Tanaaz, Bakhtiyaar score low! article - Page 5

Originally posted by: Maya_M

It is not about being happy at someone's misery. This forum is to air our opinion about this program and contestants participating in it. We praise when they do better and we criticize when they falter. Since I have good knowledge of classical dance I can't stand to see someone making a mockery of semi-classical/classical dance. If you can't do it then don't try it. Manav-Shweta were👏. Bhaktyaar was nowhere near Manav's body language. Constructive criticism should be taken in that sipirt.😛

I'm going to have to disagree with you here, any of onehas ever attempted any thing in their lives knows that no knowledge comes without trial and error, no experience comes without practice..since you have knowledge of dance I think this would appeal to you the most, since you would know what kind of hard work it is to learn, to synchronize, to be one w/ the music and finally to present a cohesive piece. if we shall go by your saying then I don't think this show or others like it(JDJ for example) would exist because it displays a graph of performances..and it we also go by your saying if you don't know it don't try it..some of the contestants still on this show shouldnt be on it since they obviously don't know how to dance but they are still "trying" --the question is whether they are trying hard enough..and we have 2 jodis that are consistently doing great and sweating it all the time, 1 jodi that had raised their standard and realised that hard work is needed to survive in this competion..and the rest well the less said the better. but anyhow their last performance stood for itself and showed how well they can take 'constructive criticism' ..realizing competition is never a bad thing..if you've ever competed it gives you the urge to do better and work harder..and definetly you can see it on TB's faces that they're not just chilling sitting there and not worrying abt others' marks , they are indeed worried by the merits of the other great dancers on stage..wanting to diversify their act shouldnt be put down as they're only good at one thing..because the nature of the performances itself was versatille and they scored high marks in every performance..romance, etc..now if they have something they need to work on it only shows them the way to becoming better and full rounded dancers..but it doesnt take away from their achievements.

Originally posted by: xaneroyxx

I'm going to have to disagree with you here, any of onehas ever attempted any thing in their lives knows that no knowledge comes without trial and error, no experience comes without practice..since you have knowledge of dance I think this would appeal to you the most, since you would know what kind of hard work it is to learn, to synchronize, to be one w/ the music and finally to present a cohesive piece. if we shall go by your saying then I don't think this show or others like it(JDJ for example) would exist because it displays a graph of performances..and it we also go by your saying if you don't know it don't try it..some of the contestants still on this show shouldnt be on it since they obviously don't know how to dance but they are still "trying" --the question is whether they are trying hard enough..and we have 2 jodis that are consistently doing great and sweating it all the time, 1 jodi that had raised their standard and realised that hard work is needed to survive in this competion..and the rest well the less said the better. but anyhow their last performance stood for itself and showed how well they can take 'constructive criticism' ..realizing competition is never a bad thing..if you've ever competed it gives you the urge to do better and work harder..and definetly you can see it on TB's faces that they're not just chilling sitting there and not worrying abt others' marks , they are indeed worried by the merits of the other great dancers on stage..wanting to diversify their act shouldnt be put down as they're only good at one thing..because the nature of the performances itself was versatille and they scored high marks in every performance..romance, etc..now if they have something they need to work on it only shows them the way to becoming better and full rounded dancers..but it doesnt take away from their achievements.

I like the way you put you point and appreciate your rebuttal. It is always nice to see different viewpoint. I agree that the point you highlighted in my post came across as 'quit it if you can't do it'. I should have been clearer. What I meant was it was very obvious that Bhaktyaar-Tanaz were not getting it right and their body and expressions were not suited for a semi-classical/classical dance. They should have tried it and when they were not getting it right then could have opted for something better in which they are good at or they should have simply gone with the song which has tapori kind of steps. I know they were trying to be different but at this crucial juncture experimentation could prove fatal. I might have felt offended because I dislike it when an art form becomes a mockery. Perhaps they thought they were getting it right and failed to see what some of us and judges saw. It was their choreographer's call.

experimentation could prove fatal..but at the same time being monotonous brings back 'jumping jack' comments..this is why the audience are hard to please..and people do have personal preferences..when they 'experimented' with the instrumental song..it wasn't pretty much an invention the following week when HT followed in their steps and added the jhatka with the blindfold moves..
I totally agree with you in one thing though, that its totally up to the choreographer to shape the performance..whether to tone it down, or refine the movements and align it to the style and rythm of the song. So for sure maybe this wasn't their luckiest round..but I wouldn't write them off classical yet..I have a feeling they'll come back with a bang.

Originally posted by: xaneroyxx

experimentation could prove fatal..but at the same time being monotonous brings back 'jumping jack' comments..this is why the audience are hard to please..and people do have personal preferences..when they 'experimented' with the instrumental song..it wasn't pretty much an invention the following week when HT followed in their steps and added the jhatka with the blindfold moves..
I totally agree with you in one thing though, that its totally up to the choreographer to shape the performance..whether to tone it down, or refine the movements and align it to the style and rythm of the song. So for sure maybe this wasn't their luckiest round..but I wouldn't write them off classical yet..I have a feeling they'll come back with a bang.

Hope to see that.

