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Posted: 11 years ago

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zoya_naziya

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Posted: 11 years ago

#752

Originally posted by: 0-SD-0
Sarada,
Taliban !!! 😆

Truly speaking, post 7-phera wedding of RK and MB, when Sultan was leaving, Sultan's role ended. And there needed to be another MALE entry who could play step brother of RK with Meera. It would have wonderfully clicked. But the stingy production house could not get a new entry. At this point I will not blame Colors channel, as they had realized Sultan debacle, JDJ had started and they started promoting RK. So it was Nautanki's responsibility to invest themselves in story and not put the blame on DD's participation in JDJ. The new step brother with another actor would have come like welcome challenge to the newly wedded couple.

Alas, Nautanki could only offer us STINGY Presentation. I mean literally they are stingy.

Compared to them, Rajshri Productions...Pyaar ka Dard hai...they bring in actors for new plots. Soap stories should be written like that. This is just an example. Supporting roles are the crux and staple for running soap stories for the leads...but Nautanki is stubborn enough to break this ground rule.

Cheers.

P.S: Write Happy Topics. You will feel good.

Shri, I would beg to differ here.

RM marriage was given the go-ahead only coz Sultan would be made a central character after RM marriage... There were many articles around RM marriage where Prashant Bhatt himself went onto quote that Sultan will be the central character in the show now onwards.

As for bringing in RK on JDJ to promote MB, it only means that the channel had realized the popularity of RK the character..

Read this article

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/madhubala-ek-ishq-ek-junoon/3737749/toi-telly-baddies-return-to-ruin-kuku

Prashant Bhatt, fiction head of a popular Hindi GEC, says, "When it comes to negative characters on screen, there should be no caricatures. That TV is ruled by women is true, but now, even RK is as popular as Madhubala. So now the audiences are ready to accept male antagonists also."

You can clearly see the creative difference between ST and PB where the former is trying to preserve and project RK as the hero and the latter is projecting him as the villain.. and they both are supposed to be working together.

2) The PH stretched out the clunk only in the month of August after being given the go-ahead.As per various news items floating around that time, the next track was supposed to start in first/second week of August but they waited for god knows what reason.

It could be coz of DD bcoz she was understandably very fatigued and tired and despite being present on the screen, she didn't get involved with her character at all which reflected. The PH refused to reduce her screen time and continued with the clunk and she also did what she could. The heroine track is supposed to be her track and they needed her 200% in it, so they might have waited out. but it is my speculation.

3) Most importantly, RK-Sultan face-offs have always brought in TRP's for the show, in the sense that max TRP of the week would be around the episodes involving their face-off's.. Knowing this statistics, still the CV's didn't utilise RK-Sultan interactions and effectively kept RK out of the Sultan drama but pushed Madhu knowing that it is something that is not palatable to the TRP audience... Kyun? why? I don't think it is rocket science to decipher that it might have been deliberate. Anyhow.. god only knows what the PH thought..

4) As for the PH being stingy, for the bollywod track that is going on, they have brought in all good expercienced actors in a span of 2 weeks which means that they have been in talks with the actors for quite some time.

But alas, once again I dunno something is not working out as planned and yet again looks like they are changing tracks at the drop of a hat coz the characters are suddenly going back on their dialogues in a span of one week and am assuming clunk is going to seep in once again😆 anyways lets see...

But then this is supposedly the last track. If it works out for ST, then fine otherwise it is PACKUP for the show😃

Disclaimer: Am not saying that the PH is doodh ka dhula😆 Sab mein ek RK hai😆

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zoya_naziya

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Posted: 11 years ago

#753

Shri, Re. Bani,

The love-angst -pain stories need to captivate ,to a certain extent, the younger generation (20's and 30's as well). The major factor could be that it's been quite a few months and still there seems to be not too much of a development of coming together of the leads. The drama is keeping on stretching and there is only anticipation of romance. Could be the regressive backdrop isn't so welcoming for such type of audiences as well

I for one don't like the set-up of the main characters..I understand the love Sohum has for Bani but somewhere in all of that there was so much of an injustice to rajji that I felt ki after all this, will Sohum ever develop anything for Rajji. For me, it was tragedy both ways. if he can move on then also it doesn't appeal and if he doesn't move on also it is unappealing coz of Rajji...

It's been quite some time since I saw the show but this was the status when I watched it for a few days here and there..

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zoya_naziya

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Posted: 11 years ago

#754

Shri, forgot to tell this..

Kamya Punjabi who was supposed to play the don Daya mai in Jaan has entered Big Boss and they replaced her with Shilpa Shinde.. And the character has finally made an entry into the show last week as well...

