Jodha Akbar 66: The curate's egg

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Folks,

For those puzzled by the title, a curate's egg is good in parts. So it was with the episode today.

Jodha: She gave me a pleasant surprise by displaying a remarkable and unexpected degree of both good sense and pragmatism. First, she was careful not to alarm Rahim in any way, or give him any indication that anything was wrong or cause for alarm, and her gentle scene with the frightened child was utterly charming , Next, she decided not to take Mahaam head on, or go to the Shahenshah and accuse Mahaam of the crime till she had accumulated solid sakshya. She realises that Rahim's evidence would not be enough, nor even that of the dibbi alone. True to type, she keeps Moti fully in the loop.

She does utter a few predictable and angry phrases about never giving her kshama to either Mahaam, for the disgrace she had brought on to the Amer royals and on Amer itself, or the Shahenshah, for having destroyed her sister's chance of happiness because of his vivekheen nirnay. But by now one is so used to these fulminations that one hardly notices them!

There were 2 noteworthy omissions in this peroration.

- One, Jodha seems not at all bothered by the fact that Ratan Singh was a shelterer of dacoits who preyed on innocent people, and was in effect a dacoit at one remove himself, and thus hardly good husband material for Sukanya.

- Two, she never mentions the death of Jalal's baby as something for which she would not forgive Mahaam.

Having made such an impressive start, Jodha then proceeded to muff her lines and muck things up. The cardinal rule in investigations where the evidence against the suspect has not yet been sewn up is NOT to let the suspect get the least whiff of his/her being under suspicion. For an alerted suspect will naturally move heaven and earth to fudge or destroy the evidence, and perhaps even get rid of the witness(es). All the more reason then, when the suspect is the redoubtable Mahaam Anga, as poisonous as a rattlesnake and as quick to strike from her position of power as the Wazir-e-Aaliya, the quintessential insider in Agra palace intrigues.

So what does apni Jodha do? She seems suddenly bitten by the show off bug, and summons Mahaam to the royal kitchens for what was obviously intended to be a cat and mouse game of veiled insinuations, culminating in a direct accusation against Mahaam. What was totally unclear in this exercise - where Paridhi did very well, with her large, limpid eyes reflecting the mood of each moment beautifully - was what it was supposed to achieve, other than giving advance warning to that purani khiladi Mahaam.

At that point Jodha's script, whatever it was, goes awry, for the wannabe mongoose is suddenly attacked by the rattlesnake. Mahaam Anga seizes the bit in her mouth, like a runaway horse, and hustles Jodha to meet the Shahenshah.

It does not seem that Jodha realises her mistake in precipitating matters, for she precedes Mahaam to Jalal's rooms with her head held high and with every appearance of confidence. So much so that even Mahaam is shaken for an instant, wondering what proof Jodha might have against her.

But once in the presence of a preoccupied Shahenshah, when Jodha does not offer anything - neither an accusation nor evidence - Mahaam realises that Begum Jodha's cards are weak. She then does her number on Jalal to such effect that the tables are turned against Jodha, at least for the present, as Jalal glares at her over Mahaam's head, as he holds her in a comforting embrace.

Mahaam has the advantage of having had a dry run for this kind of self-exculpatory lamentation with Adham the other day, but she outdoes herself this time. The woman's ability to weep so copiously at the drop of a hat never ceases to amaze me. Jalal does not stand a chance under this deluge of high emotion from his Badiammi. Neither does Jodha.

One presumes that the Rahim angle is brought out after Ruqaiya, with a mind as sharp as a steel trap, gets into the act, and, if the SBS segment is correct, it ends up discrediting Jodha thoroughly. Again only for the present, but the matter seems likely to drag on for a while yet.

That it comes to this sorry pass after that serendipitous revelation by Rahim does no credit to Jodha. It could have been so easily avoided, and moreover, it has definitely made it much more difficult to pin Mahaam down.

Jalal: He does himself proud throughout. Setting aside his cares of state - Minister Shamsuddin has a whole laundry list of problems for him about disaffection in various parts of the empire - Jalal still receives his father in law promptly and with respect.

In his scene with Bharmal, Jalal shows that he is that rara avis, an emperor who has the humility, the candour and the good sense to openly acknowledge his mistake, accept a reproof from his father-in-law, request him not to take it personally but as something due to reasons of state, actually seek his advice, and promise to take it in good part and not to repeat his mistake. I cannot think of any other monarch as powerful as he is who would do even a fraction as much, capping it by going to see Bharmal off at the gates of Agra Fort. He does not let his imperial ego stand in the way of his desire to make amends for the wrong he has done, and that is both admirable in itself and very rare, both in his era or in any other.

