Zoom Out: The Enigmas of Indian TV (Invites Only)

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hello everyone. Lately, we (Kirthi and Samana) have been having some very interesting conversations over PM about the way Indian TV works. We thought, why not open the conversation up to all of our favourite virtual people, and do it on the Chat Club so we can freely discuss and compare different shows and formats? Here are some excerpts from our PMs to give you an idea of what we have been talking about:

Kirthi: My husband watches a show called Breaking Bad on AMC. I think the new and last season starts today and so he was catching up on all the old episodes of last season during the summer. And I ended up watching with him, and Sammy, its such a shame that our TV industry cannot do shows like that. There are so many quality shows in the west that it is mind boggling that PHs in our country are so imprisoned by TRPS and the likes. It is not that writers in the TV industry are not talented or not creative. But it is like they are in a prison. Sigh! When will they break free is the big question? Last year, I kind of saw it as a transition but this year it seems the TV industry has taken ten steps backward.

Samana: Last year seemed so hopeful and full of promise for Indian TV and like you said, this year they seem to have taken ten steps back. The way I read it, last year everyone was really enthusiastic about sticking their necks out and trying something new, and they didn't really get due credit for it. The whole industry seems jaded somehow, right now, not knowing where to place their next big step and playing it safe, and boring, in the mean time.

At this point, I think what we really need is to switch to a weekly or at least bi-weekly schedule instead of a daily one. American shows don't reach their 100th episode for at least 5 seasons and it is pretty apparent how coming out with creative new ideas and content is easier in that format. To be honest, I love the subjects that Indian TV deals with; it is a lot closer to real people's lives than films ever were. It's just that the format is least conducive creativity after the 100 episode mark and writers are forced to compromise their original, often brilliant, visions.

Kirthi: Sammy I don't think content wise western shows will ever do well here and I don't want that either. I like how we get so attached to characters on Indian TV. And I think its because how realistic they are to us. But I think the way people from the west and the way we look at a movie or a show is so completely different. No matter what we say we do live off melodrama which is not so much in the west. Scenes and shows are more clinically executed here and a lot of times there is a lack of emotional depth in the west that I love about Indian shows.

I think like you mentioned it comes down to the formatting. The seasons should be short with a good break in between. It would work wonders for the writers and also give them an opportunity to close down the show properly, giving enough respect to the characters. That is why I am interested to see how Amitabh Bachan's new show is going to fare. They have already written the entire show and it is for a limited time. If that gets good ratings maybe more people will follow suit. Sigh, I am hoping that once school starts and my schedule is more organized we will have time to start that thread in the chat club. It will be fascinating to discuss the wonders and ailments of Indian TV industry with others.

Samana: I totally agree with you about the emotional aspect of Indian TV. That is what sets it apart and what makes it valuable. People deride it as being formulaic but for me that is where the true creativity lies, where within a formula you can create something fresh and interesting, which is precisely what many PHs do at their best. You have to have your lead couple who are destined to end up together, the virtuous mother-in-law and the vamp, who manipulates her into thinking her DIL is taking her son away from her. That degree of predictability is what gets the audience hooked ... they know what is coming and they are willing to wait years for it to actually happen, and in Ekta's case, generations! Finding the balance of predictability and suspense is the key, I think, writing the traditional Indian melodrama.

Can't wait for more of you to join the conversation!

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hey Everyone.


This is our first CC and as of now it is going to be an invite only CC. Please PM either Samana or myself if you would like an invite.


Constructive criticism is always welcome but please refrain from abuse and bashing.


Please do not quote our posts in other sections of the forum. We don't want unnecessary wars erupting.


Absolutely no spamming allowed.


Please avoid multiple quotings. If needed quote only once. This way our thread remains clean and pretty. 😃


Please respect other opinions that may or may not agree with yours.


Finally, lets all have fun and some serious discussion in between. Kind of recreating our DC days. 😃

Edited by angake - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Great discussions Kirthi & Samana 👏 👏 👏

Hmmm what I like about the West shows and why they go one for many years is that most of them have seasonal premieres and they do have that emotional pull that keeps you coming back for more like the series Grey Anatomy or Burn Notice and many more. In the West u have every a series for every taste as well as in the Indian industry but like u said you guys are like prisoners due to the TRPs even the West goes through that but most channels especially the cable ones don't care about such things.

There's an American daytime serial that I watch and it has been going on for 50 years...it's on the air so long because of plots, change of writers and many more reasons and right now the show that I used to love is only a shell of it's former self...I feel disconnected because there is no logic behind their plots anymore everything seems forced 😔...Indian industry has the potential to be grander and better than the West IMO 😊


Okay that's all the time I've got now...Catch you all later...Happy discussions Lovelies 🤗

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hello!

This seems like a great thread in the making, Samana and Kirthi!
I don't know how often I will be able to visit and contribute to discussions here, but this is such a fascinating topic.

I was never an avid TV watcher during my teenage years since I was a child who grew up on educational public television...And I never thought I'd ever start watching Indian TV shows! The notion that I had of Indian TV serials was that they were melodramatic and extremely loud - that was during the early/mid-2000s, though, so I suppose that makes a bit of sense...I have had a very interesting journey through shows since the time I accidentally got pulled into the abyss.

