Episode 203 Discussion: 23rd Feb 2013 - Page 14

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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Soundarya22

After so much weekend analysis, ek gaana to banta hai.😃

I heard this song after ages on the radio...retro song, one of the most poignant judaai songs ever...tere bina zindagi se shikwa...the translation of the lyrics posted below are beautiful and apt. The translation in the video is too literal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZjCBH3KUfk

I have no grouse against a life without you
but a life without you is hardly any life

wish we could tread our journey with your steps
pick our destinations afresh and walk
someplace else,someplace far far away-
when you walk along with me
there's no dearth of places to be
and though I have no grouse against a life without you
a life without you is hardly any life

all I wish to do is seek refuge in your aanchal
and keep crying;aren't those tears too
that I detect in the moistness of your eyes-
a life without you
is hardly any life

if you say so
the moon will not set tonight
say it-stop this night
it's just the matter of the night
there is'nt much left in life
without you
I have no grouse against a life without you
but a life without you is hardly any life


lovely song isn't it Soundarya? since the time this twist came in, i can think of only one song for RK.."zindagi ke safar mein guzar jaate hain jo maqam,woh phir nahi aate" 😭 he's the most unlucky man out there..hence unlucky in love.
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: PreetD

I definitely think that my mental disorder line of thinking was a bust and a conversation with Shri left me contemplating another theory I had had a while ago but I had discarded for some unknown reason (likely because work has kept me too preoccupied to think too deeply on the subject too often).


I wondered if RK was so self-destructive that he would destroy this relationship for a sense of self-preservation in the future. There are many examples to be found in American soaps and television where a couple (or one person in the relationship) will decide to end a relationship before it can run it's natural course in fear of what might happen if they don't take control of the situation. Jason and Elizabeth (the great love story of General Hospital that never really got a fair chance) have been in love forever but because his was a dangerous life he and Elizabeth (after many incidents) decided that they couldn't ever be together for the safety of the children but as fate would have it their son died in an unexpected accident that had nothing to do with Jason's dangerous life style. House went off the rails on House M.D. and sabotaged his own relationship with the woman he loved when she was facing death (she survived I believe).

If you'll recall from the night of the un-wedding RK compared their love story to that of one in the perfect movie. RK is an extremely filmy man, he himself said that he's the one that decides the endings to his movies. Often in his musings/conversations he refers to real life in the form of reel life (eg. Padmani and Malik's love story being compared to a great picture). So here's RK, he's had everyone that he's ever loved taken away from him. Even though he's been assured that Madhu would not leave him this does not mean that fate might have other plans. Madhu may never willingly leave the RK that she loves but there are many things that life can throw at us that can separate us from our loved ones (death for example - which became all too real a possibility). Perhaps part of this fear too was that Madhu may not love the darker parts of him, which he was doing a good job of hiding but were still very much a part of him, and might leave him if he did something that crossed the line too far.

Was any of what he experienced with Madhu a lie? Nope.. He fell and he fell hard everything he experienced was extremely real (the reactions he had to her while they were married and living together in love are similar to the ones he has now when he senses she's in pain). It was the greatest romantic film and it was his real life, only being RK he had to control the ending. He couldn't take the chance (especially after a few near misses where he thought he could have lost the woman he loved beyond reason) that anyone but him could dictate the ending of this love story. Before fate or Madhu could separate him from the love of his life he wrote the perfect ending and ended it himself. What does he take away from it? All the beautiful and sweet memories of his love he can think back on fondly in his own private moments. What he didn't anticipate correctly was just how difficult it would be to move on peacefully with just the memories. It's one thing to execute the perfect plan but an entirely different thing to deal with the aftermath.

Why was he so harsh to Madhu? He needed her to buy it, the 4 slaps were a convenient reason to use as that had what had started him on this journey of love to begin with. Had she not slapped him he would never have married her and thus never have fallen in love with her. He needs Madhu to leave it be, not question his motives as the woman was so in love with him that anything but the harshest, most devestating reason would not persuade her to leave him. She had already forgiven him too many things easily, every time he thought he might lose her she came right back. Right now Madhu is dealing by being strong on the surface but the poor girl is heartbroken and still putting the pieces together, she cannot see beyond her own pain to notice that perhaps there are ulterior motives behind RK's actions, just as he had planned.

