Episode 255 Discussion: 25th April 2013 - Page 9

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Posted: 12 years ago
#81

Originally posted by: cardio21



I never wanted Madhu to forgive RK.. But CVs draw a bigger line with Bhai..lemme put it this way, my hatred for him beats my disgust for RK n his actions..

Second you again. I want this to be fight between RK and Madhu and not to be a Madhu's fight to free herself from evil husband to go with the Godly-Gangster.
If Madhu really knows RK then why can't she see his love and try to reform him? If she can go on to protect Sultan from Cops/ Bhujang etc without even knowing an ounce about how Sultan is. Why not that same treatment for RK. Buy yeah her teaching timelines are over for RK now and time for a new student Sultan.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#82

Originally posted by: 0-SD-0


in our world = YES
in MB world = Whatever MB decides.

She decided only two things
  • Villain is RK's EGO.. Villain is NOT Sultan
  • Hero is RK with HEART - WHO HAS NOT MADE ENTRY YET.
  • Heroine is Madhu


hahaha! here's my thot..

hero-madhu
heroine-sultan
villian-RK
now c what was told to us...heroine(sultan) ko hero(madhu) ke paas aana hi padta hai...aur hero(madhu) hi villian(RK) ko maarta hai! fits naa?🤣


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Posted: 12 years ago
#83

Originally posted by: MarathiMulgi

What are we mourning today and why?

Is it the end of the innocence? But it was already over on the unwedding night.
Is it the fact that Madhu is stepping down from her pedestal - But then she was pushed by the right kameena

Why do we not want her to take her revenge/teach lesson to RK plan? She is a mere mortal after all. Is that because of her penchant to lecture everyone on letting go and move ahead? She is not practicing what she was preaching? Is that what we are upset about? Are we disgusted with her Hippocracy? Will that bring Madhu to RK's level? - nah, I doubt it. She needs many more heartbreaks to come to RK's level. Her revenge is a child's play compared to RK's.

It is easy to preach that complete forgiveness is the best revenge but difficult to practice. I agree revenge for revenge is a vicious cycle with no end in sight but sometimes it is necessary for such presumably golden hearted person to color outside of the lines to see what can be the outcome.


I want Madhu to execute this whatever she is planning or trying to plan. That will give her satisfaction that she tried to avenge her hurt (maybe the plan bombs completely or will suceed beyond her imagination). This is needed to move the story ahead. Leaving her holding on to her hurt is an unfinished business. Maybe there are better, more effective ways to execute this plan but this is what she chooses based on her limited knowledge, imagination/skill or alloted time needed to come up with the plan. Her execution style is going to be far different than RK's and is liable to be either full of holes and/or naivity.

She is human after all and bound to make mistakes on her journey of life. We cannot force her to hold onto her moral compass come what may.

As zoya and other writers here said, it is a lesson to her that she is not living in an ideal world and needs to learn how to navigate harsh realities of the world and take ownership of your own actions - both good and bad.

What we absolutely forbid her after this is to stop lecturing others what she cannot practice herself. I will give you that.

What is even more imporatnt is what is the repucurssion of the execution of this plan. What new mode story takes. That depends on RK's reaction to Madhu's plan.


Thank you MM. Mirrored my thoughts after the episode. I was wondering myself, why was i so upset? You said it all.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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As Rakshas (RK) already badnaam and abusive person who don't know how to respect women n relations... Madhu n Mailik's already hate him to CORE.

Padmini is okey with Madhu 'Teach RK a lesson' mission. She also knows Sultan very well (really ?) and admire him (for what I still don't know). Like daughter like mother...whatever Sultan is...its because of circumstances and also 'issme Aryan ki koi galti nahi hai'.

There is no need for Sultan to go to jail (I don't know if Madhu n Padmini considers him as a criminal..). This guys keeps guns with him..showcase it to Madhu n Padmini many times..And Madhu seen him killing his enemies n in chawal whole chawl sees how n enemies fight with guns)...But there is BIG reason for his mis-deeds to let go...Issme Aryan ki koi galti nahi hain.

