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Shridevi Gaddam

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Posted: 13 years ago

Bhabho's Purani Soch given so much Screen time...just so that Nayi Soch is again established.

But seriously...is it Purani and Nayi soch dilemma for Bhabho to disallow Sandhya pursue her IPS dream ????

What about the truth that she has to uphold for her daughter, Sons and Daughter-in-laws. Which Purani Soch says that one has to support and sacrifice for protecting Lies, Scams and Dishonesty ?

Edicts as old as Ramayan...all that PURANI SOCH is full of truth and glorious feats. Does that mean Bhabho belongs to Alien Planet where even she is not known to Ramayan ?

What about Queen Kaikeyi being a warrior Princess, adept at battlefield with her prowess. Wasn;t she her husband's charioteer ??!!!

Okay for reasons known, Bhabho will say its not a good example.

Then what about Sita...who had the equal Skill like Rama in her ability to lift the Shiv Dhanush ?

Oh! Bhabho might again tell me Sita sacrificed herself for her husband. So not a good example.

Fine SD says...what about Goddess Lakshmi who has to come to earth to air Lord Vishnu to end Demon Ravana.

Bhabho will say...again she is doing for her husband.

SD will now try to take a different path. Bhabho what about...Goddess Durga...have you forgotten her. She is Jagadjanini. How can you not see her. How can you forget that.

Bhabho says...Look you forget there. I have always asked for my home...I need a Lakshmi and not a Durga or Saraswati.

SD is flummoxed...And says YOU Bhabho...what a Dakiyanoosi Soch is yours. If it was a Purani Soch that you pretend to show off there, you would have known that Saraswati, Lakshmi and Durga are three forms of woman. You cannot pray them in isolation. And you forget that above everything those Goddesses have always acted for the good of the world...to uphold truth and defeat EVIL.

Then how come Bhabho you cannot see that

You have germinated the seed of lie in Chavi, your daughter. Look at how many times your daughter took your name that it is because of you she does all that. May be she is truly your chavi (image) of what you actually are.
You have planted the seed of Baby Swapping Idea in Meena, your DIL...it was you who taught her that the eldest born if he is son, then only it is considered lucky. So Meena upheld what you wanted...whatever the means Meena may have chosen, she was successful in choosing what you wanted.
And your love for Momily...Hook or Crook they need to win. This is exactly what you want. Hook or Crook you want Sandhya to fail in her aspirations.

@STAR TV @ DABH Creatives

Nayee Soch ke chakkar mein...please don't show DAKIYANOOS (Prudish and Priggish) Soch. Please instead show a genuine Purani Soch so that we can understand what Naya the characters are doing!!!

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S Shobhana

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Posted: 13 years ago

SD ji u are absolutely right... I would like to add one point... Acc to purani soch men & women are equal... They were not sublimed... Only in the middle ages male domination & a thinking that females are weaker sex etc etc arose... So here they can only say that they are reviving back the old soch replacing the medival soch

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UMDU

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Posted: 13 years ago

Nice post. I have always believed that this is a story of clash between old and new.I also know that my line of argument disgusts forum members. I cannot accept something which my mind is unconvinced about.To think that India has changed is to live in a fool's paradise. No doubt India is changing and evolving but when we take that argument we forget that 70% of our country still lives in villages and smaller towns where this so called social revolution has not impacted. It is a country where brides are burnt for dowry, female foetus is aborted, new born girl child is killed, a rape happens every few minutes every single day and lovers are brutally murdered in broad daylight by Khap Panchayats. In such a scenario what liberal thought and emancipation of women are we talking about. I would have been surprised if Bhabo had approved of Sandhya's IPS so quickly by just knowing about Chavvi and Emily's involvement. To expect that is to be ignorant about the extent of rigidity the traditional setup practices. We are expecting SurYa's good deeds to be a trade off for IPS. From Bhabo's point of view while Sandhya has done a lot for the family IPS is too heavy a prize to ask for. There are some golden rules which a traditional mind considers sacrosanct

1. A Bahu is brought in to take care of the son, give him children and look after the family. She lives and dies for the family.

