bad - they were just indocterined. Nine months later they did 9/11.
I do not believe the values of humanity and concience we follow is part of theyr mental make up.
Who really believes that If India were to say let this Afzal swine free, that will shock Lashker-e- or Harkat-ul- or any number of swinegangs into a deep remorse and we will have a 'subah ka bhula hua sham ghar laut aaya' moment?
On the other hand, let us say they have total control over J&K someday...will that satisfy them and will they spend rest of their lives making it the heaven on Earth it once supposedly was? Of course not, as soon as that happens (if it ever in a Godforsaken moment does happen) they will immidiately lose interest in Kashmir and willset siteon othe parts of India and world using Kashmir as a set up for some more swinepits like they have in Afghanistan, Sudan and Yamen.
That is not what these people are in business for! They want power and control over every human soul. That is what they think they have a mandate of from none other than God!
The only way to get over these people is to fight in every possible way...anything that helps them, we ought to search, block and destroy -starting with isolating thier identity from anything on Earth that remotely resembles religion, nationality or idology.[/quote]

I agree with abhijit. well said.
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: abhijit shukla



I agree with you post except the above. President Kalam is always an Indian first. Even if he were to take a decision I and you do not agree with, I would not doubt hid Patriotism. From what I have heard, he reads Gita everyday....something most Hindus don't do.
Then again....like I said in the other post, most important thing to do with likes of Afzal, Osama and Zwahiri and the L-e-🤬 and other swine is to take away their shroud of identity as whatever religion they might claim they belong to.
Hurt the terroris for sure, but it is in everyone's best interest to separate religion from terrorism.

Sorry did not mean to question the patriotism of Dr Abdul Kalam😳(he has better credentials at that than me), however, if he grants clemency to Afzal, that is going to be his legacy forever, however wrong it is.😭

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Posted: 18 years ago
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