In the name of Science!

There is heated debate about the ethics of using stem cells

Healthy new-born babies may have been killed in Ukraine to feed a flourishing international trade in stem cells, evidence obtained by the BBC suggests.

Disturbing video footage of post-mortem examinations on dismembered tiny bodies raises serious questions about what happened to them.

Ukraine has become the self-styled stem cell capital of the world.

There is a trade in stem cells from aborted foetuses, amid unproven claims they can help fight many diseases.

But now there are claims that stem cells are also being harvested from live babies.

Wall of silence

The BBC has spoken to mothers from the city of Kharkiv who say they gave birth to healthy babies, only to have them taken by maternity staff.

In 2003 the authorities agreed to exhume around 30 bodies of foetuses and full-term babies from a cemetery used by maternity hospital number six.

One campaigner was allowed into the autopsy to gather video evidence. She has given that footage to the BBC and Council of Europe.

In its report, the Council describes a general culture of trafficking of children snatched at birth, and a wall of silence from hospital staff upwards over their fate.

The pictures show organs, including brains, have been stripped - and some bodies dismembered.

A senior British forensic pathologist says he is very concerned to see bodies in pieces - as that is not standard post-mortem practice.

It could possibly be a result of harvesting stem cells from bone marrow.

Hospital number six denies the allegations.


I remember the "Organ Shops in underdeveloped countries" thread. Atleast those were adults making a certain decision of selling their body part for money.
The ones mentioned here are stolen ?? (/ sold?? perhaps can't say ) infants😭😭. This is infanticide in the name of science.. 🤢🤢
Not to mention how these incidents actually hamper ethical scientific efforts!
In this topic, I am not questioning whether this is right. (If anyone feels this is infanticide is rightful, then MONSTER could be a great screen name for you! )

mQT

Originally posted by: abhijit shukla

How inhuman!
I have not been a great proponant of stem cell research for this concern only.
This was bound to happen in a country where law and order has not kept up with technology.

Exactly! I fear that Ukraine is accompanied by several other countries as well.
It is unbelievable how much technology certain East Asian countries have developed already. There are no stringent rules and guidelines! Although Dolly had ageing and other issues, cloning techniques will only improve now on. Hopefully, a monster is not in the making.

There is free radioactivity lying around in eastern Europe and babies are now getting killed. How low can man go?
Thanks for the reply Dr. AS.

Subhagya

Originally posted by: abhijit shukla

I thought Dolly was euthanized.

Doc, You are right.
Using past tense to describe Dolly-failure makes more sense, because she was euthenized 3 years ago. She suffered from lung disease, in the end, along with several ageing, faulty telomeric function, arthritis among others.
As you know, I was trying to say that creating Dolly was the first attempt. The next Dolly may not have those many diseases. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I changed the "has" to "had."

subhagya

Originally posted by: abhijit shukla

This was bound to happen in a country where law and order has not kept up with technology.

I agree with you. This is really inhuman.

I do not agree with any of you.

There are aberrations in all societies. If not in the name of stem cells, then in the name of organ trading. So do we ban organ transplantation because of this?

The fact is that within the jungle , we have to seek the ideals.

Originally posted by: Jatayu

I do not agree with any of you.

There are aberrations in all societies. If not in the name of stem cells, then in the name of organ trading. So do we ban organ transplantation because of this?

The fact is that within the jungle , we have to seek the ideals.

Uhoh Bird ji!

I was wondering how widespread this must be. I am not questioning the benefits / hazards resultant of stem cell research. I think this incident is completely INHUMAN and perhaps more abundant that we realize 🤢. I am dead sure you don't disagree on that!😃

Hello everyone!

I DO NOT INTEND to make this a debate about whether stem cell research should be allowed / banned.
News such as the one below make me sleepless wondering

• how wide-spread these events must be. One in how many incidents comes into light?
  

• Do you think this could be happening in several underdeveloped countries??? Could it be happening in technologically and economically advanced countries??? Will the need for money and abundance of children lead several others into doing it?
  

So?

If someone finds a loophole does not mean the entire project has to be scraped it is the responsibility of the lawmakers to make the science available to the general populace, If they cannot do that job, they should give way to people who do, not put a curb on the things that can be in the benefit of the society

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this is not a science debate. this is looking at the geographical aspect.

Let them continue their research! 😆 😆 I am Not stopping them 😕 .

You guys please tell me how widespread you think this is. and whether it is limited to developing countries..

Can I get the most misconstrued post award??

its a veri subtle thing. Whereas its research is going to possibly give breakthrough's in medical science its implications to foeticide and moral questions about that constituting a crime - like if i shoot a person in a restaurant i am a criminal.. if i shoot in a battle field i can get a medal... these inconsistent human interpretations make this whole thing a politically hung up situation... 😊

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😭 😭 what was i hoping to discuss and what are we talking about 😭 😭