Looking back, I think I gradually began watching shows that ended up spoiling me as a viewer on various levels - thanks to IF, after learning a bit about the general trends and faces in the Indian TV industry, I branched out bit by bit to different channels and different genres; I gravitated naturally towards certain stories and character types in shows that didn't "fit the typical format" of formulaic shows. Now, based on my personal criteria for what makes a "worthwhile show," I find it extremely difficult to watch something just for the sake of watching it, if you know what I mean. I tried watching shows for certain actors, but that didn't hold my interest...until PV-ZMD came along and took me entirely by surprise, that is.

While I was still stuck in my Star One phase a few years ago, I did watch significant portions of one show from the early 2000s, a medical drama called Sanjivani, which used to air weekly, I think. It stayed on long enough to switch over to the 20/22-minute episode format, but it originally started out with 45-minute episodes and the storytelling was really well-done for quite a while, in my opinion.

I wonder if the industry will ever consider going back to that sort of format. They've gone from weeklies to dailies (Mon-Thu to Mon-Fri and now even Mon-Sat, I think?) and I don't know how willing industry people would be to turn back to the weekly format. It would probably help with storytelling and production, but who knows what lies in store? Sometimes I feel like there are a few shows, rare ones, that are so different from the rest, genuinely different in various ways...There are too few of those and they only come about once in a blue moon.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Oh wow, this seems to be an interesting discussions.. 👏

Nice CC thread Sam and Kirthi, 👍🏼 DC turns to CC... 😆
Hope more DCians will come here...

I have thoughts in my mind, but will share it later.
Workloads on the run, no time to write a long one..


Btw, Thanks for the invitation Kirthi dear.. 🤗

Bookmarking this, later dearies.. 😳

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hola everyone 😎

Thanks a lot Kriti for the PM 🤗

Samana and Kirti grt convo 👏👏👏

I dont hv much knowledge on shows down west but hv seen a lot of discussions about those shows .. it will b awesome to get some feedbacks from u guys whoever watches them 😳

DCians rock 👍🏼
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Posted: 11 years ago
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@Zet and Borna, well here is what perplexes me. We all have seen that there is hardly any show on Indian Television that can sustain interest past the one year mark. The reason Ekta Kapoors shows run for years and years are basically because she has gazillion stories that start and end within the time frame the show airs. Take for example Kasauti Zindagii ki. By the time the show ended she had told stories of multiple couples from different generations. Pavitra Rishta is going the same way. So is Bade Ache Lagta hai. But because the show goes on without any break whatsoever, I fell there is a tremendous amount of butchering going on and by the serial ends none of the characters are recognizable. Why not have seasons? Wouldn't that help with writer fatigue? Take a break after you tell a certain portion of the story and come back with the rest of the story later on. I don't know if the fear is of losing audience interest. But it seems to work splendidly in the west. But then again the west is not as TRP conscious as the Indian TV industry is, at least that is what my perception has been so far.Or is it that the genre we tackle are not conducive for a seasonal format?


Here in the west we have seasons. But each season is with the same cast and most shows, the story has continuity from one season to the another. Friends, Frasier, Sienfield, Big Bang Theory and so many more are such classic examples. The advantage here is that the writers actually get a break to regroup and write for the next entire season or at least the bulk of it.


@Borna, Ya I am not sure about the weekly format. I think daily format brings in more money and that is why the weekly has been scrapped. And I don't mind daily format but with season breaks. I would love to know the negatives of having season breaks in our Indian TV. Of course every show should have season breaks to make the playing field fair.



@Jyo, its not about East and west but mostly about why many of our TV shows lack in quality and what problems many of them face. 😆


@Smiley, ya do join. Like old times. 😳

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Superb idea to start this thread Kirthi and Samana.

Here Indian TV serials are basically limited so I grew up watching more Western programs and remember counting down the days till the season premier of some show of the other until I switched over to the one Indian TV channel that we have here. From there on it was a different experience all together as the culture is so different and more family oriented. I've managed to watch many Indian TV shows but nothing got me as hooked as I was on Punar Vivah and I guess it was because it was something different.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hey everyone 😃
Wonderful conversation Kirthi and Samana 😃
Was missing our conversations and DC very much 😒. Glad that you both have started this thread 😛 But then you had to start this when I am going for a holiday .

I am away for a month but will join you all when I am back..till then you all rock on with the discussions 😃

Thanks for the PM dearies 😛

🤗
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Great thread.
Taking into consideration what a mammoth task it is to put a show together in any language, I feel that we have very decent stuff that is being shown.

Most shows are still relevant(with some jarring exceptions of course) and they do try to show what does go on in Indian society, though there is lot of scope of improvement and innovation but I still love all that I see. And believe me I DO see a LOT.

Of late I am hooked to Jodha Akbar, Qubool Hai and I do watch PV - ENU (force of habit more than anything to tune to Zee at 10:30 pm).

Other than that I am forced to watch Doreamon and Ninja Hatori. I am sure those with kids would understand what I am talking about.

Coming to PV- ZMD I still miss it a lot and often check out old episodes that I had loved.

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