Blast from the Past Thread #16, pg 128, epi 180 - Page 82

Originally posted by: sohara

Yup Arshi, really annoying.

But right now I'm so busy that even can't find time to complain.

By the way to whom I suppose to complain?

Originally posted by: ArshiHamesha

sohara and Anita

If I knew ,I would be sending him messages as a crazy person...if some one knows the solution of this problem... PLZ do share as I am getting tired...It takes more than expected time to down load a post..😡

Arshi

Originally posted by: wiwy

For all Blasters esp Durgey

Twilight at Jomtein beach, Pattaya

Me with Barun😉😆

Originally posted by: indi52

arshi, for that in pink, taaliyan, 👏...

there is no culture on the face of this beleaguered planet that has not done crazy things to women. or so i think. why? some reasons seem clear, the others i have no idea of.

about women being women's worst enemy... up to a point. it is men who put us in our corrals, and then clutches of women, having seen the results of protesting perhaps, decide to give in and become "guards" of this way. simplistic, my picture is... but i know you'll add in the complex, deeper tones.

No I have a same tone yet experience screams different...For me THIS IS ALL A GAME FOR POWER...and it just satisfies em so be it but women also are contributing in it...it's undeniable..

generations go by and everyone stops questioning.

in fact where i come from, this is even portrayed as wonderful for us girls. till one day something terrible happens, or you read of roop kanwar (beyond terrible that) an 18 year old in rajasthan, or something... or you see your beautiful grandmother giving away all her sarees with a dash of colour in them and wearing a pure white than (saree) because she's just lost her husband, all jewellery gone from her body, never to eat fish which she loves again... at some point you start asking, why.

and where it leads you is not a good place. Read it and yet it's not pleasant at all..you are forgetting the worse...shaving hair and joining the league of women of same traits ...Ashram

i don't wish to blame gender a or b beyond a point. what has happened has happened. but this is my world too. i am here. what i choose to do matters. or so i would like to believe. a bit of empirical, initial thinking regarding humans, men and women, needs to be done again i feel at times... i try to in my own way... will it make a huge diff? no, certainly not... but at least i did what i thought i should... guess i'll just leave it at that.

It's not a blame game ,it's analyzing facts and raising a question WHY? Why on earth is is being pictured through our media and gripping roots in our culture...very deep

the conditioning is so deep, sometimes i too will repeat meaningless things without realising... but try i will. maybe because of nothing else, just the most fantastic set of parents, who never ever thought a girl was less...

i do believe if mass media continues to show women the way they do, especially on indian tv (which has a humongous impact as it is watched widely and constantly across india and the subcontinent even)... it will only harm girls more. not only in terms of rape and other heinous things... but even in the everyday, the day to day doing of life... that is where this discrimination, this making use of a whole gender, this shutting her up with talk of tradition and "achhi" hurts all the time.

That is the point...what is the definition of ACHI...a person [forget gender] who can dance on other's tunes since from her childhood without having her own individuality as a human...

in the west, if i am not way off the mark, the film makers of the fifties or was it the forties, went into the whole achhi buri fiasco re women and there were complex women characters portrayed who fit neither category, they were real, though sometimes not so "good" and the viewer felt empathy.

in our films too we've had more progressive stories and portrayals of women... khamoshi comes to mind instantly. but the main issue here i suppose is most movies are really about the male character... he is the protagonist... she a mere support. once this idea is fixed... her character and its nuances autiomatically mean less and have less impact. when i look at khushi this is the sadness i feel. she strated out with so much possibility... and trust me, she could have gone all the way to being a tycoon, if she so desired, but what they did to her... barun himself has once said in barun sort of words that it happens in most stories... the man in the main guy.. not fair, but that's how it is.

i was just looking up "the three faces of eve" a movie my mother used to speak of and like (i think there is movie with nargis in the lead which is the hindi remake, i am pretty sure actually, the name escapes me). wiki tells me,

"The Three Faces of Eve also became the first film to win the Best Actress award without getting nominated in another category, and the last for nearly 31 years until Jodie Foster won the award for The Accused the film's sole nomination."

seems the west equally denies a place to the girl in a narrative. but my heart doesn't yearn to be given a higher status than men, just an understanding of us as people... with all the desires, proclivities, drawbacks, everything that makes us human.

I don't know why it comes to the table that we want to show the superiority over men...My point is just listen and considerate us as a human being ...see and feel our presence...we are not toys...

i thank the west though for the whole women's lib movement, however controversial some things in it. somewhere i do believe i am here today because they were there at some point.

sorry i go on. but really, someone should write about the two from that marriage onward... we might find a real khushi who is as beautiful, flawed, strong, undeniable, human as asr.

sorry achhi bahu, me no wanna be you. there is a reason many of us identify with your laad gov, it's not because we want to be a man, it's because he feels real. he is both man, alpha male, and utterly human beyond just gender specifics. i hope some day you too can be seen as a person and not just a girl in a world made by men.
me and achi bahu or wife...😆...YES I am a achi mother and that I care
and have to add, when i read sohara, anita, soni's thoughts, i feel a sense of we are going to get there surely some day. i feel proud... yes, ladies, keep them brackets and the my sexy boys and the visuals and defiance and big heart and feelings coming.