2.A Bahu will also get a chance to dominate but much later in life. She has to have a son and when he gets married she gets to boss over. That is her emancipation. She has to wait for that to happen. Here SurYa in Bhabo's eyes are fast tracking emancipation.

3.The question of Bahu working does not arise. Here you are asking Bhabo to approve of no less then IPS. A profession which will diminish her son's status, her Bahu will wear male clothes, be bossy, frequently separate from her son, touch male criminals etc and you expect a die hard traditionalist to say a meek YES...how can that ever happen...

4.People connected to each other by blood ties will always get a priority. To expect Bhabo to love her Bahus as much as her children is an unrealistic expectation in that setup. They are brought up to believe Bahu is Bahu and her blood is her blood. Both cannot be equated when it comes to love.

Regarding hypocrisy of Bhabo I had taken out a thread long time ago. You can go through this link

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/diya-aur-baati-hum/3284445/hypocrisy

Now your question...Will Bhabo never change ? She will. Only when she knows about LC fiasco revelation. Not before that. Now she only knows about Chavvi and Emily's faults.That is not intense enough to break her. She has to know the real reason for Sandhya's sacrifice. Only after that she will break. Her guilt and conscience will compel her to give way. We have to have patience. Once that happens Sandhya would get a pillar of support stronger then Suraj. Bhabo's support will carry more weight then Suraj's. She alone has the ability to control the other defiant and conspiring members in the family and she will do it. I am very hopeful of Bhabo changing. Strictly my POV.

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Shridevi Gaddam

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Posted: 13 years ago

Uma,

No matter how terribly am upset with Bhabho's dakiyanoos soch as in SELF-RIGHTEOUS Thinking, I will have to weigh in your argument towards the story.

But my complaint with STAR TV and DABH team is that

They are over-doing Bhabho's Self-righteous thinking. She gets to have max airtime in the drama.

In the name of standing antagonistic to Sandhya and Sooraj for their Nayee Soch, they are staking simple plain old truths of maintenance within family.

Speaking Lies is not a tradition that Bhabho can uphold. How can she not ask Sandhya for shielding those who speak lies ? Where is her reprimand in that case. She neither teaches her daughter to speak truth nor she gives liberty to her DIL to teach her daughter to speak truth.

So is the case with each SCAM revealed in the story. Which tradition in India says that scammer should be shielded.

They are clearly not showing TRADITIONAL OPPOSITION to NEW THINKING by repeated plotlines of LIES and SCAMS.

As regards to Purani Soch versus Nayee Soch, the track of Fake Baba, Ankur-Ankita' Baby's **ceremony and Meena's Baby Swapping are the only three cases in that direction.

The only characters from Purani Soch who are shown moving towards Nayee Soch are Babasa and Sooraj. Babasa has coined a Sravan Kumar DIL in today's episode and Sooraj in Satyavaan and Savitri Story...showed what else Savitri was capable of by extending his skit in the show. They are two persons who are supporting Sandhya from the days of Throw Trash in Dustbins.

But BHABHO...is clearly not about upholding PURAANI SOCH or Traditions in which she grew up. While the HYPOCRISY angle that you have presented which explains the Bhabho's prudishness in becoming Self-righteous in her thinking, and that she has turned Purani Soch into self-benefitting Self-Righteous thought, how about her simple motherly thoughts for Traditional reasons that she needs to correct her wayword sons and daughters. Who speaks lies like that all the time.

To say that lying is a common problem, stealing is a common problem, swindling people is age old problem...and hence a Puraani Soch...I cannot make heads and Tails of it.

If STAR's Vision is Rishte Wohi Soch Nayi

Then only two characters are upholding it.
Babasa and Sooraj...Primarily Sooraj as he approaches Sandhy who is the Nayee Soch maintaining all the Traditions of all the Rishte.

What about rest of characters ?
All these characters fine keep testing Sandhya...then that means in each fight with Sandhya, Sooraj and Babasa should be supporting Sandhya. Yes they support her, but where is that CHANGE PROCESS of SOORAJ TRICKLING DOWN on HIS SIBLINGS ?????? When people change, they are able to tell others why Change is better. SO in that sense, Sooraj should have started teaching his Sibs about good things he finds about Nayee Soch.

