INDIAN WOMAN. A COMMODITY. - Page 2

Originally posted by: showviewer

Agree about the forum...the prejudices that exist against another woman and leeway given to men is astonishing.

I agree with this entirely. It is amazing the concessions given to the males. Seems like many here at IF are besotted with the superficial rather than what makes a difference!

UB is thinking of CC's social humiliation when the marriage breaks, her son can marry again and move on with least amount of social repercussions. UB will take her revenge and get the kind of bahu she wants for Manav.

Why the least amount of social repercussions for the son? His marriage is also the one that broke, right? It takes two to tango. Plus, what's wrong with divorce? Why would that be a social humiliation? Sounds like a double standard to me.

(A lot of my friends have double families. Divorced. And their families, like mine, are professionals, as well as ensconced in the political and commercial arena. There is really no problem. My parents are not divorced, but they didn't stop me from making friends of those whose parents were. They never told me to make friends based on the financial status of my friends' parents. But how much respect they showed.)

People like UB do exist and so do mothers like her who place their ego, social standing and family status above their children's happiness. They feel they know the best and respect means others towing their line.

I agree that such kinds of people must exist. It's really a shame, though. To put one's ego above the happiness of one's own child.

It's also shocking! To take away one's right to happiness and true freedom.

The reason for Thakhar bhai and his daughter's willingness to marry a much married Manav we will know in coming episodes. However, it could be as simple as getting the Borisagar family name which garners status in their community. In a hierarchical and status conscious society these things do happen.

But isn't this an anomaly, in itself? How can one garner the social status when they have married a divorced man? Aren't these things frowned upon. It doesn't make sense for one thing to be all right - a woman marrying a divorced man. Or a divorced man marrying a woman. And another thing to be wrong - a woman being divorced from her husband. ?😕?? Unless, this is based on gender inequality. That is, it is OK for the man to do anything, but not for the woman. She must die in shame! So then, this brings us back to square on. Women being treated as second class citizens, who are not respected in their own right, who are not given true freedom accorded to the men.

Though TM is right about the unmoralistic aspect of what UB is doing, but there are many in the world who bend social norms and cultural traditions to meet their own selfish ends. They sit on judgement on others and use traditions and social practices to gain power and control over others. These traditions become their tools of control.

Open a newspaper any day and one will find some such incident or other.

Yes, it's a travesty.

Originally posted by: -Unknowndesire

Interesting topic couldn't agree with you more UB must be out of her mind if she actually thinks this is traditional! Like Manav would agree to something like that he can't survive even one day without CC. She really doesn't care about her son's happiness she's really one messed up woman yuck.

If this girl actually knows Manav is married that would be just ew her expressions today when she heard Manav's name 🤢 She does really like him and wants to married him but it didn't work out I fell she does know Manav is a married man and would do anything to get him. 🤢 She might actually be successful in separating ChanMan who knows? something dramatic is coming up soon.

Originally posted by: ayshaomar

I agree

definitely UmaBen is overriding her sons happiness for her own motives

although she is masking it under 'i am doing the right thing for my son' that really means she is doing the right thing for herself

and Thakkar - i get he may fear/respect (not sure which one) UmaBen but is he really willing to destroy a girls life (aka ChhanChhan) by getting her and her husband separated so your daughter can get married to him..if it was the other way around, he wouldn't like his daughter to be in ChhanChhan's position

as they are saying lots of twists and turns coming up so lets see what the CV's have planned

p.s. also i totally disagree with the idea of dowry..to me its like your buying and selling rather than accepting and embracing a new member to the family

Originally posted by: kbtr

This is what is mind boggling. A father who knows that he is breaking up a marriage so that his daughter can get married. If UB does it once, what's to stop her from doing it again. Thakkar needs to look past his nose and see a whole lot more. And really, what does UB think Manav is? A butterfly? Flitting from one flower to the next???

As long as these twists and turns don't mean Manav is humiliating, ridiculing. taunting, ignoring his newly wedded wife, then I guess that would be OK. But from what I know of Indian serials so far (which is not much, based on Sanaya's previous show only) I can see a separation coming. It is the tried and tested ho hum way of doing things. Of course, thinking out of the box is risky, but more exciting... I hope that can happen here, and there is no separation. The CVs have shown things a bit differently so far, so I'm hoping...

The concept of dowry is completely foreign to me. It might have had it's place in the olden days for securing marriage, for females from different villages as the males went to war. But in today's global world and economy it has no value.