Originally posted by: xaneroyxx

There's something really attractive about people who work really hard and do a good job..is that whenever they really succeed and do an amaxing job..you find a popoulus cheering for them and praising them all kinds..but when they falter..the same crowd pounces on them like hungry hawks. however, Varun and Raj were consistently high scorers last year..they did an amaxing job..until one day they messed up..got really bad comments from the judges..raj said everyone has a bad day..its a given..one can aim at perfection but they have to start by mastering their art..so Bakhtiyar is a choroegrapher is a specific type of dance and displayed great merit this could only prove scope for improvement in other styles as well..their fans should not be disheartened because they never took their scores for granted..and they are among the few that really sweat it and it shows on stage "according to the professionals" and the public opinion..their last performance was by no means humiliating or demeaning to others..it was classy and funny..taken in good humor by all..as we all read in articles posted by fellow members that pre-production the channel has approved of their act prior to..so if there was anything demeaning about it i dont think it would have aired on national tv..you gotta love or hate their spirit..everyone has a bad day..and one only learns..and lets hope they rise back to their standard.

I love their dance style.. I didnt like their performance in the last choreogrpher's round...

and this time.. the reality special did it.. if bakhtyar doesnt know what style it was he could have simply stated it as south indian..
but he said kathakali(keralite) based for a folk tamil song..

i for one would love to see them display variety in their performance and do it well too...

Id like to see them in the form they did "mahi ve".. must have been round 2 or 3 im not sure..

Maya, i agree with a point of urs...of makin a mockery of an art form...[and i got it that u didnt mean "quit if u cant do it"]

that's exactly how i feel when they do bhangra. like i dont mind it, when ppl try it with dilligence...and if they dont get it right then, i dont care...coz its like "heck they tried" but wen they dont take it srzly and DONT treat bhangra as a proper dance form...then it gets to me

like Sharad and Keerti...argh! i CRINGED wen they did their lil bhangra number...coz ive been doin bhangra all my life...and proper bhangra is different to the usual boppin up and down ppl do at parties

thats why i cant wait to watch GHT do it...coz they will perform and learn with lagan...and will not take it lightly and end up mockin the dance form

like HT...wen they did their Sardar Superman...that was HILARIOUS and it WASNT a mockery...

gettin bak to topic, i agree with the prsn b4 me...i liked TB's mahi ve performance...it was v nice :)

Their ignorance of the genre or type of classical dance per se can not be taken against them..or any of the other contestants in general. Like another member said for any dancer it might eek any one out to see these contestants attempt bharatnatyam, odissi, kuchipudi,bhangra..etc..their lack of ability to distinguish between them thereof shouldnt underestimate their ability to perform..I remember I was confused when I first learned kathak..being a non indian the names were all mixed up for me..the only jodi that have scored a decent attempt so far is manav shweta and they appealed to all the hardworking dancers by saying sorry if we weren't up to par..we know how hard it is now. Basically it is the whole point of this comeptition to bring as much variety to the stage as possible..but by no means is it a formal dancing institution that teaches the basics and fundamentals of any genre of dance..so the jodi who can pull it off survives..so we can't really criticixe their knowledge, this is not what they do in real life..we could only look forward to their performances.

Originally posted by: xaneroyxx

Their ignorance of the genre or type of classical dance per se can not be taken against them..or any of the other contestants in general. Like another member said for any dancer it might eek any one out to see these contestants attempt bharatnatyam, odissi, kuchipudi,bhangra..etc..their lack of ability to distinguish between them thereof shouldnt underestimate their ability to perform..I remember I was confused when I first learned kathak..being a non indian the names were all mixed up for me..the only jodi that have scored a decent attempt so far is manav shweta and they appealed to all the hardworking dancers by saying sorry if we weren't up to par..we know how hard it is now. Basically it is the whole point of this comeptition to bring as much variety to the stage as possible..but by no means is it a formal dancing institution that teaches the basics and fundamentals of any genre of dance..so the jodi who can pull it off survives..so we can't really criticixe their knowledge, this is not what they do in real life..we could only look forward to their performances.

you have a good style of putting forward your views..😊
yup ignorance is no sin..
but faking knowledge isnt vry acceptable...
We are going so far based on judges comments and pics..
I would like to see the dance for myself before I judge...😊what do you say

well this only proves that their not versatile dancers...

Originally posted by: caramelcj

you have a good style of putting forward your views..😊
yup ignorance is no sin..
but faking knowledge isnt vry acceptable...
We are going so far based on judges comments and pics..
I would like to see the dance for myself before I judge...😊what do you say

Thanks ..😊

Well I haven't watched the reality video but based on previous videos I haven't sensed the narcissistic attitude of the 'we know it all, we can do it all' about this jodi..and it is very true most of us on this forum go by articles and judges views..and I remember reading in one article that Bhaktiyar had said that they are in a stage where they can't be content with their 30's and just sit around and watch..I mean its obvious in every episode it does get to them when others get high marks, its competition we've seen that in all reality shows..from indian idol to saregama etc..I really don't know what they did in the regional round..maybe they attempted a medley of styles and just incorporated their energy in it which in turn wasn't taken lightly by the judges..thefore all i can say its a lesson to be learned and they could only move forward to enhance their future performances. However, what is really beautiful about this show is its not a competition that makes you or breaks you (with reference to the contestants) like indian idol, JDJ, Saregama..these contestants are already someone, somewhere and this show just gives them an added experience ..not a break into stardom, so the mere fact that all are working so hard is commendable.