Chhodi hui ya doosri - is woman not good enough?

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Posted: 12 years ago
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There were no winners in yesterday's episode - not Shireen nor Dilshaad nor Razia nor Haseena nor womankind. With the language they used to demean one another "chhodi gayi" and "doosri" they basically managed to undermine the status of women everywhere.
The man behind it all, as usual, got away scot-free. But the women dishonoured themselves. Their thinking is wrong, not just flawed, but morally wrong. By uttering and reacting to those insults they gave further credibility to those who see women as a man's property. They supported the view of parts of the society that women have no identity or standing of their own minus men.
This flawed view is despite the very real fact that Dilshaad has visibly achieved so much in her life on her own. She was the breadwinner of her family for seventeen years, and brought up two children successfully. That is no small achievement.
And inspite of her "second wife" insecurity, no doubt kept festering by Raashid's emotional unavailability and Razia's taunts, Shireen has achieved the love and trust of her children. That is no mean achievement either.
But instead of celebrating their meaningful lives, they, Razia and Haseena, and all the women and men who did not intervene in the fight yesterday, continue to see themselves, their achievements and the achievements of women in general as secondary to their status as wife or ex-wife. Dilshaad did not deign to accord the insult to her as "wife" with any response. That was wrong. The CVs should have found a way for her to rise above patriarchial labels and stress her achievements. But perhaps they thought, it would have alienated a largely home-maker audience. They must have also assumed that women can not celebrate the achievements of other women in any other sphere without feeling threatened. Very divisive thinking, if that is true! Perhaps it wasn't dramatic enough and no doubt such a response from Dilshaad would not move the plot of the serial forward.
Whatever the consideration, by allowing those insults to be uttered and not negated immediately, the CVs have added their voice to the regressive view that a woman's successes must be relative to her acceptance or rejection by a man. The damage that is inflicted by reinforcing this view of women as a function of men is insidious, but all the more enduring for it.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Well said! I totally agree with you!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Yes, it would have been better if dilshaad had uttered a word or two about how they could manage without anyone and how Asad is a self made man and incomparable with Ayaan. I would have liked it more.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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True...but if Dilshaad had not pointed out that Shireen was the other woman in Rashid's life, her own position in the scene could not have been lifted. Moreover, she has the right to say that after listening to such foul language by Shireen...It was Shireen who broke their home...no doubt Rashid is to be blamed equally...bt Shireen knew that Rashid was married and still she married the guy...not only that, she forced him to stay away from Dilshaad and the kids Asad and Najma... While shireen's kids got all the luxuries of the world...poor Dilshaad literally had to struggle to survive...and the entire burden also fell on Asad's shoulders at a young age... despite bearing all the pain for 17 year...facing all the trials and tribulations without complaining to Rashid or blaming Shireen...if this is what she gets in return, then she was right to call Shireen the other woman...After all Shireen was the culprit of damaging their lives and now maligning Dilshaad's reputation... She deserved it...!!😡

I salute the writers who wrote Dilshaad's response so brilliantly and Shalini Kapoor for delivering the dialogues so magnificently...! 👏
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Just shows that the saying "woman is the only woman's rival" is very true. I didn't feel bad at what Dilshaad said at all. She has listened to enough all these 17 years.
I used to feel sorry for Shireen because she so dumb. But not anymore.

She had smartness to stop Ayaan from meeting Asad because of her insecurities.
She is the same person who was ready to let it go and make Ayaan request Asad to back off when Rashid was in prison.
She is the same person who went to Dilshaad asking for help for Rashid.
Now she is the same person who is blaming Dilshaad for whatever happened at the engagement.

If she were so stupid, she wouldn't manipulate Ayaan based on her necessity. When a woman becomes a mother, a responsibility comes with it. She failed in that responsibility altogether because she herself is putting them into the hands of evil Razia. Don't get me wrong, however seedhi sadhi some person is, when they are dumb enough to harm others, actions are their responsibility. Dilshaad didn't even start an argument. Even when started, she tried to end it move away with respect. The whole pairomein gulati marna was done by Shireen. I stand by every word that Dilshaad told today.

What ma ki baddua when she failed as a mother. It has no effect.

Just My POV.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: rits08

True...but if Dilshaad had not pointed out that Shireen was the other woman in Rashid's life, her own position in the scene could not have been lifted. Moreover, she has the right to say that after listening to such foul language by Shireen...It was Shireen who broke their home...no doubt Rashid is to be blamed equally...bt Shireen knew that Rashid was married and still she married the guy...not only that, she forced him to stay away from Dilshaad and the kids Asad and Najma... While shireen's kids got all the luxuries of the world...poor Dilshaad literally had to struggle to survive...and the entire burden also fell on Asad's shoulders at a young age... despite bearing all the pain for 17 year...facing all the trials and tribulations without complaining to Rashid or blaming Shireen...if this is what she gets in return, then she was right to call Shireen the other woman...After all Shireen was the culprit of damaging their lives and now maligning Dilshaad's reputation... She deserved it...!!😡