What RK had not counted on was Madhu coming back into his life. I'm going to use a terrible example because I hate both the books and movies but have seen them because my sisters love them, but in the Twilight books Edward leaves Bella in a terrible manner making her think he doesn't love her to protect her and is content in the thought that as long as she's alive and happy somewhere in the world he'll be fine. Similar thing here, RK instead has done this for his own self-preservation (in his mind). He's not left Madhu alone, only without his love. She still has all the emotional supports she's ever had, if not more. There is still love and family surrounding her so in his mind he's decided she'll be fine, he's made sure that everything was right in her life. If he truly wanted her to pay would he not have kept her around so that he could continue to dictate everything in her life? He's let her go, maybe in a few years she'll meet a nice man and fall in love again, have a family (all things he told her he wanted to rob her of the morning after their wedding).

Seeing Madhu in front of him every day reminds him of the pain he's caused her and prevents him from just keeping hold of the happy memories and starting on the next chapter of his life. Every day he needs to now put up an act, the act that he put on during their un-wedding. The fact that he's an idiot for thinking he has any sort of real control in these matters is a whole other topic, thing is he thinks he does. As people have noticed, he's not the same RK he used to be, he can't revel in his victory because he wasn't actually really victorious in anything was he? She did change him (and this is partially something for the audience to hold onto as well - a light in the darkness so to speak) and were it not for RK's need to have complete control over everything in his life he would be with Madhu, loving her openly and accepting her love.

As for Madhu, she's a young girl who's faced heartbreak for the first time in her life. She's never not had love from those around her so for her to be confronted with the fact that the man she loved beyond all reason was not really in love with her is a hard pill to swallow but she's doing the best she can with it. I'm not even going to get into the dress debate as a few people have already voiced my thoughts on the whole thing. You have to look beyond the surface, think about everything she's dealing with and how she's still holding it together in the face of all of that. There are two ways people deal with any sort of emotional blow, you can curl up in a ball and cry it out or you can go out and deal with it head on. Madhu decided that for her the best course of action would be to go out and face it head on and if that meant seeing the source of her pain every day then why not? What better way to conquer that pain and crippling feeling than facing it head on every single day and conquering it a little every single day? Is she going to have a breakdown every now and then? Of course, that doesn't make her any weaker, just human.

What Madhu didn't expect in all of this is the mixed signals that man keeps giving her. One minute he's cutting her down and the next he's the caring man she fell in love with. What game is he playing. It would be much easier for her if he would just be the jerk that he wants her to believe he is at least then she wouldn't be forced to try and reconcile the man he keeps trying to be in front of her and the man she glimpses during his weaker moments.

Anyways, I don't know if I made any sense here, it's late and I talked a lot today about this topic and sometimes it's hard to get the sentiments you express verbally written down with the same feeling hours later.


Bravo... Completely logical from both their perspectives...
please take a bow...👏👏
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: 0-SD-0

Preet,

Thank you very much for that post on Page 16.
Hope it helps peeps a little here. Let's see now 😆


Kodai,
You may get the answers that you are looking for if you read PreetD's post on page 16. And along with this I am not sure, if you read all the threads. If not you can go to my blog and check the compilation for
  1. Rishabh Kundra and his Planned Revenge
  2. NEW DNA of Rishbala romance
What's happened in the presentation of the 1st track and what's happening now in the 2nd track, if you put them together in succession and understand the behavioural patterns of the two (Rishabh Kundra and Madhu), you will understand what Preet is explaining on Page 16. This is also the 2 week period (Episode 191 to 203) that people were supposed to keep patience to hang on to get few answers if not all.
Address to my blog: shrideviblog.blogspot.com

So ultimately its his perfect plan executed flawlessly falling apart and making him appear this cartoonish villain because he miscalculated his own self unable to go on with the aftermath as it suffered himself as the collateral damage in his plan and Madhu re-entering has made it difficult for him.