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In the name of Nayee Soch and Wohi Rishte...the story just keeps ridiculing Nayee Soch and never ever corrects the so called SELF-RIGHTEOUS People of the Show. Never.

And I am not even asking for Punishment. I want at least one by one people changing with Bhabho to be the last one to change. She is a hypocrit and so she need not even change...she would rather be shamed and boxed(read snubbed) to accept change. All I care is for a start, please have Vikram, Chavi and Mohit start changing one by one in bits and pieces. Please show the story where they land in hardships by their own self-righteous ignorant thinking and they weepingly tell Bhabho that it is because of her thinking today they have lost.

When is that gonna happen.

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Sometimes I just remain confused what I am watching ?

A girl's story who want's to be an IPS Officer ?
A husband's story who wants to see his Wife become an IPS Officer ?
Its a story of Nayee Soch Rishta Wohi ?
or its just Timepass of throwing CRAP at our face just to watch Lies, Scams and Hypocrisy having a GAY Time with Free Pass to STAR WORLD.

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Shridevi Gaddam

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Posted: 13 years ago

The changing face of India.

Many think that India is still shacked in traditional thinking.

But contrary to what TV shows, I have seen that at grass root level from the past two decades, because of lot women empowerment programmes implemented at State District Level, woman actually grab hold of employment positions in Government with the help of Women's reservation Quota.

In the end much of the change is related to Betterment of Life for economic reasons. I have seen woman working in Police Stations as Constables, Clerks, seen woman working in Courts as Admin Staff...wearing various uniforms. This I am talking about two districts Ranga Reddy and Warangal of AP. That is south. Teachers...we have commonly seen in villages. And I am not even touching METRO Cities. I am talking only about Towns of those Districts. And I am not talking about HIGH Bureaucratic Positions...I am talking Class D Staff.

So ...when women know that for economic reasons, woman have to work...and its been a tradition...so clearly what is Bhabho opposing ?????

If Bhabho belongs to a RICH Class where she and her Beendnis have to LIVE PURDAH System...with that Stupid Pallo on the head...WHEN Sandhya changed total Ghoonghat of face covering in Maasa's Track of Feb 2012...am I to see that one day Bhabho will agree for NO Pallo on her Beendni's heads ????? Is that what I should have patience to watch for ????

Whatever Bhabho talks of her Rathi Pariwaar and about her IDEAL BEENDNI Qualities, it is UTTERLY RIDICULOUS.

But this I have been feeling and I am a liberated person. But for the millions like Bhabho of India who are watching this SOAP, for whom WHO IS THE SPOKESPERSON WHO TELLS THEM THAT BHABHO IS WRONG ?????? How are they to learn that they need to CHANGE.

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The DABH Soap Writing is sometimes a MESS with failing to stand on the SIDE of ETHICALLY CORRECT Issues.

People should watch Udaan of Doordarshan. Story of Kalyani Singh IPS. That was rise of Nayee Soch over Purani Soch.

Patience is a Virtue...but only in the Case of SurYA. Everything else about the Story gives us a LOATHESOME Feeling.

I sure was disappointed today. I never though Bhabho would be such a FLAT Character with NIL Growth. And it would not have been my problem had I the confidence that Soooraj or Sandhya or Babasa had corrected the Wrongs.

TODAY MY PAIN IS NOT ABOUT BHABHO HELL BENT ABOUT 3RD MATKA PHOD.

MY PAIN IS ALL ABOUT...WHO IS GOING TO TELL CHAVI THAT SHE NEED NOT BE SCARED OF BHABHO AND SHE NEED NOT LIE EVERYTIME SHE IS SCARED OF ANYTHING. THAT SHE NEEDS TO DEAL WITH UNINTENTIONAL ACCIDENTS AND INTENTIONAL MISADVENTURES OF HERS.

For Gods Sake!!!! Who is taking care of Chavi if she was made a Target today. Its not that she is going to get her Sooraj Bhaiyya and Sandhya Bhabhi everywhere where she goes.
HOW ABOUT EMPOWERING CHAVI...the FEMALE here in the name of female power or female emancipation.

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.Ami.

