Blast from the Past Thread #5, Epi 70, Pg 125 - Page 84

Originally posted by: cinthiann1758

Okay Indi I really need for you to explain to me succinctly why he thinks of her as agold digger? Why does she feel she wants money? Is it his misconception from the first episode? Did she ever make him believe she was out for the money? I am really perplexed by this. Otherwise amazing as always. Hatesss Ssshyam, sssnake!

Originally posted by: sohara

@ ArshiHamesha

Thanks for the lovely comments on my analysis of episode-67.

I consider myself as a modern woman too.Though I'm not Hindu, but I think I know much more than La about HIndu religion.I saw in so many Hindi soaps that they portray a modern woman as a wayward atheist. I think they actually don't know the definition of a modern women,A modern woman can be religious and progressive at the same time.

Originally posted by: samin6

Ok now I am not very familiar with the hindu wedding rituals but with the legal aspects of wedding yes. As it happens I know that a legal document is needed to change your name and also the legal document is considered superior to rituals. It does not matter where and how you get married usually. So we know that Khushi changed her name and she did sign on behalf of Arnav which would not have been possible if they did not have a legal document. Now from february onwards they looked like a married couple and behaved like one too. Now looking retrospectively I am skeptical about the remarriage track. Because I think it was done to viewer demands and also since Khushi wanted one. In any case marriage is a legal and social binding- we can speak for hours about two hearts meetings and two bodies being one etc but that does not constitute a marriage unless it has a legal document or social proof of marriage. Most have both. And yes I agree with Indi that when they asked for remarriage some sactity of the previous episodes were disturbed, Like when they confessed after Holi, when Arnav carried her from the steps of the mandir saying she is his wife, when they professed their love in Heer Ranjha, when they were sleeping together in Gupta house, when the almost consummated in hut scene, when Khushi moved heaven and earth to get Arnav from the kidnappers, their telepathy conversations and all. The worst was when she refused to stay back after mehndi and Arnav told her to get out after bringing Shyam back.

Originally posted by: indi52

hi everyone,

need to clarify about my "research." i read some websites, including sites where lawyers answer questions, can't call it an exhaustive research. however in a couple of them the gandharva rites came up, and the opinion was that under certain circumstances, it is still accepted by law, and should someone wish to challenge it, the onus is on them to prove it. as all legal things, the wording and premiss are complicated.

i was very disturbed by the way in which a remarriage track introduced.

first, a complete volte face in the wise, intelligent, unafraid girl we saw during the kidnap track. many of us fully expected them to have a private ceremony after that because asr would want it so for her, for her beliefs, everything. a ceremony with mother's kangan, stars, mother's letter, close people, and yes, even pheres, because she loved them so much. asr had heard the whole shebang during preeto's wedding, so for him to plan it for her, or even hold her close and say he'd like to... beautiful.

and since, khushi had grown up hugely in the months with him, for her to say, she no longer feels the need for it, because he gave her the place of trust he did, without any further questions... even more lovely.

aside: they were legally married, he has said it a couple pf times. so anyway, that's done.

however, there still could have been a gorgeous ceremony. but what was dadi? avaidh marriage? drawing room scene about their right to live together? did not feel like ipk. and then asr agreed to marry his legally wedded wife again? for whom? khushi actually, if you see the last bit of that sr night, had come down to the room, picked uup the petals on the mbed and gone all soft and happy thinking of his "that i love you dammit." she looked ready to take the step. is that how the writer's wanted to indicate that the beautiful strong woman we saw during kidnap was still there?

why sacrifice her then?

audience, star plus, ph... whatever. net result: dadi

i am pretty focussed on women's issues as such, always raving about portrayal of women in media, her place in society, religion, so when i started to feel that temple wedding had a certain beauty, i was seriously concerned about my sanity. yet, as time passed, and even in that moment, i knew this was their marriage. there was a certain acceptance and adherence there, from both sides, which is hard to explain. but there it was. and i have really enjoyed reading samin's take on how two people in love quarrel and make up. more than any legality, or anything, their powerful feelings toward each other sanctified that moment.

once he put that sindoor, however much he tried to tell himself, she's a home breaker (possibly compared her to "woh aurat"), he could never not act as her husband. and he put that sindoor/mangalsutra before god and fire, only for her sake. he could have just made her sign papers and live with him for six months under that same threat of breaking payal's wedding.

and she was mad at him, went ott (perfectly understandable, this is our samosa eater after all, though i do wish they had handled it with more ken), but somehow his wife.

can't explain this.

then there were the god and fire, chanting of mantras in the background... not an ideal marriage, but a marriage. a different one.

anyway, what's done cannot be undone. a beautiful special story it was. in the end, the actors and a few writers tried to keep the spark alive, i'll just take that and let the ugh go.

