Episode 227 Discussion: 23rd March 2013

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Shridevi Gaddam

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Episode 227 Discussion: 23rd March 2013

Welcome to the Episode discussion thread which we call as Viewer's and Reader's Respite. That's very apt, don't you think ? 😉. And that proves our objective.

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It helps in keeping the forum clean without much litter. People just need to fall in a habit.
We can have it like breathers at first followed by analysis.
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Today's LU from : Armu4eva

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/madhubala-ek-ishq-ek-junoon/3499344/23rd-march-short-lu-sultan-tu-kahan-madhu-yahan

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There are various other threads all over the forum. Please check out those as well. This is just one choice out of so many.
Readers are encouraged to post links of other members posts which had been "delightful read" towards analysis of episodic event/s or character analysis. It becomes an easy navigation in the myriad of posts and pages and can easily be overlooked.
The link to present day ED thread is always provided in the previous one discussed.Those who participated in previous thread can go to my posts and check the previous thread to get access to new link.

The link to Previous Episode thread if anyone wants to trace and post thoughts there. https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/madhubala-ek-ishq-ek-junoon/3497883/episode-226-discussion-22nd-march-2013

Collated EOD summary of 22nd Mar Episode discussion, if one is just reading updates and not watching the episodes. https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/78796577

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Shridevi Gaddam

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Episode 227 Discussion - EOD Summary

Sultan calls for Kaaka and Aryan to his hideout, Madhu follows to help him

Events of the Episode

Two men find Sultan washed off the water, they steal his wallet and lighter, play the lighter. Sultan starts showing signs of life. He gets up follows the men, uses his knife to threaten the two ruffians, gets back his wallet, lighter and grabs a mobile phone from them. He plays the lighter tune, closes and then reaches a safe-place for hiding. Calls up Kaaka, tells him where he is hiding, asks him and Aryan to come there as soon as possible.
As Kaaka and Aryan prepare to leave, Madhu tells Kaaka that she does not like it that Aryan's life should be risked, asks him to leave Aryan with her. Kaaka tells Madhu that Sultan wants Aryan to be there and he has to take the boy to the father. Madhu protests, but Kaaka protests more and asks her to understand the situation. Kaaka and Aryan reach Sultan and we see that Madhu has also followed them. We do not know if Madhu followed them or came along with Kaaka.
Sultan is upset and asks her why she followed his family. He gives his piece of mind that he doesn't like being lectured by her on how he raises his son and that she is no one to him, his son to pass her judgment on parenting. He also asks her to stay away when asked. Madhu is taken aback at this outburst from Sultan, but just at that point, Sultan faints and Madhu supports him.
Kaaka and Aryan get a bed ready for Sultan. Madhu is panic-stricken and she tells Kaaka that a doctor should be called for. Kaaka refuses...expressing that is not advised. Madhu is baffled at his response. Kaaka tears Sultan's shirt and says that bullet needs to be removed. He heats (sanitizes) the knife and wants to use the knife over Sultan's skin to remove the bullet. The old man is unable to do it and so he turns to Madhu and asks her to become a surgeon to remove the bullet. Episode ends

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Originally posted by: zorica

Originally posted by: zorica
Avinesh Rekhi was excellent today, we have to admit! 👏
To me this scene was amazing.

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Angeena

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Posted: 12 years ago

Aryan refuses to sleep before Sultan returns ... Such a normal reaction, made more wrenching by the fact that Sultan was laying on a deserted stretch.

Music wala lighter? The last time he used that lighter there was no music, right? I guess this all is laying the ground work for back-story development.. Most likely, the tune has some significance for Sultan or the lighter was a gift from someone special, maybe his wife or lost friend.. Either way, it's separation from him was enough to wake him from his injury caused unconsciousness.. And this lighter's emotional connect gave him the strength to terrify.

Dipali and Radhaji's scene was just a filler, but it did make Radhaji's stand a bit stronger and clearer.

Madhu was just too much when she tried to hold on to Aryan.. Was this actually because she was worried or because she has grown attached to him so much that she can't bear the separation now? She seems to be too attached to Aryan. Or maybe the fact that she saved his life makes her feel a measure of possessiveness over Aryan. But why was Kaka so insistent in taking Aryan with him? I would have thought he would like to keep Aryan away from the sight of his injured father.. But then, he maybe thought that the sight of Aryan would strengthen Sultan.

Sultan and Aryan's scene was brilliant. ⭐️ I really liked Sultan here. He never lies to Aryan, his promises to never leave Aryan (though if this was the case then he should have left the profession he was in) ... I liked this scene.

And Madhu turns up... So totally predictable.. Sultan's talk with her, his questions is something she'll ignore as the ramblings of a man in pain, of a man who isn't thinking straight .. A pity because I would have liked to hear her answers .. But, did Madhu come with Kaka and Aryan or did she follow them? Madhu's constant request to call a doctor makes me think, does she seriously not understand that Sultan is a gangster? Or was this just her shock talking?