Bharmal, worried about his family's reputation, goes into a spiel about choti and badi patthar ki lakeer, and his desire that Jalal should go down in history as a just king by repairing the injustice done to his innocent children by a greater act of justice. I could not make head or tail of what he was proposing, nor, I suspect, could Jalal. Nor, come to think of it, Bharmal himself, though he was carrying on as if he was the direct descendant of Manu the Lawgiver himself.

Jalal of course does not remind him of his folly in contracting an alliance for Sukanya with a bandit masquerading as a prince. Nor does he point out that while Jodha and her brothers might have turned out to be innocent in the end, the evidence against them was so strong that their being held under nazarband was not a whim but natural for so serious a crime.

Listening silently to Bharmal's vainglorious pronouncements that he could have taken out his sword and stood against Jalal - we all remember what happened the last time Amer stood against Sharifuddin, and also why Bharmal effectively forced Jodha into this marriage - Jalal does not permit himself even the smallest of knowing smiles. In his place, I would have smiled overtly, so incredibly foolish did it sound.

Instead, his eyes lowered half the time in overt awkwardness, Jalal nonetheless looks Bharmal full in the face, and without openly apologizing for his mistake (which an emperor cannot, any more than a government does these days when it eventually releases the wrong murder suspect) , he does everything just short of that.

Rajat is superb throughout this scene, with every fleeting nuance crossing his face reflecting the varying emotions he feels.

I was left puzzled as to why Jalal goes so far and bends so much to placate Bharmal. That he was in the wrong means nothing; powerful kings do not even acknowledge their mistakes, not to speak of showing their regret and their desire to make amends. They would see any of this as a sign of weakness, to be avoided at all costs.

Even when Bharmal says, when bidding farewell and in response to Jalal's wanting to extend the hospitality of Agra to him once again, that he hopes that Amer will always be able to stand with Agra, there is not even a flash of anger at such impertinence from the king of a tiny principality that Adham or Sharifuddin, given a free hand, could flatten in three days. Is it that Jalal is so weighed down by regret, or is it that he does not want his experiment with the Rajputs to fail prematurely? Probably both, with the Jodha factor as a supplementary tadka, but either way, the depth of his evident desire to make amends was surprising.

All the more so when Bharmal too talks only of restoring the lost reputation of Amer and does not say a word about the tragic loss of the emperor's child. Plus, both he and his daughter seem to have a fancy for the word vivekheen, and Bharmal uses it to Jalal's face. No other emperor, or even a plain son in law, would have stood for it. Most would have reacted harshly, which would have been no more than Bharmal deserved.

The prolonged love feast between Bharmal and the predictably gushing Hamida Banu during the farewell was enough to set even the most tolerant king's teeth on edge -especially when Bharmal talks of feeling at ease in Amer because Jodha has her as support in Agra. Any average son-in-law, even a Rajput one, would have reacted sharply and said something cutting in reply. But not our Jalal, though he is clearly far from pleased, either with Bharmal or with his Ammijaan. And no wonder.

It is probably the accumulated exasperation of his time with Bharmal and Hamida that primes Jalal for a near explosion when Jodha and Mahaam Anga land on him, and Mahaam'a operatic aria is played out with full force. Tomorrow will show how far and how sharply he reacts, especially given that Mahaam has managed to reduce Jodha's (as yet unstated) accusation from that of a deliberate murder to one of negligence.Par lakshan achche nazar nahin aate. Kanha is due for another round of vociferous complaints from his mahaantam bhakt.😉

L'affaire dibbi threatens to drag on and on, while the tiger seems, alas, to be far, far away as yet!😉

Shyamala B.Cowsik

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Posted: 11 years ago
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I never looked at RB and Jalal's scene in the way you have depicted it. The pre-wedding Jalal would have given evil smiles at many suggestions from bharmal, specially about the war. But, Jalal was completely silent - may be feels guilty about blaming Amer? Although, he did have proof and you are so right not once did RB/Jodha express sadness in his loss of child.
I loved Rajat's expression during RB farewell scene. My take on it was that he wanted to be on the receiving end of RB's comment about how he is in peace that Jodha has Hamida. Jalal's eye said it should have been him..May be I am reading too much..