Episode 68!!!!!!

The episode starts off telling the story where kansh, I mean arnav interrupted…khushi was like not kansh pointing at the door where arnav left…she noticed that she was pointed and took her hand down…she finishes telling the story and la was getting really into…she seemed like the story was actually happening to her…and khushi is a master of sounds…idk how she did that…it is not the sound technician person at all. Khushi asked la how her story was and la avoided answering and left…The how phone then rings and khushi answers…arnav was like who is this…and khushi whispered kansh..and she said this is khushi…arnav asked where di is…and khushi said that she is in the kitchen…why don't you call her cell phone…arnav said I did that is why I am calling the landline…khushi was like do you have work with her…arnav was like duh…that is why I am calling…arnav asked her to ask di if she wanted kesar or elachi…khushi said elachi but arnav was like I did not want your answer but di's…khushi asked Anjali and Anjali was like elachi…you could have answered that…khushi was about to say I told you so but arnav got his answer and hung up on her face…then khushi was bad mouthing arnav…when la appeared and asked if that was asr and why did he call…khushi was like poor thing.

Khushi was showing all the preparations to la and la said there is one statue but why so many names…la said he has 108 names (I think that was the right number) and la was like chamkili…mami came in and said don't forget phati sari, and khatti mithai…Anjali comes and said tum bhi na mami ji…and this made mami quiet…Anjali said my husband's name is related to Krishna…and khushi said so is my pg…and Anjali was about to say the name when nani called her (I hate all these missed moments)…Khushi shows lavanya some more stuff and la makes some for stupid comments…then la left the kitchen and khushi went to return her phone because la left it there…as she was looking for la…arnav is coming with the stuff and khushi slips on butter that mami ji previously dropped…and arnav saved her and dropping all the flowers…RABBA VEY….and they realize their position when arnav was about to yell at her…Anjali comes and asked what happen…khushi leaves to give the phone to la…arnav does not answer and just gives the stuff to di and walks off…Khushi then goes to Anjali and then said I have to talk to you…arnav turns around…he assumed she will talk about him since he knows the shart…khushi tells anji that she needs to go home early and since you are here you can show la and I will right down stuff if I have too…Anjali was like please don't because you have to show la…arnav was like you should pay her over time…khushi was like I am not talking to you and Anjali please tell your brother that money does not buy anything…arnav was like of course it does and it buys you too…nani comes in and stops this bickering…Anjali comes up with the idea to invite the whole family…and nani calls bua ji…while on the phone khushi mentioned the paying guest…and Anjali tells nani to invite him too…bua ji gives into nani's request because she was running out of excuses…Khushi gets happy now…and akash was trying to get anji's attention but she is not listeing…Anjali was like I was listening and guess what bua and payal are coming do you agree with this decision…akash starts to blush and agrees…Anjali knows akash has a thing for payal and loves messing with him…payal gets upset and said how can we go….she was thinking of akash at that time and how mami hates her….shyam is staying back because if he goes you know what will happen…

In la's room, she was complaining that khushi's whole family is coming and wondering what kind of impression they made on nani…mami was like khushi made a good entrance where as you made a bad one…everything is planned…la gets mad and devices a plan to make khushi fall in nani's eyes…she gets the phone and dials a number and said she has important work…what did la plan????

Originally posted by: indi52

hi cynthia,

about gold digger. no clear "knowledge," however this part of asr had something to do with his earlier experience, possibly the story of sheeshmahal which was never articulated properly, luring us with is mystery and secret, where khushi and arnav's past were linked somehow, where the reason for shyam's villainy lay, the story that just got forgotten as the acrimony of the last months grew, and story, character, all was sacrificed.

my best guess: the reason he says there's no place in his life for any girl, he keeps referring to her aukaat, her "status, and calls her a gold digger, your kind of women... etc,. is because there was such a girl in his father's life. one his father was completely besotted with. who brought havoc to the family of asr, or at least the obsession with her did.

there are references to this in many things he says, also nani's vehement opposition to love.

which is why lavanya is perfect for him. she does not stir him at all. "love," "uss ladki," "aukaat," "tum jaisi ladki paiso ke liye..." all are tied togrether in an idea whose explanation was never given to us. so it seemed he was "arrogant" toward women just for the heck of it. he even tells his di, if such a girl who'll matter so much that should she leave i'll stop breathing... if such a girl should come to my life, i'll not let her in. why? was he just like that for no reason whatsoever?

and thanks for reading. haven't read your last couple, today at work... 😆 oh joy.