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Shridevi Gaddam

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Posted: 11 years ago

#755

Originally posted by: zoya_naziya

Shri, I would beg to differ here.
RM marriage was given the go-ahead only coz Sultan would be made a central character after RM marriage... There were many articles around RM marriage where Prashant Bhatt himself went onto quote that Sultan will be the central character in the show now onwards.

As for bringing in RK on JDJ to promote MB, it only means that the channel had realized the popularity of RK the character..
Read this article
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/madhubala-ek-ishq-ek-junoon/3737749/toi-telly-baddies-return-to-ruin-kuku
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Prashant Bhatt, fiction head of a popular Hindi GEC, says, "When it comes to negative characters on screen, there should be no caricatures. That TV is ruled by women is true, but now, even RK is as popular as Madhubala. So now the audiences are ready to accept male antagonists also."
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You can clearly see the creative difference between ST and PB where the former is trying to preserve and project RK as the hero and the latter is projecting him as the villain.. and they both are supposed to be working together.

2) The PH stretched out the clunk only in the month of August after being given the go-ahead.As per various news items floating around that time, the next track was supposed to start in first/second week of August but they waited for god knows what reason.

It could be coz of DD bcoz she was understandably very fatigued and tired and despite being present on the screen, she didn't get involved with her character at all which reflected. The PH refused to reduce her screen time and continued with the clunk and she also did what she could. The heroine track is supposed to be her track and they needed her 200% in it, so they might have waited out. but it is my speculation.

3) Most importantly, RK-Sultan face-offs have always brought in TRP's for the show, in the sense that max TRP of the week would be around the episodes involving their face-off's.. Knowing this statistics, still the CV's didn't utilise RK-Sultan interactions and effectively kept RK out of the Sultan drama but pushed Madhu knowing that it is something that is not palatable to the TRP audience... Kyun? why? I don't think it is rocket science to decipher that it might have been deliberate. Anyhow.. god only knows what the PH thought..

4) As for the PH being stingy, for the bollywod track that is going on, they have brought in all good expercienced actors in a span of 2 weeks which means that they have been in talks with the actors for quite some time.
But alas, once again I dunno something is not working out as planned and yet again looks like they are changing tracks at the drop of a hat coz the characters are suddenly going back on their dialogues in a span of one week and am assuming clunk is going to seep in once again😆 anyways lets see...

But then this is supposedly the last track. If it works out for ST, then fine otherwise it is PACKUP for the show😃

Disclaimer: Am not saying that the PH is doodh ka dhula😆 Sab mein ek RK hai😆

Zoya,

Point by point, you have gone into detailed assessment. Got to know the PH action plan and see that as usually they have faltered. ST's concept is always really good. But execution is quite dodgy. And I am really starting to feel that truly he does his execution in Nautanki style. As in the Nautanki genre of Theater. You will have to research on Nautanki's on web and you will see that they are loud and cannot exactly fall into TELE-Cinematic format. They use minimal but KEY characters. Now whether ST truly intends to go by Nautanki style true to his PH name or it just becomes that, I do not know, but definitely the loudness and focussed way of presentation, mixing a lot of clunk to drive the story and again portray the psychological vantage of the characters for sometime that it starts to irritate us, the art direction in the form of sets and colors-lighting , pointing to elation, macabre or sinister presentation is actually note-worthy. Whatever people complain about the screenplay and the story, the other visuals and psychological representation of the character, rules the roost as it adds a recalling factor for the audience.

RK was a anti-hero with swagger to begin with and adding Madhu into his life, ST gradually turned him into a hero. Once he became the hero, he started targeting his swagger and gradually that is being punctured bit by bit. Last when I left the show in July, it was RK's obstinate resolve to keep thinking himself as the Superstar with lot of his swagger intact. He is so proud that his biggest problem was him accepting that he can commit such a lowly act as kill someone. That itself is a big weakness of character. I always used to say, RK has stifled his weak character (the Rishabh within him) by becoming RK. I was always saying until Rishabh learns to have RK decide the better for him, more or less everything will be dirty and ugly in his life. As to why I enjoyed the show was, I was against Madhu's stupid actions, so anything going against her was enjoyable. But point is behind Madhu's stupid and clunky actions, its always the story of RK and Rishabh inside him. By the time I stopped watching the show, for me I needed a break from seeing Madhu on screen...as in it was becoming daily overdose. But RK, I never have any problem, as I know what I want him to grow as...the Rishabh inside really growing up...but then that will be end of story, so I know to keep patience. By July,. ST had badly badgered RK's swagger and that bearded look was highlighting it.

After that stupid divorce drama...I have not watched and cannot say how far it was justified and how RK or Rishabh character was shining through, but its my belief that ST built up an illusion of swagger around him to puncture him again.

So I see that, ST will always play around RK-Rishabh's weaknesses and he's gonna puncture him throughout his story-telling. Its not Madhu's story per se, but RK's story as Madhu keeps bringing drama into his life.