Thanks for writing excellent reviews day after day, its a treat to read them many times!
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Jodha: She gave me a pleasant surprise by

1) She was careful not to alarm Rahim in any way,

2) she decided not to take Mahaam head on, or go to the Shahenshah and accuse Mahaam of the crime till she had accumulated solid sakshya.

👏

She does utter a few predictable and angry phrases. But by now one is so used to these fulminations that one hardly notices them!

😆

Jodha then proceeded to muff her lines and muck things up. The cardinal rule in investigations where the evidence against the suspect has not yet been sewn up is NOT to let the suspect get the least whiff of his/her being under suspicion.

What was totally unclear in this exercise - was what it was supposed to achieve, other than giving advance warning to that purani khiladi Mahaam.

Sooo true! Precisely what most of the forum's been whining about!

Jalal:

True, I found Jalal humbler than necessary with Bharmal too (though the father's advice was done in goodwill) - what I fail to understand is that why do the Ameris keep forgetting that they did indeed have evidence against them?😕

Bharmal talking about fighting for his pride is all well and good - as long as its restricted to TALK alone - however, looking at his current age [AND SHAPE], its difficult to envisage him lifting the sword - let alone fighting with it. When his very own tall handsome sons have shown their abysmal incapabilities with the weapon and his soldiers their lacklustre skills, I wonder how Bharmal proposes to protect his Amer against Jalal...😆

Bharmal, worried about his family's reputation, goes into a spiel about his desire that Jalal should go down in history as a just king by repairing the injustice done to his innocent children by a greater act of justice. I could not make head or tail of what he was proposing, nor, I suspect, could Jalal. Nor, come to think of it, Bharmal himself, though he was carrying on as if he was the direct descendant of Manu the Lawgiver himself.

This comment made me go 😆

He does himself proud throughout. Setting aside his cares of state - Minister Shamsuddin has a whole laundry list of problems for him about disaffection in various parts of the empire - Jalal still receives his father in law promptly and with respect.I cannot think of any other monarch as powerful as he is who would do even a fraction as much.

This is possibly the one place I might like to add a different perspective to your's - the Jalal you praise here seems to be one we might get to watch in the distant future...but not the one that's currently being shown in the show...the CVs are botching their lead hero - the last 3 episodes, we've basically seen him traipsing up and down the harem with a dibbi in his hand - talking to himself morning, noon and night!

Firstly, this MC is being blown out of proportion...yes its the murder of an unborn heir etc etc...but I can't imagine that beyond a point of time, this would still take precedence over acquisitions, wars and political issues as far as an Emperor is concerned...it would make more sense for him to deploy a trusted aide to do the dirty work while he keeps himself informed. This would also make him appear like he had a life outside the harem and a job to do apart from stare at a box! His investigation has so far only been a physical interrogation with Salima and a personal interrogation with Jodha 😆 As for the rest of the investigation, MA ruffled a few trunks one day and Ruqaiyya stumbled upon a box by mistake...apart from this I don't see much of anything sensible going on anywhere. Had it not been for that dibbi-man who stepped forth, even this wouldn't have happened!

The prolonged love feast between Bharmal and the predictably gushing Hamida Banu during the farewell

😆

And I found the compliment to HB like a snide remark from FIL to SIL too...after all, its an ekta show - so, not only is she utilizing the bahu angle...she's churning the FIL-SIL angle too😆

At this moment in time, I'm disappointed in Jodha, in Jalal and in the serial!😊

BTW, LOVELY LOVELY READ!


Edited by lashy - 11 years ago
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Thank you so much for the post. Reading your post and commenting(when time permits) have become part of my daily routine. My comments in red.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Folks,

For those puzzled by the title, a curate's egg is good in parts. So it was with the episode today.

Jodha: She gave me a pleasant surprise by displaying a remarkable and unexpected degree of both good sense and pragmatism. First, she was careful not to alarm Rahim in any way, or give him any indication that anything was wrong or cause for alarm, and her gentle scene with the frightened child was utterly charming , Next, she decided not to take Mahaam head on, or go to the Shahenshah and accuse Mahaam of the crime till she had accumulated solid sakshya. She realises that Rahim's evidence would not be enough, nor even that of the dibbi alone. True to type, she keeps Moti fully in the loop. - when Jodha said that she is going to collect all the evidences against MA and then tell Jalal; I was happy and thought that thank god she is learning from mistakes. But, I said it too soon.