Paddo already knows Madhu meets Sultan n Aryan (No objection at all). The point is...knowing these mother-daughter, suppose one fine day Sultan goes to Padmini and ask her Madhu's hand (i mean expresses wish to get married to Madhu)...Padmini will act very calm n then she will ask Madhu her wish, also convince her how Sultan is perfect for her and then Madhu will node yes (as in Mukund N RK's case only after Padmini's push she went further).

I don't think Padmini or Madhu ever give a though about Sultan's business n his occupation. Even they will not consider him as a criminal underworld DON...Instead they will compare him with RK and come to conclusion that Sultan is much much better than RK n very much gentlemen and perfect match for Madhu.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#85

Originally posted by: i-me-myself

As Rakshas (RK) already badnaam and abusive person who don't know how to respect women n relations... Madhu n Mailik's already hate him to CORE.

Padmini is okey with Madhu 'Teach RK a lesson' mission. She also knows Sultan very well (really ?) and admire him (for what I still don't know). Like daughter like mother...whatever Sultan is...its because of circumstances and also 'issme Aryan ki koi galti nahi hai'.

There is no need for Sultan to go to jail (I don't know if Madhu n Padmini considers him as a criminal..). This guys keeps guns with him..showcase it to Madhu n Padmini many times..And Madhu seen him killing his enemies n in chawal whole chawl sees how n enemies fight with guns)...But there is BIG reason for his mis-deeds to let go...Issme Aryan ki koi galti nahi hain.

Paddo already knows Madhu meets Sultan n Aryan (No objection at all). The point is...knowing these mother-daughter, suppose one fine day Sultan goes to Padmini and ask her Madhu's hand (i mean expresses wish to get married to Madhu)...Padmini will act very calm n then she will ask Madhu her wish, also convince her how Sultan is perfect for her and then Madhu will node yes (as in Mukund N RK's case only after Padmini's push she went further).

I don't think Padmini or Madhu ever give a though about Sultan's business n his occupation. Even they will not consider him as a criminal underworld DON...Instead they will compare him with RK and come to conclusion that Sultan is much much better than RK n very much gentlemen and perfect match for Madhu.


I said this long time back that Padmini will have no second thoughts asking Madhu to get married to Sultan. I am not joking. I am serious.

CVs have cleverly positioned/brought the story to where it was in July.

See in Mukund track, also RK was villain and Mukund was the reason why Madhu was against RK.

Now in Sultan track also RK is Villain and Sultan is the reason why Madhu is against RK.

The PH is doing what it previously wanted to execute through this angle. Probably the heroine track will come up now as RK sees how Madhu is capable of acting, wearing gowns, etc etc.

Sorry I have speculated based on the underlying logic and plots that are visible in current presentation.

Now in real sense Nautanki Films and Sourabh Tewari will be going through Test of Success ...with viewers. This is their second chance, second innings. Previously they were stopped in execution. Now will they succeed ?

Because...seriously in July - August...if Madhu had not married RK, and she was falling in love with Mukund, I was thinking RK and Madhu will have affair like "Film Industry mein Hota Hai"...and that's how the heroine track also will start. Otherwise I had no idea, how RK was going to pull Madhu to become an actress.

So this is really the story to see for me now,

Sorry guys...I am really not a Rishbala Fan. And I always was like this is a stop gap arrangement from the main story. For me RK and Madhu as Hero-Heroine in Movie were going to be the Couple. So ...that's why I have this detachment from them.

I know last time I tried to predict starting of Heroine Track for Madhu end of February and March. I was stumped through revenge track of unwedding. But then if I see it...like I was saying to my friends previously, story is essentially going back to JULY period...these days it is really looking to me like that July...difference being Mukund is now replaced by Sultan.

I think like the way Madhu sends Superstar to jail in July, Madhu will cause something like that to RK the Superstar here...and story will start off again.

RK was deadly when he came back from Jail. Wish the PH had never sidetracked. We would have known, how Madhu gets pulled by Superstar to become actor.



