JALANDHAR - The Revolution!!! - Page 2

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Posted: 12 years ago
#11
yes i agree Jalandhar is known in Paranas more for being the husband of Vrinda who later turned to the divine plant Tulsi

but that I am sorry to say was not even shown in DKDM

Vrinda did not take jalsamadhi her body transformed into tulsi

they did not show this

there was even a dialogue in which Jalhandhar is saying ham chand par milenge and some such rubbish

how is he supposed to meat Vrinda after death?

Vrinda became Immortal as Tulsi and Tulsi is the bride of Lord Shaligram

They showed all the tridevs in a bad light just to glorify an irrelevant Asur

and even in Ravan track they are doing the same , they are showing as if Ravan turned evil due to Shiva and Ganpati

I shudder tpo thing what anyone who does not know the reality would think of our Gods
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Posted: 12 years ago
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yes Vrinda becomes Tulsi and Tulsi Shaligram Vivaah is very famous tradition.

I even never understood what was happening in the Jalandhar story it looked like a meluha pure fiction.


I wondered why they not help reform Jalandhar and let him and Vrinda have a happy ending.


Ravan is a param bhakt of Shiv and the way they showed him breaking the rudraksh beads was offensive because his love for Mahadev never wavered till the end.
I felt hurt at this depiction of Ravan. He is no ordinary asur.
He became a victim of his ego but he was extraordinary.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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No he is no ordinary asur of no relevance . Ravan is burnt every year on dasahara. The biggest festival of India is attributed to victory over him.

He might have been evil but not ordinary and certainly not irrelevant
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Again Mother and Maternal Grand Dad is to blame for Raavan's path. Even his mother admitted it.

Indrajit, Kumbhakaran knew lord Ram was Lord Vishnu avatar yet they still fought because of loyality to big brother as Vib was loyal to Lord Vishnu and people of Lanka. Indajit and KHUMBAKARAN also would rather be killed lord rama and gain salvation than not fight. On many occasion Kumbakaran warned Ravan against the sin he committed.

Nahush was not Indra for Devs during the RAVAN era it was either before or after Ram/ Ravan Era.
Edited by viper833 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Vrinda & Tulsi were different characters altogether, as were Jalandhar and Shankhchuda, even though their stories seem to have been conflated in several places.

Reading the link originally provided by Minakshi, Vrinda was not Jalandhar's shield, but Tulsi was Shankhchuda's shield. As per that posted account, Parvati was angry @ Jalandhar for trying to seduce her in Mahadev's guise, and to get back @ him, asked VIshnu to play the same trick on Vrinda. In other words, it was not something Vishnu did to erode Jalandhar's defenses. Vrinda's curse on Vishnu was just that his wife would be deceitfully abducted, and that he would be wandering about the forest looking for her. She did not curse Vishnu that he'd be turned to stone.

And yeah, Jalandhar wasn't enemy of Indra due to any Matsyakanya - the real reason was partly shown in DkDM. Jalandhar saw the headless Rahu, and Bhrigu explained to him why Rahu was beheaded. Following that, Jalandhar delivered an ultimatum to Indra to surrender everything that had been mined in the samudra manthan, and after Indra refused, Jalandhar defeated him in war. Vishnu refused to kill Jalandhar on Lakshmi's request - shown accurately in DkDM - and so it fell upon Narada to instigate Jalandhar against Mahadev.

In the Shankhchuda/Tulsi case, the story was slightly different. There, Shankhchuda had defeated Indra and conquered his kingdom. Here, Mahadev ordered Shankhchuda to restore to the devas their kingdom, and Shankhchuda refused, inviting Mahadev to win it by force, if he could. Now, here, Shankhchuda did have his wife's pativrata tapasya as his shield. In this account too, Parvati instigates Vishnu to violate Tulsi. Now, here, Parvati had no reason to instigate this as she arguably had in Vrinda's case, but the other reason - that it was necessary to violate Tulsi to break her husband's defenses - was actually true in this case. So in both the accounts, the rationale for Vishnu violating the women was different, but there.

Tulsi's curse on Vishnu was different. Unlike Vrinda, she cursed Vishnu that he'd turn into a stone - which is the saligram.

Vishnu's reactions to the end of both Vrinda & Tulsi was bizarre, to say in the least. In Vrinda's case, after she cremated herself, he took her ashes 🤢, smeared them on his body and wandered about aimlessly. The devas, concerned at this, approached Shiva to break Vishnu's obsession w/ Vrinda, who referred them to Parvati. Parvati, Lakshmi & Saraswati scattered some seeds on Vrinda's pyre, out of which 3 plants - tulsi, amla & malti emerged.

In Tulsi's case, unlike Vrinda, she did not die, but kept crying inconsolably. Vishnu meditated on Shiva, who appeared and 'blessed' Tulsi that she would be the beloved of Vishnu.

There is nothing in the story I read above about Vrinda & Tulsi being the same person. The story of Jalandhar & Shankhchuda have some parallels (both conquered the devas) but different in most respects.
Edited by .Vrish. - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I agree with all you have said above @vrish and the conclusion is still the same , Jalandhar was not a revolutionary, he was like any other asur king. Like mahish or tarak or trilok

There is nothing unique about jalandhar except the fact that mohit raina played the role😆
Edited by Nandiniraizaada - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Nandini hit the nail on the head there. 😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I had moved on from the Jalandhar is a revolutionary argument, which I had commented on in the first post in my thread. The last one was something I did after I read a lot of conflicting things about Vrinda & Tulsi, so went to a source to see what it actually said. That's what I described above

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