She does utter a few predictable and angry phrases about never giving her kshama to either Mahaam, for the disgrace she had brought on to the Amer royals and on Amer itself, or the Shahenshah, for having destroyed her sister's chance of happiness because of his vivekheen nirnay. But by now one is so used to these fulminations that one hardly notices them!

There were 2 noteworthy omissions in this peroration.

- One, Jodha seems not at all bothered by the fact that Ratan Singh was a shelterer of dacoits who preyed on innocent people, and was in effect a dacoit at one remove himself, and thus hardly good husband material for Sukanya.

- Two, she never mentions the death of Jalal's baby as something for which she would not forgive Mahaam.- I really do not get it that How come all Ameris and Jodha does not find Ratan singh as unsuitable for Sukanya. Are they so worried about finding a Rajputi or rajvanshi groom that they are willing to let go of Ratan Singh's mistakes? Second, how come Jodha does not mention killing unborn baby when she mentions MA crimes?

Having made such an impressive start, Jodha then proceeded to muff her lines and muck things up. The cardinal rule in investigations where the evidence against the suspect has not yet been sewn up is NOT to let the suspect get the least whiff of his/her being under suspicion. For an alerted suspect will naturally move heaven and earth to fudge or destroy the evidence, and perhaps even get rid of the witness(es). All the more reason then, when the suspect is the redoubtable Mahaam Anga, as poisonous as a rattlesnake and as quick to strike from her position of power as the Wazir-e-Aaliya, the quintessential insider in Agra palace intrigues.

So what does apni Jodha do? She seems suddenly bitten by the show off bug, and summons Mahaam to the royal kitchens for what was obviously intended to be a cat and mouse game of veiled insinuations, culminating in a direct accusation against Mahaam. What was totally unclear in this exercise - where Paridhi did very well, with her large, limpid eyes reflecting the mood of each moment beautifully - was what it was supposed to achieve, other than giving advance warning to that purani khiladi Mahaam.- Jodha broke that illusion that I had of her. I thought she is becoming smart and learning from her mistakes. As a princess and now a queen, she should know that YOU NEVER LET SUSPECT KNOW THAT YOU DOUBT ON HIM/HER; even a lay man would know this. How come she does not have this much common sense considering she knows lots of things like fencing, chess, and not killing 8 types of people (handicapped, women etc.) This shows that she is not naive as it seems by her behavior.

At that point Jodha's script, whatever it was, goes awry, for the wannabe mongoose is suddenly attacked by the rattlesnake. Mahaam Anga seizes the bit in her mouth, like a runaway horse, and hustles Jodha to meet the Shahenshah.

It does not seem that Jodha realises her mistake in precipitating matters, for she precedes Mahaam to Jalal's rooms with her head held high and with every appearance of confidence. So much so that even Mahaam is shaken for an instant, wondering what proof Jodha might have against her.

But once in the presence of a preoccupied Shahenshah, when Jodha does not offer anything - neither an accusation nor evidence - Mahaam realises that Begum Jodha's cards are weak. She then does her number on Jalal to such effect that the tables are turned against Jodha, at least for the present, as Jalal glares at her over Mahaam's head, as he holds her in a comforting embrace.

Mahaam has the advantage of having had a dry run for this kind of self-exculpatory lamentation with Adham the other day, but she outdoes herself this time. The woman's ability to weep so copiously at the drop of a hat never ceases to amaze me. Jalal does not stand a chance under this deluge of high emotion from his Badiammi. Neither does Jodha.

One presumes that the Rahim angle is brought out after Ruqaiya, with a mind as sharp as a steel trap, gets into the act, and, if the SBS segment is correct, it ends up discrediting Jodha thoroughly. Again only for the present, but the matter seems likely to drag on for a while yet.

That it comes to this sorry pass after that serendipitous revelation by Rahim does no credit to Jodha. It could have been so easily avoided, and moreover, it has definitely made it much more difficult to pin Mahaam down.

Jalal: He does himself proud throughout. Setting aside his cares of state - Minister Shamsuddin has a whole laundry list of problems for him about disaffection in various parts of the empire - Jalal still receives his father in law promptly and with respect.