The other reason I left the show is not because I cannot see the soap, I left the show because, DD's beauty started becoming overrated to me...as in I was being overfed of DD, her backless blouses and Madhu. At heart, I am a girl, who loves to see next door girls. I like girls who are simple dressed, cannot take in too much and senseles fashion and plastic beauty. Instead of peace, it starts disturbing me. In contrast, that is the reason, why I like to see girls like in Bani serial or Veera or even DABH. They are dressed and yet there is a sense to their dress and sets around them. Madhu's character of being virtuous character and wearing backless blouses does not gel with me. This is my personal problem...and I know that show's selling factor is actually DD's physical avatar rather than Madhu's character and this is as much a staple food for ST's story-telling. Its like hiring bimbettes in muti-starrer hero oriented movies.

Coming to bolded...re Prashanth Bhatt's line in your post ;

I differ at the interpretation. I understood the line as him saying, there used to heroine oriented stories and there is acceptance towards hero (which is RK in present context) and there used to be VAMPS running the show, now people have to come forward to accept VILLAIN as in the male antagonist like Sultan.

And I agree with him. Because I do long to go back to a period where soaps can have equal contribution from hero-heroine-vamp and villain.

That was what I understood always and that was why I was saying PH should have gone ahead and hired a new male antagonist. But again due to the line quoted by you, I seem to be comprehending why inspite of all differences between Nautanki and Colors, why they chose to run the male antagonist with Avinash Rekhi himself. They needed to reap all the benefit that went into promoting him as a character and once established, they could take him down as male antagonist. Its like it will go into their books as that kind of experiment. Its again about what vision they have and what kind of concept programming they want to have. Agree, its like Jagya at one time used as antagonist and now making him a character.

As much as I hate Colors sometimes, I must say, Colors does a lot of thinking for its content just like Sony. And that's again somewhat like Zee. That's why I used to flip channels and always see what's running on their channel. Its these competitors who push Star to perform well and we are getting enjoyable dramas. This time I saw that I was again watching Colors, Sony, Zee and let Discovery and Animal Planet run. All we need to do is flip channels, and we get our timepass and can go to sleep.

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Shridevi Gaddam

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Posted: 11 years ago

#756

Originally posted by: zoya_naziya
Shri, Re. Bani,
The love-angst -pain stories need to captivate ,to a certain extent, the younger generation (20's and 30's as well). The major factor could be that it's been quite a few months and still there seems to be not too much of a development of coming together of the leads. The drama is keeping on stretching and there is only anticipation of romance. Could be the regressive backdrop isn't so welcoming for such type of audiences as well

I for one don't like the set-up of the main characters..I understand the love Sohum has for Bani but somewhere in all of that there was so much of an injustice to rajji that I felt ki after all this, will Sohum ever develop anything for Rajji. For me, it was tragedy both ways. if he can move on then also it doesn't appeal and if he doesn't move on also it is unappealing coz of Rajji...
It's been quite some time since I saw the show but this was the status when I watched it for a few days here and there..

Zoya,

This is a pure Social Evil Awareness show. Its like Balika Vadhu. Anandi could never have a rosy life as she was supposed to suffer to show the social evil on the screen. In that story, where Jagya could have made Anandi's life rosy, Jagya is made wilfully and intentionally bad so that social evil can be pointed. And today by the end of it both Anandi and Jagya wanted/want to have meaningful and peaceful life with fruitful marriages. Anandi has settled well, but the same Bal Var in Jagya today wants to have a good marriage and is not one minute happy to again get forcefully married to a girl like Saanchi because his family is choosing for him.

All that is social awareness for people. Yes, you ask me and I tell you. India has changed a lot since the time I was in my 20's. 26th year I had got married. Things were traditionally done. Breaking tradition and conservative was difficult for even a girl like me who grew up independently and in Delhi, so much that even my parents had to bow down to people. And by my 32nd year, I saw changes tripping into the system, walls breaking. And in here, when we tried to maintain decorum and control mistakes or lessons learnt in my marriage for my brother's arranged marriage, we saw that now we were going backwards and people had moved to other systems. People like us who are naive and follow advise from other people want to have faith in a systemic thought and we have been victims in trying to adhere to a systemic thought. Now we know that values have broken down and now its pure survival, so we know how to understand current society,

The same way, in Bani-Ishq da Kalma, both Bani and Rajji will not be made happy. They will be victims of marriage or rather struggling to make it work. Along side, Soham will be shown getting disillusioned or trying to be a good man, a man trying to balance himself standing on two boats. The story concept itself is a tragedy. That is the reason, people may not enjoy and its put on late slot for mature audience and again at 1 PM in the afternoon for house-women to watch after work in their home. And there is plenty of drama just like when we were watching Hum Log, Buniyaad or Tamas in yesteryears. I really enjoy watching it. I have to tell you how many times I have cried. That's a good dramatic presentation.