Originally posted by: cinthiann1758

I have renamed you Supriya the Amazing!!!👏

Originally posted by: ..Anita..

Episode 68!!!!!!

The episode starts off telling the story where kansh, I mean arnav interrupted'khushi was like not kansh pointing at the door where arnav left'she noticed that she was pointed and took her hand down'she finishes telling the story and la was getting really into'she seemed like the story was actually happening to her'and khushi is a master of sounds'idk how she did that'it is not the sound technician person at all. Khushi asked la how her story was and la avoided answering and left'The how phone then rings and khushi answers'arnav was like who is this'and khushi whispered kansh..and she said this is khushi'arnav asked where di is'and khushi said that she is in the kitchen'why don't you call her cell phone'arnav said I did that is why I am calling the landline'khushi was like do you have work with her'arnav was like duh'that is why I am calling'arnav asked her to ask di if she wanted kesar or elachi'khushi said elachi but arnav was like I did not want your answer but di's'khushi asked Anjali and Anjali was like elachi'you could have answered that'khushi was about to say I told you so but arnav got his answer and hung up on her face'then khushi was bad mouthing arnav'when la appeared and asked if that was asr and why did he call'khushi was like poor thing.

Khushi was showing all the preparations to la and la said there is one statue but why so many names'la said he has 108 names (I think that was the right number) and la was like chamkili'mami came in and said don't forget phati sari, and khatti mithai'Anjali comes and said tum bhi na mami ji'and this made mami quiet'Anjali said my husband's name is related to Krishna'and khushi said so is my pg'and Anjali was about to say the name when nani called her (I hate all these missed moments)'Khushi shows lavanya some more stuff and la makes some for stupid comments'then la left the kitchen and khushi went to return her phone because la left it there'as she was looking for la'arnav is coming with the stuff and khushi slips on butter that mami ji previously dropped'and arnav saved her and dropping all the flowers'RABBA VEY'.and they realize their position when arnav was about to yell at her'Anjali comes and asked what happen'khushi leaves to give the phone to la'arnav does not answer and just gives the stuff to di and walks off'Khushi then goes to Anjali and then said I have to talk to you'arnav turns around'he assumed she will talk about him since he knows the shart'khushi tells anji that she needs to go home early and since you are here you can show la and I will right down stuff if I have too'Anjali was like please don't because you have to show la'arnav was like you should pay her over time'khushi was like I am not talking to you and Anjali please tell your brother that money does not buy anything'arnav was like of course it does and it buys you too'nani comes in and stops this bickering'Anjali comes up with the idea to invite the whole family'and nani calls bua ji'while on the phone khushi mentioned the paying guest'and Anjali tells nani to invite him too'bua ji gives into nani's request because she was running out of excuses'Khushi gets happy now'and akash was trying to get anji's attention but she is not listeing'Anjali was like I was listening and guess what bua and payal are coming do you agree with this decision'akash starts to blush and agrees'Anjali knows akash has a thing for payal and loves messing with him'payal gets upset and said how can we go'.she was thinking of akash at that time and how mami hates her'.shyam is staying back because if he goes you know what will happen'

In la's room, she was complaining that khushi's whole family is coming and wondering what kind of impression they made on nani'mami was like khushi made a good entrance where as you made a bad one'everything is planned'la gets mad and devices a plan to make khushi fall in nani's eyes'she gets the phone and dials a number and said she has important work'what did la plan????

Originally posted by: indi52

episode 65

"toffee se meethi hai...
chooran se khatti hai
khatti meethi hai teri kahani
anjali di hai sabse sayani"

you're 14. your parents lie dead before you. on the day your only sibling, your elder sister was supposed to get married. i wonder what happens to your mind then. how do you survive? what makes sense after that? and for anything to make sense what do you reach out for? especially when in the midst of the madness comes betrayal from those you trust.

possibly a place in his mind shut down permanently after the event. the gentler, softer, vulnerable, emotion rich place. in its stead he turned to his anger, his sheer refusal to succumb. he would take on this world and talk to it in the language it understood, the language of money, of authority, of hard material success. in this lay power... taqat. a taqat he needed to just get through this pain and reality breaching horror. "himmat dikhai maine." he was young but showed courage and braved the odds.