In his scene with Bharmal, Jalal shows that he is that rara avis, an emperor who has the humility, the candour and the good sense to openly acknowledge his mistake, accept a reproof from his father-in-law, request him not to take it personally but as something due to reasons of state, actually seek his advice, and promise to take it in good part and not to repeat his mistake. I cannot think of any other monarch as powerful as he is who would do even a fraction as much, capping it by going to see Bharmal off at the gates of Agra Fort. He does not let his imperial ego stand in the way of his desire to make amends for the wrong he has done, and that is both admirable in itself and very rare, both in his era or in any other.

I really liked this scence of RB-JALAL especially the dialogues.

Bharmal, worried about his family's reputation, goes into a spiel about choti and badi patthar ki lakeer, and his desire that Jalal should go down in history as a just king by repairing the injustice done to his innocent children by a greater act of justice. I could not make head or tail of what he was proposing, nor, I suspect, could Jalal. Nor, come to think of it, Bharmal himself, though he was carrying on as if he was the direct descendant of Manu the Lawgiver himself.- I think RB was telling Jalal indirectly that Jalal should rectify his mistake and give Amer their honor back by doing "something". I feel even RB do not know what he is proposing that is why he gives an idea to JALAL and wants JALAL to use his brain. that's why Jalal sas he will try to implement on his suggestion. SO, I am guessing JALAL will think of something.

Jalal of course does not remind him of his folly in contracting an alliance for Sukanya with a bandit masquerading as a prince. Nor does he point out that while Jodha and her brothers might have turned out to be innocent in the end, the evidence against them was so strong that their being held under nazarband was not a whim but natural for so serious a crime.

Listening silently to Bharmal's vainglorious pronouncements that he could have taken out his sword and stood against Jalal - we all remember what happened the last time Amer stood against Sharifuddin, and also why Bharmal effectively forced Jodha into this marriage - Jalal does not permit himself even the smallest of knowing smiles. In his place, I would have smiled overtly, so incredibly foolish did it sound.

Instead, his eyes lowered half the time in overt awkwardness, Jalal nonetheless looks Bharmal full in the face, and without openly apologizing for his mistake (which an emperor cannot, any more than a government does these days when it eventually releases the wrong murder suspect) , he does everything just short of that.

Rajat is superb throughout this scene, with every fleeting nuance crossing his face reflecting the varying emotions he feels.

I was left puzzled as to why Jalal goes so far and bends so much to placate Bharmal. That he was in the wrong means nothing; powerful kings do not even acknowledge their mistakes, not to speak of showing their regret and their desire to make amends. They would see any of this as a sign of weakness, to be avoided at all costs.

Even when Bharmal says, when bidding farewell and in response to Jalal's wanting to extend the hospitality of Agra to him once again, that he hopes that Amer will always be able to stand with Agra, there is not even a flash of anger at such impertinence from the king of a tiny principality that Adham or Sharifuddin, given a free hand, could flatten in three days. Is it that Jalal is so weighed down by regret, or is it that he does not want his experiment with the Rajputs to fail prematurely? Probably both, with the Jodha factor as a supplementary tadka, but either way, the depth of his evident desire to make amends was surprising.

All the more so when Bharmal too talks only of restoring the lost reputation of Amer and does not say a word about the tragic loss of the emperor's child. Plus, both he and his daughter seem to have a fancy for the word vivekheen, and Bharmal uses it to Jalal's face. No other emperor, or even a plain son in law, would have stood for it. Most would have reacted harshly, which would have been no more than Bharmal deserved.

The prolonged love feast between Bharmal and the predictably gushing Hamida Banu during the farewell was enough to set even the most tolerant king's teeth on edge -especially when Bharmal talks of feeling at ease in Amer because Jodha has her as support in Agra. Any average son-in-law, even a Rajput one, would have reacted sharply and said something cutting in reply. But not our Jalal, though he is clearly far from pleased, either with Bharmal or with his Ammijaan. And no wonder.- When RB thanks Hamaida for defending Amer's honor and Jodha, Jalal seemed uncomfortable and was looking in other direction because he was guilty.

It is probably the accumulated exasperation of his time with Bharmal and Hamida that primes Jalal for a near explosion when Jodha and Mahaam Anga land on him, and Mahaam'a operatic aria is played out with full force. Tomorrow will show how far and how sharply he reacts, especially given that Mahaam has managed to reduce Jodha's (as yet unstated) accusation from that of a deliberate murder to one of negligence.Par lakshan achche nazar nahin aate. Kanha is due for another round of vociferous complaints from his mahaantam bhakt.😉

L'affaire dibbi threatens to drag on and on, while the tiger seems, alas, to be far, far away as yet!😉

Shyamala B.Cowsik

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Regarding your point: "RB's desire that Jalal should go down in history as a just king by repairing the injustice done to his innocent children by a greater act of justice"
I felt RB wanted Jalal to make wise and just decisions in future that would erase all memories of a bad one. Philosophically it sounds great, but might not be easy to implement.

