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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: Chalavanth

I see you have tried to answer some questions...good..you are the only one who has actually attempted to do 😆 😆 ..I have written answers to some of them..in later pages..see if you agree with me

Franks dollyji i dont know carnatic and cant appreciate it.. so i dont really go in that realm... of judging it.... so i avoided questions which were specific to carnatic... but i like your thread and have a lot of catching up on all those pages... i know western music and notation and hindustani classical few ragas but thats it..😊 thanks

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: Chalavanth

56.Give one basic difference between Western and Indian music systems.

What differentiates Indian music system from its Western counterpart are the notes or the swaras. In Indian music, the swaras are of varying frequency unlike in Western music where it is fixed tone intervals. Because of the varying note frequency intervals, Indian music is able to create its raga scheme and thala scheme and no other music system in the world has this unique feature. Because of the variability or changeability in the tones, in Indian music system, the harmony is horizontal as opposed to vertical in the Western system. Consequently, during a performance or a concert, there is no need to changes the keys.

I am not sure about this.. Its just that our ancestors didnt know how to measure this and thus couldnt formalize it. the basis of any music is logarithms... so the intervals are always fixed.... the major difference bet' western and indian is western bases its focus on harmony - a blend of scales, notes, accidentals, instruments... where indian music is more melodic progressions....Also indian music has mood indicators and Time of the day concept for scales....

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: qwertyesque

Franks dollyji i dont know carnatic and cant appreciate it.. so i dont really go in that realm... of judging it.... so i avoided questions which were specific to carnatic... but i like your thread and have a lot of catching up on all those pages... i know western music and notation and hindustani classical few ragas but thats it..😊 thanks

well I also donot knew anything about carnatic music until I start reading about it and learning from some musical people around me.My 5 year old is starting some training ..so I had to learn..Thanks for coming ...

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: qwertyesque

I am not sure about this.. Its just that our ancestors didnt know how to measure this and thus couldnt formalize it. the basis of any music is logarithms... so the intervals are always fixed.... the major difference bet' western and indian is western bases its focus on harmony - a blend of scales, notes, accidentals, instruments... where indian music is more melodic progressions....Also indian music has mood indicators and Time of the day concept for scales....

That could be one reason....Iam not sure either..

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Posted: 18 years ago
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relationship between Carnatic Music and Tamil Cinema


Film music is an integral part of life in Tamil Nadu. To a good section of Tamil-speaking people in several parts of the world, music means film songs. In certain sections of Tamil society, film songs are played over blaring loud speakers at functions like weddings, birthdays and public meetings. Quite ironically during such celebrations film songs about death, tragedy and misery are played because such songs happen to be popular hits.

Music is big business in Tamil cinema and Ilayaraja dominates the scene. He is revered as a cult figure and his name figures on the top of Tamil film posters. Producers proudly announce that their films carry his blessings and best wishes. Indeed, Ilayaraja is the superstar of Tamil cinema.

Though Carnatic music is not easy to follow because of its intricate grammar and syntax by the man on the street, its impact on Tamil cinema has been immense. In the early decades of Tamil cinema it held sway, yielding subsequently to other forms like Hindustani and Western music. Indeed, film music is an amalgam of many different disciplines. However, even today Carnatic music does influence Tamil film songs and composers like Ilayaraja make effective use of it to create rich mellifluous music moulded to popular taste.

Movies began to talk and sing in Tamil in 1931 with H.M. Reddi's Kalidas produced by the founding father of the Indian talking-picture, Ardeshir Irani of Bombay. The heroine spoke and sang in Tamil, the hero in Telugu while some characters spoke in Hindi. In fact, Kalidas is the first multi-lingual film of India. The impact of theatre on Tamil cinema has been powerful, the music and songs being inherited as a kind of legacy. In Tamil theatre almost everyone sang from the hero and heroine to the message-bearing maids, comedians and villains. In a scene showing the villain attempting to molest the heroine, he broke into a song in praise of his own physical prowess!

In early Tamil theatre dialogue was minimal and even a dying man on the screen would breath his last with a song on his lips. The early talkie films, on an average, boasted of 30-40 songs. Pavalakodj (1934) which introduced M.K. Thyagaraja Bhagavathar, S.D. Subbulakshmi as the lead pair and K. Subramaniam, a lawyer-turneddirector, had as many as 50 songs! Bhagavathar, already a stage star, was an excellent singer and a trained classical Carnatic musician. His fan following was phenomenal. The film became a hit mainly because of its music composed by another legend of Tamil cinema the Carnatic music savant Papanasam Sivan. He made his debut as film music composer in 1933 with Seetha Kalyanam.

The name - Papanasam Sivan - is a misnomer. He was neither from Papanasam, a small town near Thanjavur, nor was he christened Sivan. He was Polagam Ramaiah, an orthodox Brahmin. He spent his early life in poverty, learning music in Thiruvananthapuram, then the capital of a maharaja-ruled state, Travancore, under the celebrated composer Neelakanta Shiva. In deference to his guru, he called himself Sivan. He moved to Papanasam to earn a living as a performing artiste and music teacher. Shortly, he migrated to Madras, the cultural capital of South India. Here he befriended a lawyer, V. Sundaram Iyer. In him Sivan found a friend, guide and patron. He taught music to the lawyer's children, S. Rajam and his sister. The youngest child, a boy of six would observe the lessons and was to become the multi-faceted genius of music, S. Balachander.

