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Posted: 12 years ago
#61
@all,

Such strong feeling about Ram, I am surprised, is there any other thread where we can meet and discuss that? I would love a good debate on Ram and why he did what he did!

He is someone I have immense respect and admiration for.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: vaishali-AR



@Samarth- You know you are disagreeing way too much with me these days and its kinda annoying!!!! 😡😡😡 Kiddin ok?! 😆 Ok, firstly lemme just clear my stand .. When I drew parallels with Radha Krishna or Ram Sita , I wasn't ranking one over the other... The only basis of drawing parallel with Radha Krishna was the ultimate fate of their relationship or love story whatever you choose to call it , not the reason or route of it... the fate being them not following the social route of an eternal union i.e marriage yet being eternally inseparable so much so that one's name is not pronounced without mentioning the other.. . I wasn't taking into account their individual commitments , since I have no idea of it.. Ram Sita on the other hand, make me more reluctant to draw a parallel of their story with that of Saras Kumud only coz of the sad and unfortunate sufferings, trials and tribulations they had to go through after they got married.. first the 14 years of vanvaas, then the abduction, war, then their separation because of distrust, agnipariksha ... Ironically Saras and Kumud's story may be closer to the later but I would personally not want distrust to be the reason for their separation...not after hearing Saras say that he trusts Kumud more than he trusts himself and Kumud say ''Jahan pyar hota hai vahan vishwas hota hai'' ...

You know I respect and believe in the institution of marriage...but sometimes wonder if marriage allows you to be wrong and forgiven even in the face of serious misjudgements.. compare that to a situation Saras and Kumud might find themselves in, where even a genuine concern for a person's well being may be looked down upon or criticized because they are not married and do not have the right over each other.. hypothetically speaking ofcourse.. !!

Vaishali,
Thanks for the reply. I get the reference point. Yes, from original's end POV, it's apt. Agree your take on distrust. There is no scope for it in Samud. And cvs too won't be able to insert it here, except perhaps some situational delay on part of Saras and Kumud's compulsion in accepting the fate. One more point. in my opinion, Ram never distrust Sita. I think there is a specific explanation on this point in the epic. Ram told this to Sita at agnipariksha and to enraged Lakshman, at times of second abandonment. Maybe some knowledgable viewers put more light. But agree, Ram's follow up is not agreeable.
For an import, 'Ram Sita' analogy replacing 'Radha- Krishna', ensures required correction in End. So I am supporting it as that much.

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Posted: 12 years ago
#63

Originally posted by: arshicritic

@mandy, hotdogg


I don't think there is enough evidence to start thinking Danny Kumud yet. I feel Danny Kumari is more likely, ...



Danny looks a total baccha (apologies to all here who think he's hot...😉) Kumud would prob add him to her classroom not marry him...😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: vaishali-AR


@Samarth- You know you are disagreeing way too much with me these days and its kinda annoying!!!

😡😡😡 Kiddin ok ?!

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How else wud get my discourse?!😆

But you don't know, am following many of your leads- spoken or unspoken. One such was in the end of a long debate on spirituality that you are unaware.😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: arshicritic




Smrth, I think the CVs themselves have moved from Radha Krishna parallel to Ram Sita parallel,

And so have we. And I too have been having the same feeling, that there will be no Saras Kusum,

Ram, on their wedding night, had given the Ek Patni vachan to Seeta, and stood by it, even when he renounced her, and yesterday, Saras too gave a similar vachan to Kumud.

My POV on Ram, completely different from yours and Vaishali's .while at one time I too questioned the fairness of his treatment towards Seeta, looking around me today, I have immense respect for his stand on this.

He was the true maryada purshottam for me - a man who made tough personal choices in the call for duty.

