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Posted: 12 years ago
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I voted "aware of it & displayed it only when needed."

Though tell me, Krishni, you started this poll to have more discussion on the forum (in which case, it's good) or are you really seeking an explanation to the question you pose as the subject here?😕 Because months ago, we had a very long discussion on this forum which started along similar lines, I think, & went to a lot of other things, Vedic karm siddhant & deh-tatva siddhant & what not. But we discussed this in detail there too.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: sherlock

I voted "aware of it & displayed it only when needed."

Though tell me, Krishni, you started this poll to have more discussion on the forum (in which case, it's good) or are you really seeking an explanation to the question you pose as the subject here?😕 Because months ago, we had a very long discussion on this forum which started along similar lines, I think, & went to a lot of other things, Vedic karm siddhant & deh-tatva siddhant & what not. But we discussed this in detail there too.



First give the reason (why you chose this?)


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Krishni51


First give the reason (why you chose this?)


Ask a simple question, end up typing a long explanation (without getting the answer to your question).

Discussing using VR is difficult for me, for two reasons, I don't have VR with me, don't remember it properly from start to finish.

Secondly, imo, when it comes to mellifluous poetry, dulcet description of events, and most importantly, ease for the reader to take away the most imp message of Ramayan, no version comes anywhere close to Ram Charit Manas.

Anyways, since you prefer VR it seems, here are some examples from VR that I remember.

1. Shri Ram breaking Shiv's bow like child's play, a bow which your preferred author, Shri Valmiki, describes as something which needed to be placed on an eight-wheeled platform, and then pushed by 5000 strongest of men, with great difficulty, for it to be moved from point A to B.

2. Ram taking his bow, i.e. Lord Vishnu's bow, from Parshuram, and then telling him, "Vishnu's divine arrow never goes waste, tell me the target, & I'll destroy it." And then destroying all heavenly realms that Parshuram has earned through his tapasya, with a single arrow. Parshuram praising him as Lord Vishnu ("I know your true nature, Supreme Being, God of Gods, exterminator of Madhu, Shri Vishnu"), and Ram not for once saying, "Wait a minute, what are you talking about? I am a human."

3. One of the best places to see who Ram thinks he is, is when he is angry at not finding Sitaji in the forest, and decides to destroy all the realms. We saw this incident in the latest episode of the show. Acc to Sage Valmiki, Shri Ram says, "I am magnanimous, extremely merciful, and always want well-being of all worlds, but looks like these eternal qualities of mine has been turned into demerits by ignoramus beings & demi-gods who don't realize my power. Very well, now no one, demi-gods, demons, gandharvs, humans, will survive, for I'll make all three worlds immovable with my arrows. Because of my Maithili (Sita), I'll destroy all the worlds, entire creation, no gods, no demons, no humans, none can survive. Let everyone now witness my wrath." This is a long speech by Shri Ram, which should leave absolutely no one in any doubt as to who he is, and whether he remembers his reality at all times or not. Instead of me typing any more, read all that Shri Ram says in VR's Aranya kand.

4. Shabri, described by sage Valmiki as a "perfect yogini" says to Shri ram, "merely by seeing you, my tapasya is complete, my birth is successful, I've received the ultimate award of being subservient to my guru." And I don't remember Shri ram replying, "Why you say so, oh old lady? For I'm Son of Dashrath, a mere mortal."

I can easily go on mentioning more passages from your preferred (not mine) VR, and soon we'll end up with a 3000 word essay. So I am stopping now. You, and everyone else, can draw his/her own conclusions.

Of course, if you want Shri Ram to say out loud, "I am the Parmatma, the never-changing, eternal, all-encompassing tatva, so everyone, worship me" for you to believe that He indeed remembers who he is, then no, I don't think He's ever going to say like this. Why? Because he's Shri Ram.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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I can justify my choice of option from other angles too. VR establishing that Shri Ram is Supreme God, so all Vedic characteristics of the Supreme Personality needs to be applied to Him (already discussed by us). That makes "aware of his divinity & displayed when necessary" a logical choice.

Also, there's that question of purpose of Him manifesting himself here, and it certainly cannot be killing demons as the primary objective (again, already discussed). That too points us towards this option.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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The straight choice is "aware of his infinite supremacy and showed omnipotence"

1)Unawareness = Ignorance...Ignorance and Knowledge are poles apart ; Lord Ram(or Lakshman or Sita) gained knowledge of self from a Guru having firm faith and patience, how can there be a room for ignorance??? He is like a monsoon cloud. He pours down profusely, i.e., scatters widely his nectar-like teachings(actions)!

2)Not exhibiting his omnipotence or divine traits...His method was unique but not veiled or secret, it was quite open.(Royal Blood)The ones who followed his instructions got their object.
Even Lakshman never had any secret affairs everything was straight forward!

3)Showing divine traits only when needed...this is not any purse , pen or mobile to take out when needed...they get displayed in every action of his ; while eating , bathing , including blinking of the eyelids , this is capability of protecting by his glance!Anyone looked at him whole-heartedly, he in turn look at them similarly.Even Lord Ram cannot hide his omnipotence!If someone is not able to realize this at every point then it cannot be a change in the Supreme!
Anything made (texts,lines,speeches etc)with devotion and this vision serve the purpose.Language,poetry,grammer,expressions,phrases etc,anything without these turn to be useless however simple and pleasant they might be!