yet, for a nature as deep as his, there had to be more. to give meaning to this endeavour. to stay sane. to feel human. di was where he anchored all his emotions and without her his world would simply fall apart. no amount of money, power, nothing would keep it standing. it was around her he recreated his link with this unforgiving real life.

he took away from himself any need for personal happiness. watching her being happy was all he needed. at least that's what he told himself in his hour of need... and that's how he survived. and perhaps that's why shyam could fool the heck out of him... he kept di happy.

and now di couldn't be found.

imagine his state of mind.

when he ran up the stairs and his eyes caught sight of her... that pause as he got his balance, himself, back; his eyes just taking her in, disbelief, relief, love, fear, joy, everything in them... one of the best moments i've seen on screen. barun sobti's asr was stunning throughout the next few moments. understated, but deep, moving emotion. a brother, who never put any limits on his love for his only surviving immediate family; now all his outer self kept aside, only his most emotional, dependent side out, yet asr all the way.loved how you phrased that

daljeet bhanot was flawless in her rendition of anjali, now the peeved and hurt elder sister, and then suddenly, understanding his need, his remorse, the absolute loving and giving elder sister. I agree she was the perfect anjali

a pivotal scene where khushi realised exactly how central anjali was to her younger brother's happiness, joy, life. in these minutes khushi internalised in a flash, what keeps asr going. that this love for his sister is his only link to the essential space of human emotion. without it he won't feel complete. This is the first time khushi saw the soft side of arnav

gentle tender music. he comes and kneels before her. she sees him but doesn't acknowledge...

khushi walks up with umbrella.

he looks at his di with the gentlest eyes, a hint of smile,

"toffee se meethi hai... chooran se khatti hai..." sweeter than toffee... more sour than chooran...

anjali looks at him.

"khatti meethi hai teri kahani... anjali di hai sabse sayani," sweet and sour is your story... anjali di is very clever. This was the cutest thing i have ever heard...i was like awww when i heard it...i loved how arnav turned into a little kid saying it

a little poem from childhood, in which memories are kept safe, away from this harsh world. his voice carries the most heartbreaking notes of tears, breaks here and there. his remorse is just as complete as his anger.

this is the clean man with a conscience, an innocence... khushi watches amazed.

"di, aapki bari hai." di, your turn now.

but di looks away. "hum bhool gaye hain," i've forgotten... she is not mollified, not yet.

"papad ka tukda...," piece of papad (aww crisp crackly salty spicy, do i know you?). tired voice with break in it reminds her... khsuhi eyes' widen... is this rakshas?

anjali relents, perhaps she heard that weary note, he is emotionally drained...

"papad ka tukda hai/jab dekho ukhda hai/deta hai apne di ko/aansoo mote mote..." piece of papad is he/always angry is he/gives his di/tear drops so huge...

he looks at her in that pause, so much love and dependence and more in that gaze, the swallowed tears you can almost feel.

"woh hai gussewala... hamara chhote," he is the angry one, my chhotey.

gussewala... I loved this poem!!! again made me go awww when they said it

finally anjali looks at him and smiles... that giving smile of hers.

he swallows... the tears come... the ocean is calming.

"galati ho gayi, di... maaf kar do." made a mistake, di, forgive me. i am getting goosbumps at that delivery.

turns cheek for a slap. she goes to slap, but cups his face instead. says it's ok. but he refutes:

"nahi di... theek nahin hai... duniya ke liye... aapke liye nahin..." my anger is ok for others... but never for you.

and the key issue comes tumbling out... i have nothing to do with this world... my real world is but you. "mujhe is duniya se koi matlab nahin hai (tragic)... meri asli duniya toh aap ho." stress on "aap" superb acting, quiet, felt, real, eyes concentrating each emotion.I was crying like a fool

going deeper into his ultimate fear. di, never get lost again... please. he is exhausted, can't bear this again. from childhood i've seen, those who get lost, they never return. "bachpan se dekh raha hoon, jo kho jaate hain na (tears stung the back of my eyes at his tone, the scared boy in it, i've been there)... wapas nahin aate..."poor arniekins

perhaps anjali is beginning to gauge his state of mind, the terror in him... "agar aap ka dil kare na toh aap mujhe daant lena... maar maar ke meri jaan le le lena, di, par..." whimpering, sobbing, anjali is shaking her head wanting to reassure him, "...ma ki tarah mujhe kabhi chhorkar mat jaana, di."