But this is not Ram Sita story, so lets not go there,

But yeah Ram Seeta parallel - a good sign, foretells love strong and ever present, even in the face of separation


ArshiC,
Actually we are agreeing. My post concurs your views in reference with Samud. That's what I have been telling to Vaishali. Though not understanding Ram's action, i agree Cvs reference point. It fits a perfect assurance. Ram does not marry again IS significant. Cvs, thanks for it.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: smrth

😆
How else wud get my discourse?!😆

But you don't know, am following many of your leads- spoken or unspoken. One such was in the end of a long debate on spirituality that you are unaware.😊


what leads smrth? Let me tell you, I am quite clueless myself these days.. I watch the episode and feel a certain way ..visit the forum and end up thinking 180 degress of what I had initially thought of it.. heart and mind conflicting against each other.. About the original post, I have a question that might sound really silly.. sorry for my ignorance on this, but did Ram accept Sita and his sons in the end? I think ...and I might be wrong here.., that the land had split in halves and she had gone down the earth... ok I am sounding really stupid now..😆 you see how confused I am..?!

P.S- Yeah I get the point.. why Ram Sita parallel works in our favor.. Just didnt like Saras bringing up the topic of second marriage..
Edited by vaishali-AR - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: vaishali-AR


what leads smrth? Let me tell you, I am quite clueless myself these days.. I watch the episode and feel a certain way ..visit the forum and end up thinking 180 degress of what I had initially thought of it.. heart and mind conflicting against each other.. About the original post, I have a question that might sound really silly.. sorry for my ignorance on this, but did Ram accept Sita and his sons in the end? I think ...and I might be wrong here.., that the land had split in halves and she had gone down the earth... ok I am sounding really stupid now..😆 you see how confused I am..?!

P.S- Yeah I get the point.. why Ram Sita parallel works in our favor.. Just didnt like Saras bringing up the topic of second marriage..


Didn't he? I am not much informed on the epic ( its subtleties ). But Ram, of course accepted Lav-Kush. The kingdom too was passed on to them.
Did he accept Sita? Well he did, after Valmiki's intervention ( now please not ' why Valmiki is needed? Remember, personally, he has no doubt on Sita, for Public Probity, Rishi's reprimand was necessary...and by this, I am not defending his public act either).
Anyways, it was Sita who RENOUNCED in the end, choosing to depart. Isn't it? Now this is dangerously resembling to The End' in question.😲 ...ok no more on it...😕

Edit add: Vaishali, your question is now not letting me savour this analogy either.😡It's end! 😭

Edited by smrth - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: smrth


Didn't he? I am not much informed on the epic ( its subtleties ). But Ram, of course accepted Lav-Kush. The kingdom too was passed on to them.
Did he accept Sita? Well he did, after Valmiki's intervention ( now please not ' why Valmiki is needed? Remember, personally, he has no doubt on Sita, for Public Probity, Rishi's reprimand was necessary...and by this, I am not defending his public act either).
Anyways, it was Sita who RENOUNCED in the end, choosing to depart. Isn't it? Now this is dangerously resembling to The End' in question.😲 ...ok no more on it...😕


As far as I know ..yes.. she chose to depart.. but in the context of the novel and its contemporary adaptation, this Kumud doesn't have to go that route unlike the Kumud of the past era when widow remarriage was not socially acceptable.. hmmm.. I guess best thing would be to take it as it comes instead of anticipating the end.. ok I will shut up now..

edit- smrth my knowledge on this is as limited or maybe more restrained than yours..perhaps some1 who knows more on this can help.. But I believe that analogy doesnt mean that it will play out exactly like Ramayan.. Ram did not marry twice.. lets just stick to that part and be happy..

Edited by vaishali-AR - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: happychappy

I dont remember who made the comment about the CV's speeding up/cutting scenes at all the wrong places and then needlessly dillydallying at other places... Couldnt agree more😕


While each scene today was kinda cute, where is all this going? I feel like we have been given a grace period where we are shown general mumbo-jumbo cute stuff/innovative? techno-romance interspersed with some SBS stuff, but all of it seems to be a filler-type featherweight calm-before-the storm ... This is not the show it was in the beginning, where everything was very purposeful.

The pace now reminds me of a train that arrived too early to pull into a station, and then realises belatedly that it might have arrived at the wrong station, quickly trying to switch tracks to some other place, puffing away madly... smoke everywhere, very messy, too many people on the train, as well, too many signals,,,,, 😲 😲 😲 ❓ 🤔

absolutley agree, they are cutting off the scenes and editing makes no sense. There is essence missing in the show now. SBL and CVs please look in your editing beofre shwoing us episodes...

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