Meanwhile V. Shantaram, then at Kolhapur with Prabhat, wrote to a Madras-based movie magazine Sound and Shadow, seeking help to make a Tamil film. He planned to use the sets and props of Sairandhari (India's first film in colour). An expensive production it had not fared well and Prabhat was trying to cut the deficit by launching a Tamil film. The talented names behind the magazine, Muthuswami Iyer (Murugadasa) Ramnath-Sekhar, the magazine-backer, impresario G.K. Seshagiri, Sundaram Iyer and his children and some amateur stage artistes boarded a train at Madras to Miraj en route to Kolhapur. Along travelled Papanasam Sivan, to make his debut in movies.

Sivan chose some songs composed by Purandaradasa, substituting his own words to suit the plot situations. He retained the raga, melody and rhythm for the film songs. He used some of his own compositions for Seetha Kalyanam which was directed by the noted Marati film-maker Baburao Phendharkar. It proved to be a commercial success; its songs became very popular.
Edited by Chalavanth - 18 years ago
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Then Papanasam Sivan joined his friend K. Subramaniam whose star rose fast in the film firmament with Pavalakodi. With every film Sivan gained more acclaim. In Naveena Sarangadhara (1936), a Thyagaraja Bhagavathar - S.D. Subbulakshmi starrer directed by K. Subramaniam, a song by Papanasam Sivan rendered by Subbulakshmi - Ven Puravey - was about a pigeon as a messenger of love and became a rage. 1937 was a significant year for Tamil film music. And also for Thyagaraja Bhagavathar and Papanasam Sivan. Two of Bhagavathar starrers - Y.V. Rao's Chintamani and Ellis R. Dungan's Ambikapathi smashed box-office records. Their songs were played and re-played in every middle-class household which had a gramophone. Carnatic music is raga-based. A raga is musical notes sa-ri-ga-pa-ma-da-ni arranged in many permutations and combinations. Each arrangement of seven notes called swaras bears a beautiful poetic name like thodi, kalyani, ranjani, charukesi, bhairavi and keeravani. Each song is composed in a particular raga and Sivan chose ragas with an accent on melody which could be hummed by the common man.

Usually composers do not write film lyrics. But Papanasam Sivan like most classical composers wrote the words and set them to tune. After the phenomenal success of films like Chintamani and Ambikapathi, Papanasam Sivan became a superstar. Till the early 1950s he dominated the Tamil film music scene.

During the early years of Tamil cinema when the playback-singing system had not yet come into vogue, the actors had to sing. Therefore, only artistes with singing skills and voices could play lead roles. Producers made a beeline for classical Carnatic musicians to act in films. Leading performing musicians with a fan following of their own entered Tamil cinema. Maharajapuram Viswanatha Iyer, Musiri Subramania Iyer, G.N. Balasubramaniam, N.C Vasanthakokilam, C Honnappa Bhagavathar and T.N. Rajarathanam Pillai were not great actors but excellent musicians.

Interestingly, Papanasam Sivan acted in a few films like K. Subramaniam's Bhaktha Kuchela (1936), Thyaga Bhoomi (1939) and RS. Mani'sKubera Kuchela (1943). With his lean and striking looks, the celebrated composer was the ideal choice to play Kuchela, Lord Krishna's childhood friend, playmate and a poor Brahmin.

After the 1950s, the impact of Hindustani music, Hindi film music and western music like jazz and rock-and-roll was felt. Film music composers like CR Subbaraman, S. Rajeswara Rao, R Sudharsanam and others introduced such influences in their film songs which were well received. Indeed several song numbers were lifted from outside sources and used in local films.

However, Carnatic music continued to hold its own in Tamil cinema, albeit in a diluted form. A raga was jazzed up to make it appealing to laymen. The purists complained of course and some shouted themselves hoarse that Carnatic music was being sullied and destroyed. Indeed they called film music IIdappa sangeetham". During 1949, Ek Thi Ladki, a Hindi musical featuring Meena and Motilal, made waves with its song Lara lappa... haadi tappa. The impact of the number on regional cinema like Tamil was considerable. The hybrid form of film song was dubbed as 'dappa' music.

Tamil film music soared high after the advent of the brilliant music composers M.S. Viswanathan, T.K. Ramamurthy and K. V. Mahadevan. Though they were not classical Carnatic musicians they did possess sound knowledge of the traditional music and their songs too were raga based, firmly set in Carnatic music.

Then came Ilayaraja in 1976 with Annai Ki]i. Innovative, he is very knowledgeable about many schools of music including the classical western. He makes bold experiments with music, never mind the criticism by purists.

For K. Balachander's Sindhu Bhairavi (the name of a raga), Illayaraja adapted a Telugu song Mari mari ninney composed by Saint Thyagaraja, the legendary composer, a god-figure of Carnatic music who had composed it more than 150 years ago in a particular raga. In a bold, unprecedented move Illayaraja changed the raga Saramathi. No musician would have dared to do this. The song rendered by K.J. Yesudas, also a trained classical Carnatic musician, became a rage.

Indeed Ilayaraja has been using Carnatic music effectively. Composers like Deva and Hamsalekha also use classical music. Music continues to playa major role in Tamil cinema. Only the number of songs has fallen. Audio cassettes of film songs are released far ahead of the film at glittering functions. It is big business too, and a welcome source of income to the producer.

Edited by Chalavanth - 18 years ago

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