I expected Aryan to when Kaka tried to remove the bullet. But he didn't. He is a strong boy. And then Kaka turns to Madhu and asks her to remove it.. I'm sure she'll say her hauslon se veer chant and dig out that bullet.

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ennishet

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The lighter seems to have some significance in Sultan's life as its music was enough to rouse him from unconsciousness. There is sure to be a story around it and the moment the music started playing, knew that the thieves will get their due for stealing from Sultan. Sultan took away their phone too 😆

Madhu seemed scared to send Aryan with Kaka as she detected some trouble with Sultan having gone missing for hours. She's attached to Aryan but she seemed reluctant as she was worried about Aryan's safety.

The Sultan-Aryan scene was the best today with Sultan reminding Aryan that he always keeps his promise. Poor kid, feel bad for him as he has to see his father going through such pain.

Kaka seems unable to remove the bullet so the task falls onto Madhu. I was bracing myself for her "Hauslon se veer ..." chant or worse yet that dreadful song. Thankfully we were spared today but no such respite on Monday, I'm sure. *Note to self: Be ready with cotton buds on Monday* 🥱

Don't gangsters usually have a trustworthy doctor on call for these kind of emergencies? Maybe Sultan has just arrived in the city so he doesn't have anyone to help him.
I was thinking, doesn't Sultan have a gang? Or has his people defected and joined Bhujang?

Dipali, she can never keep her mouth shut especially when it's a chance to badmouth Madhu. Good for Radhaji, she was firm today. 👏 I was hoping for some Sikky BBBing Dipali, disappointed about it.

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Shridevi Gaddam

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Madhubala : Mera Dil Nahin Maan Raha - And She Changes Sultan's Plans. What can I say ? Whom I am even to question. Hmmm. Seeing Madhu's Heart on her Sleeve is the staple drama of MEIEJ...Poor Old Man...He had to do a Namaskar to let him go. Alas! to whose advantage...None. She followed him anyways and shameless man, used her services anyways.

I felt very bad for Sultan when he finally lost his control (in his weak moments of course) and started answering Madhu in all anger...as who is she to come and decide about Aryan. I almost wanted to cry aloud. As in why this woman interferes in people's life and why she reduces them to rubble in their weak moments. Her kindness is like charity, unwanted pity. She hurts you as if with a knife she is poking all wounds. She nevers asks if you need my help. She says you need my help.

Sultan, the way he finally became defensive instead of keeping his cool around her, showed her his emotional state. It was too depressing for me. This reminded me of the bottlebreaking scene and other good moments that Madhu earlier on showed to Rishabh Kundra. It is never a healthy situation when people pity a reluctant mind...because it only breeds bitterness. I am never going to forgive Madhu for what she did to Sultan today. A bad moment happened between the two...and it is now completely upto Sultan if he wants to forgive her for reducing him to that vulnerable state in front of her...a man almost dying and yet forced to defend himself before her that he can take care of his son and she does not have any right. People will say, Sultan was being ridiculous. But sensitivity will say...Madhu's being there was uncalled for. Simply uncalled for. This is how she messed up with Rishabh Kundra. Now who likes him...He is neither the person before he met her, nor the person that he likes himself about...because unwanted kindness, unwanted feelings and yet seemingly so right...they just breed more bitterness...like the person waiting to gain strength just to strike back when opportunity comes. Never shower unwanted pity. This is what students in special schools are taught and social servicemen and women are taught...withdraw from the situation, exercise caution, act in emotional detachment and help only when needed.

Madhu continues to mess up things emotionally...I think now for the first time, I am able to say...that I cannot watch her anymore play with other people's emotions. In the name of drama...she cannot be the same character. If she is hurting those men and from a different plane...opening them up; ultimately making them hinged to her through unknown and unexplored feelings that one does not even want to dwell on...she is hurting me-.the audience; even more. She is simply breaking rules of HELPING and the Limits to show Charity.

People...do not get offended with me...nor try to advise me how it is good and all...Any given day I prefer help only when I need it...I need to ask for it...or atleast give my consent. That is my nature...if I need to feel good about it. The one given to be in my unconscious state is always a blur...creating a blank...empty state of mind...which I feel I will never have any memory of it. And memory-less existence is worse fear one can have...not knowing what I did or what happened to me.

Coming out of my emotional state

The bullet wound on the left shoulder for Sultan, just like Rishabh Kundra, was it to remind the viewers or Madhu ? Fact is Madhu did not remember even once how that guy also had a wound in same place. And as a viewer, I clearly remembered it. So am I to feel good that Madhu did nor remember or chant her Haulon se Veer hoon chant or am I to expect that it will happen in the coming episode ?

Liked how Aryan understood what's going on and how swiftly he was helping Kaaka without making a mess of his emotions. Madhu was looking the imbecile in stark contrast to Aryan.