And all characters are justified. No one is spared. We like and dislike them. Honestly Rajji is herself to be blamed for her plight today and what is good about her is that realized this and that's why she is working hard to keep her marriage. If only she had not meddled with Bani's love interest or being her well wisher, she would never have ended up getting engaged to Amreek (to save Bani's love), never making Sohum succeessfully hopeful about Bani, never making Desho (Bani's mother) go after Parmeet as she would have settled Bani with Amreek, never would have Rajji felt suffocated and idiotic around Amreek's attempts to befriend her or woo her, never would have Amreek felt that its a mistake marring a woman who does not reciprocate his love and nevet would he have abandoned the marriage.

So ultimately, who ran the drama ? It was Rajji in her love and innocence. She loved her sister Bani so much. And now today the same sister has suddenly realized what happened around her. And she is just left with remnants trying to get a grip on her reality. She was shown telling her brother Keerat, that she is to be blamed for Amreek abandoning her and what all happened to her. Now that is enough.

This is where elders had to be scrutinizing their younger ones actions. But they are all idiots and fools to wish to see what they desire to see. So that's a tragedy in itself.

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Shridevi Gaddam

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Posted: 11 years ago

#757

Originally posted by: zoya_naziya
Shri, forgot to tell this..
Kamya Punjabi who was supposed to play the don Daya mai in Jaan has entered Big Boss and they replaced her with Shilpa Shinde.. And the character has finally made an entry into the show last week as well...

Thanks for this. The name Kamya Punjabi for Big Boss was ringing a bell in my head, but I was not able to get why the ring in my head. Poor her...she waited too long for her to make presence on the screen. That again goes to tell, Nautanki PH plays with actors. Priyal Gor went to media and reported how Nautanki stood her up with Jaan. And we know VD, DD, Farookh and other stories. They are truly not professional. If Ekta is tyrannical, so is Nautanki unprofessional.

I have to say, the TV Industry these days needs labour laws implemented..

Did you hear the story of the 90 member exodus from Jodha Akbar Team ? and how Ekta replaced the exodus, such is her power and such is the poor working condition that even a mass exodus is not a threat to PH. The poor people by risking their jobs wanted to rebel and it failed.

They say in Japan, the don't go for strike in Indian way. Instead of not working, they over work so that the JIT (Just in time) approach of production gets hit with flooding of inventory to hold no place at all. That works. In India there is no easy way for the labour to win. They work too much, it will benefit production, they strike, they can be replaced by other labour. What works is not working when protected by labour laws. And one has to see this before thinking of strike. So TV Industry needs implementation of labour policy. The unions should be there and everyone knowing their rights.

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zoya_naziya

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: 0-SD-0

Thanks for this. The name Kamya Punjabi for Big Boss was ringing a bell in my head, but I was not able to get why the ring in my head. Poor her...she waited too long for her to make presence on the screen. That again goes to tell, Nautanki PH plays with actors. Priyal Gor went to media and reported how Nautanki stood her up with Jaan. And we know VD, DD, Farookh and other stories. They are truly not professional. If Ekta is tyrannical, so is Nautanki unprofessional.

Ekta has been in the industry for very long and she wields the power as well.. You can't do any kind of shaanpatti with her.. You rather talk with her and put forth your grievances before her. if she thinks its valid, she might consider ,otherwise she lets you walk out..

Nautanki have just started out and yes ofcourse they are unprofessional.. they sign up actors saying so and so is the role but you never know when it might be scrapped..Zarina Wahab, Vinay Apte, Arti Puri, the man who played Rashid, etc..

but still they have been lucky with actors like; Raza Murad came back when he was wanted, Rakhi (Roma) came whenever she was called and even now she is present in this track...

Actually NF people experiment too much with their story-line.. it might be very bizarre as well.. and it becomes glaringly visible where they have actually gone in for a change.

Infact for NF who want popularity, colors is a good choice for their shows coz they don't have a tagline...

Life OK- ain't very popular among the masses.. mahadev is an exception but phir bhi it garners only 1.2-1.4 which is way less than most of the crappy shows on other popular channels.

Star-Plus, Zee : their concept/storyline will have to adhere to their tagline otherwise I don't think they will consider

Sony : It isn't doing well when it comes to fiction programming in recent times.. their shows attract minority audiences..

Colors were essentially catering to the typical saas-bahu audience... But with the advent of reality shows like big boss and JDJ, they attracted the youth as well and then they proceeded with luring these people to fiction through Madhubala- saying a common girl will become heroine and upar se guaranteeing that it is a love story... They will keep sustaining this portion of the audience by having a staple love story in their fiction programming...

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