Also about Jalal not bringing up Sukanya's loss. I felt it was the other way round where Raja bharmal did not hold any grudge against Jalal who made his sons fight against their own would be SIL. He brought it up as a matter of fact that it was his reason to leave Agra. So, I am glad that Jalal did not clarify why killing would be SIL was justified.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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lovely post ma'am, CVs are completely rattled in their bid to stretch this track as much as possible. One scene of five mins lecture she tells moti why can't she implicate ma without solid proof, then next proceeds to do the same sending moti herself where even moti does not remind jodha abt her earlier decision
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Nice analysis Shyamala but right now we are in opposite khemas 😆 ...
Edited by elasingh - 11 years ago
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Amazing analysis aunty..
Even I was surprised when jodha tld she has to get more evidence b4 accusing MA .. I liked the way she comforted rahim too.. but I dnt kw y suddenly she had confronted MA .. I really did nt kw what evidence she wud hav got by this.. nw MA will b more alert n jodha is going to get it from jalal.. bt precap looks interesting.. ruqs knows the real face of MA so I think she ll also try to find out the truth..bt I dnt kw when is it going to happen..
MA never forgets to reming jalal that she had given him milk n brought him up.. she sort of uses this to emotionally black mail him always and he falls fr tat..
About bharmal I felt he was pretty rude .. telling an emperor vivek heen and all was pretty too much.. bt jalal was very humble and did show anger .. bharmal's advice to jalal just went above my head.. wat does he mean by all that I did nt understand a bit..I hope atleast jalal has understood wat he meant..
It was clearly visible that jalal did nt like the conversation bet bharmal and hameeda .. bt I did nt understand y he doesnt like the closeness bet jodha n hameeda?

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Meghana,

Thank you, my dear.I see both your points, but you have to think of this,

This is India in the 16th century and the son in law is the most powerful ruler in the land, while the father in law is the ruler - by the grace of the son in law- of a small tin pot principality, basically because he wanted to marry the daughter. What would their equation be like, and this no matter WHAT the son in law had done?

The way they have shown Jalal behaving is highly unrealistic. Like governments these days, sons in law then NEVER said sorry for anything, never expressed regret, and the fathers in law were subdued and accommodating. That was the situation.

It was foolish of Jalal to give anyone so much bhav. Itna bhi kisi jo sar par nahin chadhana chahiye. No wonder Bharmal goes on an on preaching at him.

If Jalal had informed him, calmly but clearly - Look, the evidence against your children was such as to convince anyone. So I had to incarcerate them but even then I did not imprison them,and I personally conducted the investigation and exculpated them in the full court. You have to remember that this was a capital crime. As for your prospective son in law, I am surprised that you chose such a thug for Sukanya, no matter what the problems. I will try and find an excellent husband for her very soon. Goodbye, it would have been both fair and sensible. It would also have been befitting the dignity and status on the Shahenshah-e-Hind.

As for Jalal's eye in that scene, he is embarrassed and irritated at the obvious snub to himself. I think you are reading too much into it, but then that is an endemic preoccupation in this terminally romantic forum!😉

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: meghanajain

I never looked at RB and Jalal's scene in the way you have depicted it. The pre-wedding Jalal would have given evil smiles at many suggestions from bharmal, specially about the war. But, Jalal was completely silent - may be feels guilty about blaming Amer? Although, he did have proof and you are so right not once did RB/Jodha express sadness in his loss of child.

I loved Rajat's expression during RB farewell scene. My take on it was that he wanted to be on the receiving end of RB's comment about how he is in peace that Jodha has Hamida. Jalal's eye said it should have been him..May be I am reading too much..

Thanks for writing excellent reviews day after day, its a treat to read them many times!

Edited by sashashyam - 11 years ago
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Dear Lashy,

I am so much in agreement with your penultimate sentence that I have very little to add, except to thank you warmly for the last sentence!

As for Jalal-Bharmal, do see my response to Meghana above. The way they have shown Jalal behaving is ridiculous in that day and age, given the power equations involved.