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Posted: 12 years ago
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My musings from Madhu's pov...😛😊

What's the problem with these men...they come barging in to my life when ever and however they wish...some in the name of protecting me,some in the name of possessing me...neighther am I a delicate flower nor an exquisite toy...another (bittuji) says I am going wrong in understanding him...'understanding' a strange word it is..,,the more you do that..even more they expect...you always fall short of underatanding these men...This understanding is what I did most in my brief married life...understood his pain...heard its quite rumblings hidden behind his loud talk...was ready to leave all so as to bring him back to love,to trust,to forgiveness and to peace...but,what a fool am I while I thought I was managing him he was playing me all along...playing with the same love,trust,my forgiveness/patience/perseverance/forbearance...my soul !!...I burned that day not in the fire of his revenge but,in the heat of my lost dignity...the dignity which I lost in a mere petty nock jhock
that is all what it was to him or rather what he wants it to be...he wants me now,needs me now...says he would cut himself if I don't stay with him...he played all the charms from singing to dancing...the same charm which cast a spell on me before...so enchanting that she failed to see the evil lurking behind...Today I heard a story...a story where a hero and a villain in their own wishes and pursuits
wanted to kill each other in the name of the Heroine... who is made a puppet... who could be pulled,pushed,deceived,protected,loved irrespective of what she wants or not wants...he does love me in a way incomprehensible to any...I can feel that...but,this pain which seem to engulf me is as true and fathomless as his love or mine...I decided enough of enduring, staying mute...I would write the climax not the hero nor the villain..I am not his puppet whose actions he could dictate..I am free to love him,to hate him or to punish/teach him... nevertheless One thing he said is true...this is our story his and mine but,whose name is it on the third...??... 'love','deceit' or 'pain'.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: _charu_

TT, we cannot forget that he's a gangster because he IS a gangster ! period ! why imagine scenarios where he's somebody else and hence the friendship is justified?


Exactly, the fact that he is a gangster should have been a deal breaker and there should have been no romantic potential at all.
But this is not the case in the show, apparently Madhu and Padmini have a blind spot in this direction. Which is why, for a moment I was trying to do the same.
And it made me realize two things- that the makers really want to sell Sultan's other 'virtues' and that if we don't put on blinders too, we won't be able to discuss anything further in this regard. We'll be stuck at 'He's a gangster'.
This makes me wonder sometimes as to why they made Sultan a gangster. If he had been a hard working widower neighbour in the chawl with a son (and a heart of gold), the romantic potential would have made us more antsy.
But they have already exhausted the 'boy next door' idea with Mukund, so I guess they wanted to go for something different.
And since the hero always gets the heroine in the end, I'm hoping that Sultan being a gangster eventually does become the deal breaker because they're trying very hard to eliminate all other reasons.



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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: ennishet

Shri, quoting your post from the media thread:



What do you think Madhu is doing now after yesterday's episode? Is it revenge or teaching a lesson? From what I saw yesterday, it is full on revenge and not a lesson ... and that too to save whom? Sultan!

Teaching a lesson is something positive as in she would have been trying to improve something in RK. Revenge means destruction. Has Madhu changed so much suddenly that she doesn't give a damn to what happens to RK? She very well knows the pain of heartbreak and is planning to inflict the same on RK. She doesn't have any doubts, there was pure determination on her face yesterday while talking to Padmini.

For a person preaching 'forget the past and learn to forgive', she doesn't seem to be practicing what she preached. If her concern was Sultan, she could have very well neutralized the threat by being truly with RK and coaxing him as she did many times before the unwedding. RK would surely have done as per her wishes if her 'giving a second chance to their marriage' effort was true and genuine.


Ennishet,

I had read your post and was trying to answer you when I saw IMM's post on Page 11 of this EDT. It became easy then. I am quoting entire portion so that our mutual context towards the matter is easily tracked.

I believe, there is no moral of the story at this point for anyone. Its more of a logical or adaptive transition of viewer mindset from current expectations to July Period of the story for writers.

Here I have responded.


And also added the same into Media Article Thread on Page 119 with more thoughts.

To me there is no point us discussing the moral propriety of revenge. CVs needed to establish the show, make Madhu and RK's obsession for each other acceptable and with reason and that done...are going to wherever the show was supposed to go,

In the end, Madhu copies RK and RK moulds her like he wants...and we have their signature pose on the stage.

This morning I get no other idea as clear as this.

I am resting here.

Cheers.
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