I love them and REALLY WISH THE BEST FOR THEM...😊

Originally posted by: wiwy

For all Blasters esp Durgey

Twilight at Jomtein beach, Pattaya

Me with Barun😉😆

Originally posted by: sohara

The top pic reminded me the valley of Switzerland. I went there with my parents when i was a little kid.

Never been in Goa. after seeing this pics feeling a urge to visit there.

Enjoy your moment

Originally posted by: ArshiHamesha

Just a little thought.

In small ways we can make a difference in the lives of women around us. Are we doing it? If we are then we are on the right track and have the right to hope for a better society.

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In English, the noun "alpha" is used as a synonym for "beginning", or "first" (in a series), reflecting its Greek roots.^[1]

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curvature, gravitation, thank g for science otherwise how would we understand love 😆 😆


"a," aleph, alpha, hindi/sanskrit "uh" are dense with meaning and essence... will mention just the hebrew one. emet, which means truth and is mentioned by some sages when they say "the seal of god is truth," begins with "aleph." of course there's esoteric thought there and a play with letters and ideas i am not too clear about.


arnav i am guessing begins with the same letter. of course, there is the "i am the alpha and the omega..." of christian theology, and more. "a" i have a feeling was not there by chance. even if you look at no reference... "a" is always the first, the beginning. and that is thrilling enough.

when nani ji commands that arnav bitwa be sent downstairs for this rule breaking idea, khushi is in palpitations immediately... "hey devi maiyaa hame phir se unki shakl nahin dekhni... hamari dhadkan bad jaygi..." hey dm, i don't want to see his face again, my breath will quicken...

so khushi does know what asr does to her, and it is exciting: heady, crazy, almost forbidden... and she loves it yet it catapults her into a mess. because maybe, she in her safety and stability idealising middle class world has never heard of such tumultuous feelings for a man.

there is no reference to this. just as asr has no real way of knowing love since he has banished it at a young age, so does khushi, who has some idea of love, not have any notion of this electric, invasive, untramelled sensation that rides through her at the mere mention of his name, and of course when she sees him.

that it is part of love... she is still to know perhaps.

at this point it is a sensation. one she feels she has to somehow contrtol... that is why he makes her so "pareshan." poor girl, i do feel for her, imagine being hunted by that man and completely in his thrall.

her vision is of an edifying love with taarey/stars falling in her anchal, his face appearing everywhere, but this uncontrollable dhakdhak... the feeling with a license to roam everywhere, all over her body and spirit and thought (does anyone remember a godrej crowning glory soap ad with dimple saying uses it "just all over my body," sorry thought popped up, felt a bit khushi like vis a vis this feeling of hers) ... this feeling unnerves her, a frenetic edge to it.

what a lovely stage to be in.

"chhote ko ho kya gya..." what's happened to chhotey these days, wonders anjali, doing things he never did.

funny part of course is that he didn't do what everyone thought he did, yet he does indeed do things he never would earlier. like that dance... anjali is wondering... hopefully this will help her connect dots.

Originally posted by: ArshiHamesha

a game of power indeed.

oh, the shaved head... thankfully that is one thing my nani (was my paternal grandma, married off at 12, to a man who never understood her or thought there was any need to), didn't do. but i remember well "chhotopishima" an aunt of my dad's who was widowed young, short hair (shaved off regularly), white saree, a little bent over, lined face, at every wedding... twinkling eyes, a certain energy, shoving sweets into my mother's and aunts' mouths, saying, "bahus, eat eat, you ain't gonna get anything once it all starts." lovely woman.

and that ashram you speak of... so often brindavan... kanha their only playmate, soulmate, while of course other murky things go on... seen "water"? they didn't let deepa mehta shoot in india. in aparijito i think it was, apu's mother is told categorically on the ghats of benaras, it is her fault that her husband died... the widow routinely stopped from going to auspicious places, like weddings... here in singapore i learn it was the same in chinese culture: an "auspicious" woman is one who is married with children, pref sons. the same corral awaits us everywhere.

i think of all this and i bring my sadness for them, my anger, my feeling hey this is unfair, to my understanding of biua ji. she also only has her nand kissore. she is no longer allowed to think of herself as a woman, just a bua ji. is this possible? do feelings of being something just vanish? last scenes of "the glass palace" float up.

it is a power game. a terrifying one. deep in cultures sit that word we tremble to say... misogyny. media has a power over our minds. we listen to it without often realising we do... should these big money making channels be showing such gender biased bilge? can't money be made a better way?

achhi is a beautiful aspiration and it doesn't come of doing what others think you should without thinking yourself, never ever understanding who you or your desires are, confusing an automaton like do gooding for others as ennobling sacrifice, and never being able to say "i," merging with a "we."

why don't hindi serial female leads say "main"? always that dodgy "hum"? a bit regal a bit haughty maybe, but never the clarity of the individualistic "main." asr would never say "hum," it's "khushi main... hamesha hamesha..."

let me say "main," keep "hum" for your fantasy stepford wife.

i want to hear khushi say the "m" word 😆😆😆

Edited by indi52 - 11 years ago