In all this...what I will further add to what Preet has written...Why he needs to control or create that larger than life drama for himself, why does he need to decide the endings of his movie, of course there is his ego which is manifesting on his every action.

When in Love, you let go of your self. Your ego has to be surrendered.

However, he being the creator of his own life (remember Rishabh turned into RK) with his own brand name, he cannot surrender that image of himself yet. That ego cannot be surrendered. And for that, Rishabh the person that no one has seen for long except his mother, needs to surface. There is a lot of work involved here...so that means lot many episodes...and lot of twists. If you think this is giving you worry, then my advise to you, honestly, there is nothing to worry. The guy is honest. Until he understands everything will be bizarre. The moment he understands, he will start creating new drama. In the end he is the creator by choice where as Madhu is his Muse. Because she starts everything ...sort of becoming his inspiration. You need to understand the structure of their romance and then pretty much we can always enjoy the drama with all variants of emotions.

So again...be clear to segregate the creative aspect of their romance which involves their ego, and love aspect of their romance which involves their inexplicable love for each other.
IF in the creative aspect - He is the artist and she is the Muse, In the love aspect - He is the attracted to her and she is affected one. 😆 Well...there is no major difference between the two words, but the way I perceive them is being attracted is active energy and being affected is the passive energy.


Thanks, Shri
For adding to what Preet already said..
Lovely post by both of you..👏
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Posted: 12 years ago

@ Zorica

I am having a tough time deciding which posters is the best one😊
Your posters always captures the best and the right moments...👏
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: vkk2429


@ Zorica

I am having a tough time deciding which posters is the best one😊
Your posters always captures the best and the right moments...👏


Krithika,
Thank you! 😃

Sometimes it is very hard to catch the right moment:
  • it bothers me logo "colors",
  • too close-up,
  • blurry,
  • etc.
But the good side of this is, I have to watch the scene again, and again, and again! 😉
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: kodai


Shri & PreetD

Between your 2 posts, you have explained his thinking so well. I am so much clearer and it makes perfect logical sense - in a twisted way. Thanks !

This is what I understood - I will write the script of my life before God can go ahead & write it !! He seems so sure that life has a negative outcome for him - so wants to preempt it.
Am I correct ?
For a person who's blessed with so many things, he seems very blinded to be so negative in his thinking.


@bold - black - Correct
@bold 2 - orange - Correct

@bold 3 - red - yeah...morbid thinking. you can source back the feeling to the deception he took to heart. His father's death, his mom's remarriage, that idiotic Dips jilt. Well these events now more or less are reconciled, but he seems to have focussed on one word "abandoned" or "snatched" Preet was saying that, we do not know what he must have actually felt (the emotional reaction of his) at seeing Madhu hanging in that same manner as his father, but definitely it must have forced him to speeden up his execution. Because in his plan or in his world of creation, Balraj entry was completely unforeseen by him, unplanned by him and he himself was the reason for bringing Balraj into their life unwittingly, unknowingly and Madhu could have been killed. God made him the instrument towards risking of his own happiness. So even if "God might have other plans" idea may have been pushed by him to the back of his mind. his almost fiasco with Balraj, proved his thinking that God definitely has something different stored for him. He must have thought...lucky I saved her today, now...I may not get another chance...and decided to go ahead. As for going for Picnic trip...was like him savoring his last of memories.
BTW: The slap/any action from Madhu and then RK taking the cue from there...that is what I call as the creative aspect. Because both of their egos work here in building the relationship between them whichever form it takes for them.

Edited by 0-SD-0 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago

Thanks for these perspectives guys. I am at peace with myself now. Now for me, RK ek murakh banda hai jise apni naak ke aage kuch dikhta hi nahin, jo apne aap ko khuda samazata hai, jise lagta hai ki woh dusron ki zindagiya banane ya bigadne ki takat rakhta hai aur jise reality ka aina dikhana bohot jaruri hai.