Originally posted by: MadhuO

Bold topic. 😊

I had this conversation with a friend and her mother at the time of the wedding, becasue I too am baffled by this behaviour.

It is about getting a girl married into a rich family and "buying" the social prestige and "financial" security. Just the fact that a rich family like the Borisagar's want one's daughter as a DIL is enough.

Women like UB exist and father's like Thakker exist. He knows UB wants his daughter to marry her son Manav at whose wedding he gave the money to UB. You can't even say he is "selling" his daughter because he is not getting "paid". He gets to say "Look, my daughter is married to a Borisagar".

This stuff happens in rich, wordly, educated families. Marriage "deals" are made between families for "wealth" reasons. It is more of a "social" issue rather than a "culture" issue.

Women like UB don't care about what they are doing to other women.

Being in India Forums have you not noticed the "bias" against Sanaya. I am disgusted by a lot of comments and posts made about Sanaya...by women. If women/girls can write such stuff what kind of a person are they in real life?

Originally posted by: ayshaomar

dowry is an alien concept to me to and i guess i wouldn't be aware of it if i never watched bollywood films/shows

yes exactly if someone is capable of doing something once, what stops them from doing it again

yes the separation is a very common track used and who knows it may or may not happen..it is one that is meant to bring the couple closer together, but if they do have a separation lets say i think it will be different like the rest of the show has been so far

either way im not too fussed on tracks..i guess i just take it as it comes 😊

Originally posted by: princessunara

wow! agree word to word!! this is things i have heard, read about..never faced or known any1 who faced.
dowry, casts r superficial stuff in my world..its there but not in an aggressive way..

And not just Sanaya, I have been sick seeing the words girls/women use on all the actresses on this place!! its sickening how women do that to another woman.. its not for nothing that there has come a term 'a woman is a woman's biggest enemy'

u know its like ragging in university. in government unis 1st years get ragged. and the following year the people who know the pain, humiliation of being ragged do the ragging themselves!! its pathetic! almost impossible to understand!
these old MIL making DILs life hell thing is exactly like this too..

Anyway @TM - Vittoria trust me I was shocked too that a FATHER can do it to his own daughter! She is going to be a 2nd wife to a man, who loved and will love another woman (that is i am talking cz they think the 1st marriage will break and theirs will happen no)
And i hope the girl doesn't know that the guy is married. otherwise i guess she is also nothing better than a prostitute! selling her body for the highest bidder (social status wise) cz neither love nor mutual wanting, care none of these r driving her. She is simply out to get another woman's man..

UB also baffles me.. she tried lies, half truths and miscommunication to trouble CC, that didn't work. But then she figured out appealing to CC's good nature, her sense of family would work! And it does too!
And now what does this say about this woman? she has for her own self found out that the girl her son has married cares for her son, cares for the family and will always put them ahead of her own needs. Earlier she thought CC was all bad, but now she knows for surety that the girl is sweet, caring, cultured and loving..And she STILL wants to get rid of that girl!! 😲
What kind of mother does it! I mean ok if the girl is actually bad and still her son loves her and he is destroying himself over her then i can understand a mother actively trying to break a marriage!
but this is ridiculous!!
She doesn't even love her own son in reality if she can do this to her!

Originally posted by: MadhuO

Bold topic. 😊

I had this conversation with a friend and her mother at the time of the wedding, becasue I too am baffled by this behaviour.

It is about getting a girl married into a rich family and "buying" the social prestige and "financial" security. Just the fact that a rich family like the Borisagar's want one's daughter as a DIL is enough.

Women like UB exist and father's like Thakker exist. He knows UB wants his daughter to marry her son Manav at whose wedding he gave the money to UB. You can't even say he is "selling" his daughter because he is not getting "paid". He gets to say "Look, my daughter is married to a Borisagar".

This stuff happens in rich, wordly, educated families. Marriage "deals" are made between families for "wealth" reasons. It is more of a "social" issue rather than a "culture" issue.

Women like UB don't care about what they are doing to other women.

Being in India Forums have you not noticed the "bias" against Sanaya. I am disgusted by a lot of comments and posts made about Sanaya...by women. If women/girls can write such stuff what kind of a person are they in real life?

Originally posted by: GodhuliLogon

nothing to add .. very nicely said .. 👏 some ppl really think marriage is a business deal ...🤢

off topic .. @bold .. disgusting..