And what a clunk ---the old man does not know how to use the knife and he needs to use Madhu the novice to use her bullet ripping skills with knives. What is ST on? High on which substance ? So he wants to justify the drama he created, wants to justify why Madhu was there...because she needs to help Sultan...because she can take up any new skill just like that. Am I going to be coerced into accepting this clunk ? I am never going to forgive the CVs for this torture.

Dipali ...The moment this snake appeared on the screen...my heart-beat went up. What's wrong with me ? Why do I get so nervous and upset looking even at the shadow of this woman ?!!

An episode that has lot of dramatic significance and growth...in emotional and build-up terms, but an unpleasant episode for my mind, for which I am never going to forgive the destiny (in story terms) and the clunk (in terms of the weave CVs used with regards to involving Madhu) it had in loads.

It will be a bad memory in my heart...that can become a pain...if I will not forget it...or write it off with reactive confrontations once Sultan is alive and kicking...there needs to be something that Sultan needs to teach himself for putting him in that kind of jeopardy where he had an old man who could not help him, where he risked his life being emotional in his principles and about his power and weak for his son, that he decided to carry his heart on his sleeve and go to Bhujang rather than go with back-ups. If he can whip himself 50 times for putting himself in this situation, I shall be happy. And after that punishment to himself, he can lecture his useless Kaaka and the ever useful Madhu.

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armummy

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Posted: 12 years ago

Just read WU and in no mood to watch the epi. Simply destroys the good feelings associated with whole ganpathi track.

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vkk2429

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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: 0-SD-0
People...do not get offended with me...nor try to advise me how it is good and all...Any given day I prefer help only when I need it...I need to ask for it...or atleast give my consent. That is my nature...if I need to feel good about it. The one given to be in my unconscious state is always a blur...creating a blank...empty state of mind...which I feel I will never have any memory of it. And memory-less existence is worse fear one can have...not knowing what I did or what happened to me.

Shri

Have not watched the episode yet...

But I totally agree on the above...👏

Never offer or provide help until it is asked for..

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armummy

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Posted: 12 years ago

Shri ,

Agree completely with you.

ETA : reminds me of the number of times RK told her not to look at him like a puppy ,,I guess now she just treated him as puppy and treating sultan same too

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Shridevi Gaddam

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Today, I got the feeling that Madhu should be locked up somewhere...or she needs to have a job always on her hand. The moment she says...I quit this job or Main doosra koi kaam doondh loongi...she does find a new job...with opportunity banging at her footsteps or at the door.

And though I never wish Rishabh Kundra to make Madhu part of his life, as I have not seen any qualities of growing relationship between the two...they have disparate thinking, nothing in common except getting attracted to each other...I think only he is available enough to take the drama she weaves and control it. I don't think Sultan or any other man can control Madhu.

Anyways...earlier Radhaji made Madhu accept Rishabh Kundra, now Kaaka and Aryan will make Madhu accept Sultan. And Padmini is her staunch support as always is the case. She is blessed by Padmini and directed by other old/young people to do things for them...

CVs...apna ghisa pita pattern se baahar aao...because you are hurting me.

Alakh Niranjan !! Alakh Niranjan

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amrithas

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Sorry to say this to people who liked the episode, but to me it was a Maha Bakwaas episode! I should have just waited for the written update instead of watching it, and destroying my memories of RK getting shot and the scenes following that!

The whole preposterous thought of Sultan who is shot rousing from unconsciousness on the sound of a suddenly musical lighter, which I am sure has some corny connection to his past! So he fights thugs in that state for the lighter primarily, takes their cell and prefers to play with the lighter before making the all important call! Meanwhile Aryan throws a tantrum which is understandable, Madhu throws in her drama of interference and displays overtly affection and concern for Aryan, even when she learns that Sultan is alive and he's being taken to him! Here is the line where most people should and would walk away, as the child's father is alive and he is going to be safe! No reason for her to feel guilty but she has to follow them to Sultan! From then on I feel disconnected from Madhu as a character a person or whatever! Sultan starts blabbering in his condition, and horrors of horror falls on Madhu! now Madhu sits supporting Sultan, while Kaka and Aryan are making preparations for taking out the bullet! Watching Madhu with Sultan was like watching a horror movie for me, not being able to watch and not able to look away! Well for a few days I will be skipping a lot of scenes and going through written updates instead of episodes,Sulbala has ensured that for me! Sorry for openly showing my distaste!

Anyway Kaka is unable to remove the bullet and requests Madhu to do so! Now we have to believe, I wont be watching it for sure, that she a novice is going to take out the bullet! The only scene I like was Sultan reassuring Aryan that he never lies to him and wont leave him! Aryan mentions someone who died and left him, their background is in the offing! Otherwise even the acting of everyone involved was below par and over the top mostly!

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