Then again, Jalal as Poirot a complete flop - which is not surprising seeing that he has only one largely ineffective clue, and even the modern police have a very tough time tracking down anonymous letter writers, not to speak of serial killers (whom they nab, if at all, only after victim No.9 or 10). What is worse is that, as you have correctly pointed out, he seems to have nothing else to do, and when he does go out for battle, it ends up like the Sujanpur fiasco.

I am beginning to get worried about our hero. He is being softened up to excess, while his lady love struts and postures and fumes to her Motibai. I am getting tired of watching both of then,and also tired of the number of hours I spend on these posts. I cannot really cope with this workload - 4/5 hours a day including responding to comments is way too much. If on top it all, Jalal becomes any softer, why then I will quit, and good riddance!

Shyamala Aunty

PS: I loved your crack about Bharmal's shape. He is, as the immortal PG Wodehouse would have put it, a pot-bellied perisher.

Originally posted by: lashy

Jodha: She gave me a pleasant surprise by

1) She was careful not to alarm Rahim in any way,

2) she decided not to take Mahaam head on, or go to the Shahenshah and accuse Mahaam of the crime till she had accumulated solid sakshya.

👏

She does utter a few predictable and angry phrases. But by now one is so used to these fulminations that one hardly notices them!

😆

Jodha then proceeded to muff her lines and muck things up. The cardinal rule in investigations where the evidence against the suspect has not yet been sewn up is NOT to let the suspect get the least whiff of his/her being under suspicion.

What was totally unclear in this exercise - was what it was supposed to achieve, other than giving advance warning to that purani khiladi Mahaam.

Sooo true! Precisely what most of the forum's been whining about!

Jalal:

True, I found Jalal humbler than necessary with Bharmal too (though the father's advice was done in goodwill) - what I fail to understand is that why do the Ameris keep forgetting that they did indeed have evidence against them?😕

Bharmal talking about fighting for his pride is all well and good - as long as its restricted to TALK alone - however, looking at his current age [AND SHAPE], its difficult to envisage him lifting the sword - let alone fighting with it. When his very own tall handsome sons have shown their abysmal incapabilities with the weapon and his soldiers their lacklustre skills, I wonder how Bharmal proposes to protect his Amer against Jalal...😆

Bharmal, worried about his family's reputation, goes into a spiel about his desire that Jalal should go down in history as a just king by repairing the injustice done to his innocent children by a greater act of justice. I could not make head or tail of what he was proposing, nor, I suspect, could Jalal. Nor, come to think of it, Bharmal himself, though he was carrying on as if he was the direct descendant of Manu the Lawgiver himself.

This comment made me go 😆

He does himself proud throughout. Setting aside his cares of state - Minister Shamsuddin has a whole laundry list of problems for him about disaffection in various parts of the empire - Jalal still receives his father in law promptly and with respect.I cannot think of any other monarch as powerful as he is who would do even a fraction as much.

This is possibly the one place I might like to add a different perspective to your's - the Jalal you praise here seems to be one we might get to watch in the distant future...but not the one that's currently being shown in the show...the CVs are botching their lead hero - the last 3 episodes, we've basically seen him traipsing up and down the harem with a dibbi in his hand - talking to himself morning, noon and night!

Firstly, this MC is being blown out of proportion...yes its the murder of an unborn heir etc etc...but I can't imagine that beyond a point of time, this would still take precedence over acquisitions, wars and political issues as far as an Emperor is concerned...it would make more sense for him to deploy a trusted aide to do the dirty work while he keeps himself informed. This would also make him appear like he had a life outside the harem and a job to do apart from stare at a box! His investigation has so far only been a physical interrogation with Salima and a personal interrogation with Jodha 😆 As for the rest of the investigation, MA ruffled a few trunks one day and Ruqaiyya stumbled upon a box by mistake...apart from this I don't see much of anything sensible going on anywhere. Had it not been for that dibbi-man who stepped forth, even this wouldn't have happened!

The prolonged love feast between Bharmal and the predictably gushing Hamida Banu during the farewell

😆

And I found the compliment to HB like a snide remark from FIL to SIL too...after all, its an ekta show - so, not only is she utilizing the bahu angle...she's churning the FIL-SIL angle too😆

At this moment in time, I'm disappointed in Jodha, in Jalal and in the serial!😊

BTW, LOVELY LOVELY READ!


Edited by sashashyam - 11 years ago

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