my conversation with uthkarsh naithani

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Posted: 12 years ago
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hey frnds..

just thot to share my small conversation with uthkarsh naithani.. who is writer of DKDM..

many of us think.. y DKDM is undermining parvati's abilities .. thts wht i felt.. specially after ramayan track started..

soo just posting it to u.. he cleared my doubt to a much extent..

my post...

why does parvati keep asking about future to shiv? "swami aap toh tri kaal gyaani ho.. aap bataiye kya hoga".. (dilogues like this) and ... why is she so excited like normal human beings so excited about knowing future from shiv..??

1. she herself is adishakti and ardh-nareshwari.. so of course she must also be tri-kaal-gyaani..

2. any normal human being after crossing levels of chakra.. gets that power to know future..

3. many maharishis also had that ability to learn about future even in ramayan and mahabharata period.

ok agreed.. may be she wants to hear about future from shivji himself.. or may be because it is mahadev based show.. u have shown it that way... and also it is fiction(u show that content in starting of every episode..)

but dont you think you are undermining devi parvati's ability...???

please answer my question..

i am not intending to argue about the content you are showing.. bt just having a small doubt.. please clarify...


and his reply..

Dear Mithila ji,

Parvati's excitement has been taken straight from "Raamcharit Maanas" ... In that, The entire Raamayan is a narration by Mahadev to Parvati. So your question is actually to Tulsidaas Anyway, here my humble responses to your doubts. (My intention is to share what i feel... i don't claim that i shall clear ur doubts... i can only do my best)

1) I am certain about she being Trikaaldarshi. But the Puraans have plenty of examples of she showing Human tendencies... Especially in Shiv-Puraan where she rarely shows the signs of sensing the future (Kaali being one examples... but there are many others... including Jalandhar and Andhak, where she doesn't show this sign)

2) Do they? I don't know... I've literally travelled in search of them. i encourage you to explore this statement beyond the examples given to you from books which may or may not be telling you the exact truth.

3) Yes... many Rishis... but either their sight was momentary or the authors forgot about their sight, coz everyone keeps acting like they don't know. Prime example being SHUKRACHARYA who has been repeatedly termed Trikaaldarshi... and yet his actions don't always show that

In summary, allow me to humbly point out that when it comes to Devi Parvati's abilities... neither i know of the extent... and nor do You

We are all speculating... it's just abut our own beliefs. You feel the way you do because of your own belief system.

You'd be surprised by how many such messages i have received saying i have undermined Vishnu's ability.

We can't and don't intend pleasing everyone. Unfortunately, we have been brought up with teachings where we feel hurt (and at times take offence) if Gods of our beliefs are not depicted according to our beliefs

It's not right or wrong... we are just conditioned to think that way.

So No... i do not think i am undermining The Devi's ability. She's far beyond my insignificant understandings... or anybody's understanding for that matter.

(I could've said that i am going by the puraans... but ur question is deeper... so i'm not talking about being right or wrong here)

You see Mithila ji, If i say that the number 5000 is same as 100, then i'm undermining 5000.

But if i say Infinity is equal to 100, that's a meaningless statement... for Infinity is nothing and Everything at the same time

As Mahadev says in DKDM: "Main vo hoon, jo nahi hai. Jo nahi hai... Vo Main hoon."




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well just shared it... i hope ur doubt is also clarified .. like mine...

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Posted: 12 years ago
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well in one of the epi they showed mahade asking to paravti that you too us trikaldarshi still you want to hear it from me why????

parvati saya i like to hear it from you and the sansar to wil be benefited by it ur vaani will always be felt in atmosphere and that already cleared that doubt...

dkdm has always provided justification to whatever it shows
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Posted: 12 years ago
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My thoughts,
1) Mata Parvati is surely Trikal gyani. But the Puranas are written by Humans, so from their pov to make one Deity superior they've interpreted others as not so great like the main Deity whose Purana it is.
2) After mastering the 6th Agya chakra, a normal Human does get ability to see past present & future. But the true seekers in the path of Divine doesn't stop their, they go to the 7th Sahastrar chakra, where they experience connecting with the Divine, which is a much superior experience. So they don't want to give up tat feeling of bliss, by remaining on the 6th Chakra. They have gone beyond knowing past, present, future for attaining the Supreme Consciousness.
3) Many times even if our rishis after knowing the future can not alter the events because many people's Karmas, destiny is involved. Interfearing with destiny is not always done by even the Avatars. So this explains why Shukracharya even after knowing everything doesn't always interfear. Even if he does the person involved's Karmas may not follow his advice. eg. Bali didn't listen to him while promising Vaman avatar to give him land which can be covered in his 3 steps.
He is right about the belief system, everyone wants to see things according to that. seeing different version finds less takers for that.
Thanks mithila for your efforts 😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
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well i do agree wid utkarsh sir... Shiv narrating Parvati Raam katha is indeed Tulsidas's creation...

as regards to Parvati's human tendencies... we must not forget tht she does so when she is a "wife" of her "husband"... before him she is not behaving as an all knowing Goddes..!!

moreover in various puraans she has been portrayed in the extremes.. like in any puran related to shiv.. parvati shows human tendencies..

whereas in Shakt texts she is the supreme one..!!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: mnx12

My thoughts,
1) Mata Parvati is surely Trikal gyani. But the Puranas are written by Humans, so from their pov to make one Deity superior they've interpreted others as not so great like the main Deity whose Purana it is.
2) After mastering the 6th Agya chakra, a normal Human does get ability to see past present & future. But the true seekers in the path of Divine doesn't stop their, they go to the 7th Sahastrar chakra, where they experience connecting with the Divine, which is a much superior experience. So they don't want to give up tat feeling of bliss, by remaining on the 6th Chakra. They have gone beyond knowing past, present, future for attaining the Supreme Consciousness.
3) Many times even if our rishis after knowing the future can not alter the events because many people's Karmas, destiny is involved. Interfearing with destiny is not always done by even the Avatars. So this explains why Shukracharya even after knowing everything doesn't always interfear. Even if he does the person involved's Karmas may not follow his advice. eg. Bali didn't listen to him while promising Vaman avatar to give him land which can be covered in his 3 steps.
He is right about the belief system, everyone wants to see things according to that. seeing different version finds less takers for that.
Thanks mithila for your efforts 😊



thank u dear.. and

btw ur points are right,,

well i forgot abt shankracharya...

he was shiv avatar.. bt as human.. after gaining all levels of meditation.. he himself.. gt the power to understand future, past and present..



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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: foram.

well in one of the epi they showed mahade asking to paravti that you too us trikaldarshi still you want to hear it from me why????

parvati saya i like to hear it from you and the sansar to wil be benefited by it ur vaani will always be felt in atmosphere and that already cleared that doubt...

dkdm has always provided justification to whatever it shows



well true.. thts wht i felt after reading his reply..

they dont show all crap.. 😛 or cooked up stories😛
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Posted: 12 years ago
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agree they nevet showed crap or cooked up stories it is just they show stories which are not populat and we are use to watch the stories which we allready know.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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thanx Mithila for your efforts as often i had the feeling that DKDM had never done proper depiction of Mata rani, Murugan (Karthikey) and Vishnu, even with Jalandhar track i was not happy/satisfied. Now it's crystal clear 😊..yes it depends on the puranam makers refer coz in each puranam a particular deity is supreme and everthing is about him/her and revolves around him/her.

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