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Posted: 13 years ago

Thought-provoking post SD..⭐️.

Just wanna add few more points:-

If we really wanna educate girls/women then we've to teach them feminism from the teenage for sure..

Since the time of evolution men always tried to rule over women. You know just see religious scriptures - it's written by males only. They've exaggerated women's strength too much.😕. Eventually it made women to sacrifices beyond their limits and this trend carried forward from generation to generation..now it's high time to break all these barriers. I feel really elated when generation of my girls raise their voice and fight for their rights. We've to gather courage to stand for what's right instead of become a so called "Goddess of sacrifices" as no one gonna value it.

IND is a diversified nation with over 1 and half billions of population so we cant actually generalize what kinda thought process people are following in larger scale?.

Personally, I'm coming from community where majority of the families are possessing pretty moderate values. There is no compulsion of to follow traditions/rituals strictly. I was allowed to wear jeans-tshirt from the next day of marriage itself as I feel really uncomfortable myself in traditional attires.😲.

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UMDU

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Posted: 13 years ago

Let me answer your points one by one. Despite all the frustration we may have with Bhabo's behavior let us not be as irrational as she is towards Sandhya and let us try to be rational.

1.No doubt they show Bhabo going over the top with matka challenges which is only done to heighten the sense of drama and gain TRPS a mission in which they have repeatedly succeeded. Matkas may not happen in real life but I have lived in Rajasthan for some yrs. I can tell you for sure that in social indicators Rajasthan is not high up. The districts you have mentioned are in AP. South has always been comparitively more progressive in terms of woman's education than north. North is relatively more conservative then south. Rajasthan is one of the BIMARU states in India. While some progress has been made in these states a lot needs to be done (BIMARU states is a term used for sick states that have not made much progress in economic or social parameters...Bihar, MP, Rajasthan and UP)

2.Speaking about lies...How did you conclude that traditionalism stands for morality ...I have never said so...Just like the Khap Panchayats uphold their stand against same Gotra marriages and kill young lovers, Bhabo manipulates to stop IPS. Can you say murder is morally and ethically right...Can you say the influence of Khaps in North India has 100% weaned away...If so why did Aamir Khan call Khap leaders to his show if they have no importance in the present day social order...If India as you say is really getting liberated.

3. If Bhabasa and Suraj are willing to accept new ideas why can't Bhabo. My point is everybody need not be progressive and liberal. Reacting to situations may be different in different individuals. One example is Egypt. It underwent a revolution and an Islamic party won the elections. The measures introduced by them were considered conservative by many so that government was overthrown. Now a daily battle is going on there between supporters of the overthrown Islamic party and the liberal ones.So you always have two sides in a battle.

4. I can understand your disgust over the manipulations in the family, but despite all the idealism and morality ground realities cannot be wished away. Our society is conservative and it will take time to change. Serials like DABH by showing Sandhya's emancipation through IPS are going to take steps in that direction. Have patience

4.The DABH CVs have tried to strike a balance between TRPS, Nayi Soch and ground realities. They have shown you the malaise that afflicts our society they will show you the solution as well. Nayi Soch will be Sandhya becoming IPS. They will show Bhabo changing but others like Meena, Chavvi and Mohit will not change. They will be retained as they are to provide drama which is essential for TRPS.

Sorry for the long post. I am unfortunately not a woman of few words.

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Shridevi Gaddam

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Posted: 13 years ago

Uma,

>>>>speaking about lies...How did you conclude that traditionalism stands for morality ..

The same HYPOCRITIC SOCIETY I AM PART OF. Otherwise where's the need for me to be Patriotic towards my country. Where's the need for my country's soldiers of army, navy, air force or BSF to be honest and protecting our nation. Where's the need for me to believe that they are gonna keep a watch while we sleep. Where's the need for me to believe the daily life will go on smoothly with transportation working on via the Railway, the Buses, everyone going to offices, children going to school everyday with those teachers, drivers, workmen presenting themselves everyday to work on all fronts.

I see peace around me and I go on my work everyday. Its this belief that tells me that I need to be ethical and moralistic. This is the tradition I grew up in. My parents and the school texts taught me not to lie, not to cheat. This is my tradition and no one can deny the truth for me that it is not. The way I have been taught and asked to behave by my elders, be it parents, teachers, neighbours, relatives or society law and order...that where my tradition stems from.

