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Posted: 12 years ago
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Devaraj Indra is not an evil..but worst fellow
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Posted: 12 years ago
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You are right that Indra didn't take anyone's help in killing Vritra. There are actually 2 accounts of what happened there, both of which I've described in pg 1 of this thread - \|/Doubts & Discussions about Lord Shiva Part-2\|/

Do the Tridevs get mentioned in the Vedas? B'cos I doubt that Indra would be depicted there as superior to them, if they were. I doubt that they would, b'cos some of the stories, such as the Matsya avatar in Vishnupurana, or the killing of Durgam in DSS, have the ownership of the Vedas as the bones of contention b/w the warring parties, so it would be really unusual, if not impossible, for the glory of the Tridevs to be described there.

In this serial, he is shown as insecure due to a curse that he received from Rati, after he sent Kama on that fateful mission to disrupt Mahadev's tapasya and get him to seduce Parvati. But in reality, no such curse happened - Rati was forlorn and going to take Agnisamadhi when an akashvani persuaded her not to, since she'd get back Kama one day. Two yugas later, she got him back as Pradhyumna.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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vrish this comment is wrt ur previous post not the current one.

i agree devaraj was insecure and got miffed when vrindavan ppl stopped worshipping him and he wanted his son arjun to win and not karna. all this is fine.

but what i meant was being a devaraj the king of all gods these attributes such as "getting miffed" or jealous or being insecure or eyeing other women(ahalya for ex) dont suit him. these are grave sins i feel.

especially disguising as gautam rishi and fooling ahalya is a grave sin. and "getting miffed" if ppl stop worshipping him. how can he force ppl to worship him? its our personal take whom we want to worship and whom we dont. for this if u try to kill people wont it be a grave sin?

the king of gods is expected to following the path of dharma i.e righteousness, truth and wisdom. while here devaraj himself commits so many sins(wrt vrindavan ahalya episodes im saying)
does it suit the title of devaraj?

although i agree with thae fact that in dkdm indra is being portrayed as some -ve char of a saas bahu drama to add masla to the show. i dont think devaraj could stoop that low(wrt brainwashing backstabbing taunting and other stuff thats shown) which may not be true

but he did commit sins which are unforgivable.
Edited by itstimetospeak - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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It is said...

The forces depicted in Vedas, like Indra, Varuna, Vaayu, Agni and so on are some among the innumerable entities/energies in the universe, each representing particular powers.

Example, Varuna represents the power of rain; Agni represents the power of fire and so on. It may lead to wrong conclusions if they are understood as individual Gods. God representing the source of all energies can be only one and that too holistic. Each of such forces have good and bad aspects. For example, a fire under control gives multifarious benefits. Uncontrolled fire causes great losses.

In the same way, Indra(King of Devatas) , a force that controls all forces giving raise to atmospheric seasonal variation and functional variations, is good when the power of that force is harnessed properly. If the power is not harnessed properly, then it causes havoc and is bad.

This is how these forces will have to be looked at and Indra is no exception to this general rule.

Taking even the energies in humans, if they are harnessed properly and judiciously, then it is beneficial to humanity and if not detrimental to humanity.

Indra also represents mind in our body.Is mind good or bad???



Edited by SRUJAconscience - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: SRUJAconscience


It is said...

The forces depicted in Vedas, like Indra, Varuna, Vaayu, Agni and so on are some among the innumerable entities/energies in the universe, each representing particular powers.

Example, Varuna represents the power of rain; Agni represents the power of fire and so on. It may lead to wrong conclusions if they are understood as individual Gods. God representing the source of all energies can be only one and that too holistic. Each of such forces have good and bad aspects. For example, a fire under control gives multifarious benefits. Uncontrolled fire causes great losses.

In the same way, Indra(King of Devatas) , a force that controls all forces giving raise to atmospheric seasonal variation and functional variations, is good when the power of that force is harnessed properly. If the power is not harnessed properly, then it causes havoc and is bad.

This is how these forces will have to be looked at and Indra is no exception to this general rule.

Taking even the energies in humans, if they are harnessed properly and judiciously, then it is beneficial to humanity and if not detrimental to humanity.

Indra also represents mind in our body.Is mind good or bad???





This is a beautiful thought dear. agni vayu varun and indra may be forces we actually dont now. love your thought. but then wasnt there any person called indra or u mean to say its only a force?
especially the description of agni. fire under control has numerous benefits while uncontrolled fire can even raze down an entire forest. love this thoughtšŸ‘

so does it mean whats shown in DKDM about indra (what i mentioned in the original post) is only to add spice to the show?
Edited by itstimetospeak - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: itstimetospeak



This is a beautiful thought dear. agni vayu varun and indra may be forces we actually dont now. love your thought. but then wasnt there any person called indra or u mean to say its only a force?
especially the description of agni. fire under control has numerous benefits while uncontrolled fire can even raze down an entire forest. love this thoughtšŸ‘

so does it mean whats shown in DKDM about indra (what i mentioned in the original post) is only to add spice to the show?


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Posted: 12 years ago
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I agree with SRUJAconscience that the stories found in the puranas could all be allegorical and may be have abstract and deeper meanings. When it is said that the devas reside in heaven it may refer to atmospheric phenomena involving the five elements. These stories are told to create awareness about the importance of nature and its elements and to protect and preserve them for posterity. Scholars(read sages) presented these ideas in the form of stories since laymen cannot understand the science behind them and if they start taking science classes it would have neither been understood nor been followed.