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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Margosa

they get displayed in every action of his ; while eating , bathing , including blinking of the eyelids , this is capability of protecting by his glance!Anyone looked at him whole-heartedly, he in turn look at them similarly.Even Lord Ram cannot hide his omnipotence!If someone is not able to realize this at every point then it cannot be a change in the Supreme!
Anything made (texts,lines,speeches etc)with devotion and this vision serve the purpose.Language,poetry,grammer,expressions,phrases etc,anything without these turn to be useless however simple and pleasant they might be!


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Love these lines.
Well said, Margosa.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@Sherlock "Ask a simple question, end up typing a long explanation (without getting the answer to your question)."...😕I have the answer with me!

You took the logical side , but there is nothing like that😕

I read it completely...I know VR in bits but you posted something which gave me clarity!Thanks a lot😊


Edited by Krishni51 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Margosa



The straight choice is "aware of his infinite supremacy and showed omnipotence"

1)Unawareness = Ignorance...Ignorance and Knowledge are poles apart ; Lord Ram(or Lakshman or Sita) gained knowledge of self from a Guru having firm faith and patience, how can there be a room for ignorance??? He is like a monsoon cloud. He pours down profusely, i.e., scatters widely his nectar-like teachings(actions)!

2)Not exhibiting his omnipotence or divine traits...His method was unique but not veiled or secret, it was quite open.(Royal Blood)The ones who followed his instructions got their object.
Even Lakshman never had any secret affairs everything was straight forward!

3)Showing divine traits only when needed...this is not any purse , pen or mobile to take out when needed...they get displayed in every action of his ; while eating , bathing , including blinking of the eyelids , this is capability of protecting by his glance!Anyone looked at him whole-heartedly, he in turn look at them similarly.Even Lord Ram cannot hide his omnipotence!If someone is not able to realize this at every point then it cannot be a change in the Supreme!
Anything made (texts,lines,speeches etc)with devotion and this vision serve the purpose.Language,poetry,grammer,expressions,phrases etc,anything without these turn to be useless however simple and pleasant they might be!


@Margosa

Thank You for posting your choice with the accurate points and you made it correctly😊


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Posted: 12 years ago
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There are too many versions of Ramayan, & immeasurable commentaries & articles, because almost everyone who reads it thinks that he/she has something new to say about it. Further, there's supposed to be more versions which are now lost to us compared to what's available today!! For example, in some text (in one of the Puranas, I think), Lord Brahma says that he documented the maayic realm exploits of Shri Ram in 100,000 shlokas, so that by reading it, Shri Ram bhakts can get a glimpse of the Supreme Bliss of Saket, the Divine Abode, where Lord SitaRam are sitting under Kalptaru, and he had got that account from Lord Shiv himself. Tulsidasji also assert the same in Ram Charit Manas that the first person to sing the story of Shri Ram is Lord Shiv, and that he is merely copying what Lord Shiv continuously sing. Where is that Lord Brahma's Ramayan today, running for 100,000 or more shlokas? Nobody knows.

Sage Valmiki's Ramayan is 24,000 shlokas long, & if the first alphabet (in Sanskrit of course) of first shlok of every set of 1000 shlokas is placed together, you get the Vedic Gayatri mantra! This is probably a reiteration by Valmiki of his assertion that Ramayan elucidates and expands the Sattvic meaning of Vedic mantras. According to an ancient story, the second person to sing Ramayan after Lord Shiv (whose version Lord Brahma is supposed to have documented in a huge text), is Shri Hanuman, who wrote the Ramayan in the form of a dramatic play. When Valmiki completed his 24,000 shlok long Ramayan, he requested Lord Hanuman to hide the play on Ramayan that he has written, otherwise with Lord Hanuman's version available, why would anyone read his, i.e. Valmiki's version? Since Shri Hanuman is infinitely benevolent, he threw his entire play, which he had written on huge rocks, into the ocean. Further, some accounts say that ages later, King Vikramaditya of Avantika managed to retrieve some of those huge rocks from the ocean, and based on whatever he could retrieve, two poets wrote two Sanskrit plays based on Ramayan, titled "Hanumanatak" (A Play by Hanuman) & "Mahanatak" (The Epic Play). I've tried many a times to get these Sanskrit books from somewhere and read them, but I'm yet to succeed.😭

Thus, it's very easy to spend time & effort trying to decipher & interpret each & every word & action of characters, or events, of Ramayan, in different ways, what with such a huge body of literature still available. I too have done a little bit of reading & researching, but I realized early in the day that while these pursuits appear scholarly, they are not going to add anything to my conclusions.

That's why, all I remember today, is Shri Ram Charit Manas. There's something immensely sweet about Tulsidasji's writings, not only in RCM, but in all his books, "Parvati Mangal" "Janaki Mangal" "Vinay Patrika" "Gitavali" "Hanuman Bahuk", etc. etc.

Tulsidasji says at one place, "Life is too short, & in that short span, jeev is plagued by infinite thoughts. Neither is there an end to scriptures, nor to the melodies of poetry. There's no end to Ved's prescriptions, and no end to meanings of Puranas, and to make matters worse, different scholars interpret these in different ways. What to do now? So oh soul, listen, as Tulsidas tells you the most important conclusion, the supreme secret. If you wish to do your ultimate good, start reciting "Ram" naam from this moment onwards, & never stop."

Edited by sherlock - 12 years ago

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