I checked the meaning for tradition to see if I got it wrongly...and I see it is the same.

The passing down of elements of a culture from generation to generation, especially by oral communication.

A mode of thought or behavior followed by a people continuously from generation to generation; a custom or usage.
A set of such customs and usages viewed as a coherent body of precedents influencing the present: followed family tradition in dress and manners. See synonyms at heritage.

A body of unwritten religious precepts.

A time-honored practice or set of such practices.

Law. Transfer of property to another.

So what I see in RP frequently in the name of passing on customs and thoughts to NEXT generation by Bhabho:

Having Dinner together with Beendnis serving the Men - Not anyting new. I saw variations of that.
Making Papads, Vadiyaan, Pickles and other eatables - pretty much same the way I grew up
Aangan Drama - Pretty much the same as I grew up...Class taking and resolution of day to day affairs. It was a necessary discussion per my mom and grandmothers explanations.
Mothers keeping a watch on everyone, keeping a tab on expense - same here
Dressing to the occassion, regular dressing...all understandable
Safekeeping of Jewellery at one place...again understandable...and have seen it
Household Chores distributed and work going on throughout the day - have seen it
Festivities, Competitions with Daisa's Household - agreeable - have seen it happening that way ...with my Mama adament on being the one to be with biggest Batkamma etc etc..

Those were all good traditions.

And we have seen these bad traditions too...

Do not respect your women. They can be beaten. If couple is caught, just beat up the woman, the DIL and not the son who also was responsible in the lying, cheating equally
Girls are lower than Men. Girl if she happens to be first born, she will be unlucky for the house
Women slapping False charge on MIL under Sec 498
Lieing, Cheating can be overlooked if they are your family members.
Daughter in Laws instead have to protect such liers and scammers.
We can scam our own brother and mother for Money by setting the godown on fire.
We can openly lie about passing in exams
We can have lie based marriage
We can have out of wedlock pregnancy and where the boy also jilts the girl
We can also swap babies at random so that we can make MIL happy and get a gold ornament set for giving a male child.
We can keep quiet for causing damage to a shop.
We can burn our fingers by losing money in fraudulent Chit Fund scams
We can also start bribing to get privy information to win a competition or exam answer paper.

In all of these bad traditions...the one thing...Lie based marriage...only this thing was punished as culprit was DIL. And also for the scams and case slapping on Bhabho, Meena was punished because she was DIL.

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nikita

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Posted: 13 years ago

0-SD-0,i completely agree with you dear

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UMDU

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Posted: 13 years ago

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SD, in the definition stated by you that is exactly what Bhabo is doing. Bhabo is upholding the traditional thought which says women have to manage families and men have to work. That is why she opposes IPS. That has been the traditional division of labour against which SurYa are fighting. You are saying the same thing through this definition. Now when that tradition is challenged by somebody what will you do. You will try to put them down. That Bhabo did. Suraj did not listen to her. What next... she did tel malish...that did not work...she did matkas...that also seems to be heading for a failure...She did LC.Who helped her in the matkas Chavvi and Emily. So for her the larger goal is to protect the tradition by hook or crook. So here whether you or I go to work or army protects the borders is irrelevant. Here Suraj lied and put his wife in college. Yes he did it for a good cause but he lied. He later repented but refused to pull his wife out of college. Bhabo resorted to treachery by giving Sandhya LC. She also repented and took her to college.Just like Suraj is adamant his wife will study Bhabo is adamant she will not allow IPS...so is it not a clash between new and old. Regarding your general point that everybody is doing their work and there is still sincerity and moral standards are upheld, you also have another side to the whole issue...we have corruption, we have criminals sitting in parliament, crime rate is going up so also violence against women can you wish this all away. So you always have two sides of the coin. In DABH they show you both the good and the bad.

Please don't take any offense on what I say as I am only debating a point which I have deeply thought about and decided. I am not doing it with the intention to hurt your sensibilities. I would like to apologise before hand if I have hurt you.That was never my intention.

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