I salute the writers who wrote Dilshaad's response so brilliantly and Shalini Kapoor for delivering the dialogues so magnificently...! 👏

I don't know about the scene being 'lifted', but yes once Shireen embarked on the public humiliation of Dilshaad (and Shireen was wrong to do it), Dilshaad had almost no choice. She could not back down without losing face, as I've previously said in another post. And, as I've also said, Dilshaad was magnificent. At one point I thought Shalini, with her glittering eyes and red hair, would burst into flame - so enraged was she!!
Dilshaad may have won some small measure of satisfaction by calling Shireen a "doosri aurat", but this post is about the cost of the mutual belittling and its larger implications. It is also about Shireen and Dilshaad not celebrating their successful lives, but seeking to define themselves in the shadow of, and as belonging (or not) to a man.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Champa2012

Just shows that the saying "woman is the only woman's rival" is very true. I didn't feel bad at what Dilshaad said at all. She has listened to enough all these 17 years.
I used to feel sorry for Shireen because she so dumb. But not anymore.

She had smartness to stop Ayaan from meeting Asad because of her insecurities.
She is the same person who was ready to let it go and make Ayaan request Asad to back off when Rashid was in prison.
She is the same person who went to Dilshaad asking for help for Rashid.
Now she is the same person who is blaming Dilshaad for whatever happened at the engagement.

If she were so stupid, she wouldn't manipulate Ayaan based on her necessity. When a woman becomes a mother, a responsibility comes with it. She failed in that responsibility altogether because she herself is putting them into the hands of evil Razia. Don't get me wrong, however seedhi sadhi some person is, when they are dumb enough to harm others, actions are their responsibility. Dilshaad didn't even start an argument. Even when started, she tried to end it move away with respect. The whole pairomein gulati marna was done by Shireen. I stand by every word that Dilshaad told today.

What ma ki baddua when she failed as a mother. It has no effect.

Just My POV.

It is so sad that women feel the need to pull other women down (harassing, repressing, and generally undermining) when they could be concentrating their energies on achieving an equally good quality of and status in life as men.
Shireen was wrong to reiterate Haseena's insult. Her belief in the power of "chhodi hui aurat" as an insult in itself shows how she defines herself - as Raashid's legally-married wife, never mind the quality of that relationship. It was testimony to her low own self-esteem. And Dilshaad unerringly found her soft spot when she called her the "doosri aurat", unable to replace Dilshaad in Raashid's affections.
But in defining themselves as wife or ex-wife of - both women did themselves and womankind a disfavour. There is much more to both of them than just being wives. Shireen has the love of her children, which is a big achievement, ask Raashid whose son hates him. Is Shireen a good mother or not? Is another woman a good wife or not, or yet another a good sister, daughter, sister-in-law...these judgement calls are what divide woman from woman, and undermine the community as a whole.
Basically, I think that women should concentrate on and celebrate what they have achieved, rather than undermine each other and the entire community.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: viya.mallik4eva

Yes, it would have been better if dilshaad had uttered a word or two about how they could manage without anyone and how Asad is a self made man and incomparable with Ayaan. I would have liked it more.

Yes, I wish the CVs had allowed Dilshaad to big herself and her children up rather than talk Shireen down.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I disagree with you, actually.

For me that one dialoguethat Dilshad SPAT OUT at Rashid was more than suficient.

"Ab mujhe pata chalta hai aap ka beta aap se itna nafrath kyun karta hai"...
and the chooha look Rashid gave!👏

Summed it all up!

On women rising above the 'address': I think they stuck to the culture.
Dilshad lecturing about her achievements- just not like her- she does not have to prove anything to anyone...the whole world can see what her achievements are. She does not have to trumpet it around. When you are truly great, you play down your achievemnts and leave all the 'big talk' to the 'small' people...😉
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: chicksoup

I disagree with you, actually.


For me that one dialoguethat Dilshad SPAT OUT at Rashid was more than suficient.

"Ab mujhe pata chalta hai aap ka beta aap se itna nafrath kyun karta hai"...
and the chooha look Rashid gave!👏

Summed it all up!

On women rising above the 'address': I think they stuck to the culture.
Dilshad lecturing about her achievements- just not like her- she does not have to prove anything to anyone...the whole world can see what her achievements are. She does not have to trumpet it around. When you are truly great, you play down your achievemnts and leave all the 'big talk' to the 'small' people...😉

Incidentally, I don't have any issue with Dilshaad's comment to Raashid. But she didn't need to look to Raashid for support or to end the scene. Dilshaad is a very capable woman, more than capable enough of dealing with the scene herself, as she subsequently proved.
About it not being like Dilshaad to big up her achievements, well that's where I take issue with the CVs. There are plenty of ways in which if they had wanted they could have brought in that aspect of Dilshaad's successful life, while keeping in character. They chose not to. And I blame them for their narrow, callous thinking. They have achieved what they wanted to in the scene, but at what cost?

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