For instance, a verse from Rigveda refers to Raahu as 'Svarbhaanu' and says that when he engulfed the Sun by his shadow, the people were stunned. The word 'Svarbhaanu' can be split as 'Svaha'+'Bhaanu', which means 'Self' and 'the Sun', meaning that the eclipse is caused by none other than the Sun himself and Raahu is said to be the shadow-planet (Chaaya Graham). Shadows can be perceived only through light and Sun is the source of light. When Moon obstructs the optical path of the Sun's rays from reaching the earth, 'Raahu' is created and perceived through Sun's rays. The most interesting part is that the loci of this shadow can be visualised as an enormous snake 'swallowing' the Sun. Likewise each metaphor can be explained. Even Shiva's cosmic dance explains the various levels of manifestations of harmony in nature as it refers to the rhythmic energy dance of subatomic particles and conquering 'Apasmar' is the reference to getting rid of ignorance and getting enlightenment by meditation.

Indra's battle with Vritra is also has been explained by some environmental research scholars thus:
Vritra could be a huge whirl of dense clouds laden to the brim with saturated moisture, encompassing the mountainous regions, freezing all the surface water resources and preventing rainfall and so there was no clear weather and the region became devoid of solar radiation, for months together. The inhabitants residing at the foot-hills depended on water from rivers like the Ganga, Yamuna, Saraswathi, etc., which originate from melting of the Himalayan glaciers. If there was no insulation and the temperatures drop to sub-zero temperatures, the inhabitants of the region would not be able to survive without water for drinking, cooking,etc. They cannot do their sacrificial rites also because Sun is not directly visible and sacrificial fire cannot be lit in the altar due to freezing temperatures. So it could mean Vritra tortured the sages by destroying their yagnas. But Indra, the mighty thunder cloud used a weapon made of foam drawn from the sea and killed Vritra, which could mean that the dense 'Vritra' clouds were dispersed by the formation of thunder storm 'Indra' clouds, which originated from the sea due to evaporation by the Sun, providing the required condensation nuclei to the Vritra clouds, facilitating them to produce precipitation. Thus Indra, aided by Vishnu (in this case the name Vishnu may refer to the Sun, who is sometimes referred to as SuryaNarayana) provided the requisite condensation nuclei (sea-foam weapon) and required temperature to melt the thickly frozen moisture accumulated in those Vritra clouds by means of their thunder bolt (vajrayudam) and effected rainfall which melted the frozen glaciers and released the rivers for the suffering humans.

Thus there are many interesting interpretations to various events described in the scriptures, but it will have more impact only if told in the form of such stories. Indra is also referred as mind in charge of indriyas in each individual as SRUJAconscience has said and there are many hidden meanings in our scriptures, but we are unaware of them. So I feel we cannot sit in judgement of who is wrong or who is right without understanding the hidden meanings and symbolisms and only hope that those energies which benefit the universe like Rain, Sun, Moon, Agni, Vayu, Varuna, etc. are good for mankind and those that disrupt these energies thus causing suffering to us are referred to as asuras.

Sorry for the long post 😊

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Posted: 12 years ago
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thanks for sharing this wonderful piece of information dear. yes i agree that there are many hidden meanings in our scriptures.

infact all our scriptures and traditions that we follow have a scientific basis. our ancestors were truly intelligent. but the sages perhaps couldnt convey the same to the masses so they wrote it in form of stories.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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^^Thanks for sharing this good information here😊

From the question...

In ramayana he tricked poor ahalya by dsguising as gautam rishi and poor lady had to remain as a rock for so many years.

Gautama was a great sage with Indriya nigraha.But his wife Ahalya had divertions and disturbances within her mind.(Refer Valmiki Ramayan-BalaKand)

The devas are compared to the higher realms/parts (heavens) of our brain/mind. Asuras to the Sense organs/lower worlds.(Naturally sense organs run for material objects and oppose the experience of inner self).Though, devas are considered elite, our parts of our brain/mind (speech, memory, intellect ) etc. can also run wild when we are endowed in arrogance,desires and ego.So, Indra(mind) must be challenged when it gets lost in ego.Indra is said to be a thousand eyed person this signifies mind's tendency to venture into everything before it.

In a Vedic Marriage there is only Vivaah.There is no word Divorce and there are no hymns for this,there is no question of betraying or deserting your life partner.Gautama being Ahalya's Husband,must help her in purifying her mind.So he cursed her to become stone,here he refers to the mind,this means steady your mind without any wavering.Infact it was a boon for her to make her mind solid.He asked her to do penance like this.He said "when your mind is cleansed you will feel the presence(attain Self-Realization) of the Supreme(Rama).I will come then and receive you."And he did so!

He even wanted to destroy rishi vishwamitra's tapasya so he sent apsara's to break his penance.

He does this for everyone doing Tapasya.Right!It is said Indra due to fear of losing his position sends Apsaras to break a penance.What is 'position' here?Mind's tendency to explore things and enjoy them.One sitting in penance with a concentrated mind is a great effort,but still the mind doesn't like to be steady it keeps testing the person,by taking up some subject (apsaras) which paves way for thoughts.

In Krishna Leela he was angry that ppl stopped worshipping him so he thought of destroying vrindavan n its innocent ppl by relentlessly causing rain (thats when lord krishna lifted govardhan parvat)

In the SrimadBhagavatha story of Krishna lifting Govardhan,Indra can be considered as a force of nature.


Edited by SRUJAconscience - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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The deeper meanings posted are really good!
They make lot of sense,thanks for sharing them here😳

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