if you want, scold me, hit me, kill me... but don't ever leave me and go away like ma did.I found this part super cute...he looked like a little vunerable kid

maaa. a nightmare recurs. a little boy in a house of mirrors, mirrors shattering. big bad arrogant asr, within his fragile tender heart, he places trustingly only in his di's care.

finally the music releases toward a higher tempo, till now quiet and as sad as him. she hugs him. watch barun, that is asr... not just any loving brother. even in pain, in fear, in terror, in his saddest memory, barun is always asr,

"achha yeh batao... tumne bhi vrat rakkha hai na." tell me asks his centre of universe trying to take things to even keel, you too have kept a fast, haven't you?

the quiet believer within the perceived atheist, he has fasted on the day of raksha for his dearest one. thsi is to me admirable, sign of a real believer... beyond practice, to the heart of faith.

"acchha tumhe kaise pata chala ki hum tumhe yahan milenge?" how did you know i was here?

he remembers, his eyes say so. anjali turns and catches sight of khushi.

"khushi?!!!" anjali beams.

really? maybe i should do this again and again... anjali pulls his leg... restoration of calm... music lilts ma ga re sa... happy, no longer plaintive.

"di aapko yeh sab mazak lag raha hai?" di, this looks like a joke to you? he's still not completely out of it.

"sorry..."

"khushi ghar wapas aa gayi hai" khushi's come back home.

"chale?" shall we go? cute nod.

"aap yehi chahti thi na?" this is what you wanted, isn't it?

"papad ka tukda hai
jab dekho ukhda hai
deta hai apne di ko
aansoo mote mote
woh hai gussewala...
hamara chhote"

if i'm ever feeling a bit down, all i need to do is come and take a look at these scenes, and inevitably i start feeling better. i am not the go awww at sweet bro sis relationship sort. in fact, quite the opposite. if even slightly badly handled, one wrong note or nuance, i'd have gone gah and rushed off to the hot scenes. but they got it so right, so just so, i had to just give in and just love the whole thing. i could have sworn he was pouting in that last cap. ok, i am officially faintiya.



and so you came, as i knew you would, but what made me know it though?

i stand at your door, last night was it you at mine?
why do you come, why do i?

why do you matter? why do i feel i have that right over you as none other?

it was a few minutes together, yet it was teeming with things unsaid, feelings uninvited that were determined to stay. gold digger... rakshas, the insults flew... the intense dislike. yet below the surface, two human beings were seeing each other, feeling each other... a boy called arnav and a girl called khushi. "she lived on the morning side of the mountain... and he lived on the twilight side of the hill," but unlike in the song, these two did meet.

he's driving madly, desperately looking for di. khushi sits terrified, jolted around,

what if he can't find her... what if she's... g forbid. hey dm, thsi speed, what if the car spins out of control... what if... no. two childhood fears side by side.

he notices her state, grimly "apni seat belt lagao," put on your seat belt.

she fumbles. he stops car... reaches across, so so close, pulls seat belt over, puts it on. rabbba vey notes. so full of "huq," right over her. night before just walked into her house. and now this concern for the "tum jaisi ladki."

eyes helplessly locked on hey hey...

"ho sakta hai... anjali..." she pipes up. one glacial stare is the most logical asr response. right to be rude too.

in his mind he thinks: "kahan dhoondoon di aap ko... kahan chali gayi hain aap, where shall i look for you, di, here have you gone?

she replies on cue: "aap chinta mat kijiye... anjali ji mil jaayngi.," don't worry, she'll be found.

he stops car again... to fight. it's a custom now, practically. a pretty sacred one at that.

this is all because of you... if you hadn't come home, we wouldn't have fought. again voice rising, finger pointing, "sab tumhari vajah se hua hai." it's all your fault. the bristling awareness between them unsettles both. especially him. and there's only one way to handle it, turn attraction into war.

khushi knows he doesn't mean any of all this, he is just worried sick, and spewing nonsense as a result. she is thinking on her feet, wondering where anjali could be.

and it clicks.

"devi maiya... aaj toh shukravaar hai aaj toh dm ke bade mandir mein aarti hoti hai." there's a big aarti at the devi maiya temple. that's all she has to say, and he gets it.

he turns the car around.

(a special thanks to the writers. that toffee chooran rhyme is a classic, and has a wonderful insight into love between two people growing up together. music, direction, utterly brilliant on the two scenes i fell for.)