Now question is when will the proverbial apple fall on his head and knock some sense in him and puncture his ego? Who will bell this cat?
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Posted: 12 years ago
Zorica, your posters are wow... Seamless.. Don't know any apt words to describe them.. 👏
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: _charu_


about Madhu, you said it all..i was trying to say the same in my review but could not word it so perfectly...the plot seemed contrived ..Padmini did try to explain her but she refused to budge...i'm finding it hard to understand her..can u plz do it ?? did she go there to prove it to herself that she hates RK ? that he was not worth falling in love ? bec. it will give her the required closure ? so that she can move on in her life without his memories ? it's a risk but is it worth it? given that she's not at all prepared to face him !! (which was proved yest)

@ Charu: Thank you for liking my review.
Now for Madhu...If I am confused with RK's characterization...I am constantly flabbergasted with Madhu's characterization...partly because it seems to be inconsistent and partly because I don't identify with it.
Part of the issue that CVs seem to be facing with her character is viewer acceptance. She is supposed to be the muse or the ray of light in RK's life which means she has to be goody-two- shoes and angelic to highlight the contrast. However since RK is painted in such dark shades, her acceptance of him makes her seem dumb and weak so she has to have some grey shades without impacting her angelic disposition. At the same time she has to come across as an ideal daughter, wife, DIL... That leaves the character walking a very fine line and there is not much scope for creativity.
If I had to define Madhu in few words- I would say she is a impulsive, righteous, headstrong girl with a good heart who acts on instinct with little thought to consequences. She has no idea how the world works or even that darkness that permeate the human spirit. She measure everything against an idealistic baseline- relationships, actions, what is right and what is wrong...
I mean look at her behaviour until now-
1)she made a promise to Radha to reconcile with her son without knowing any background there. Her idealistic view told her it is not right for a mother and son to be apart with so much bitterness between them and no action can truly be unforgivable in that relationship. He instict told her she can probably pull it off and she went on mission- reconcillation.
2)She decides to bring God in the house...her idealistic view does not comprehend how someone could not have faith in God...her instinct suggest that it might be a good thing for Bhatia/Kundra household...she does not care that she might be humiliating RK by disobeying him...she just forges ahead
She displays the same modus operandi when she decides to keep KC or when she decides to go away with RK or even when she denies RK in the farmhouse the first time.
At the risk of sounding emotionally bankrupt...I truly do not identify with Madhu's concept of humiliation. Almost all the humiliation that RK has piled up on her until now except for two occasions are contextual. RK forcibly half marries her but not without her permission ...where is the humiliation in it? He treats her to a lousy SR, calls her maid, lugs her around as spot, makes her serves drinks in the party, dances with her and leaves her unkissed...it would be humiliating for RK's wife but Madhu was not expected to be RK's wife...she was a bought entity for RK's pleasure...why would she feel the humiliation? maybe because she is comparing her situation to ideal respect that she should have got as wife. I understand that he treated her shabbily but then she should have expected that ...shouldn't she? Same thing on the set now- she is humiliated by things that should not even touch her given the circumstances. She seems to be embarrassed about her love being a joke...but should it matter? Her feelings were true, she prized her love, she was even kindhearted enough to bestow it on an ogre...where is the humiliation in the entire picture? In fact Rk comes out looking bad in the entire scenario if Madhu would just stop getting embarrassed every few minutes. RK is smart and he has caught on to her weakness...he manipulates her to feel embarassment and humiliation in scenarios and over things that are not really that bad. If RK hurts her by mentioning her love , she has a good retort...he is unlucky in love after all ...even if it is by choice. I loved it when she gave him back in his trailer the other day but then she becomes wilting flower at first sign of trouble.
The only times when I felt RK really humiliated her was when he threw her submission in village night on her face or when he tells her that he is disgusted by her to the point that he does not want to touch her.
Now why she returned to set- her instinct suggests that RK did care for her...she was not completely blind. Her idealistic view suggest that either RK has to reconcile with her or suffer the consequences of his actions. Being headstrong she has to be one to deliver the sentence even if it kills hers so she forges ahead impulsively without understanding numerous way this could play out and hurt her. Somewhere in her heart she expected RK to cut her slack with her being his ex-wife and all...so she is more hurt when he is vicious with her.
There is a lot more going in her head...a part of her wishes that things could go back to the way they were...a part of her wants to punish him...her ego is hurting that all her love could not touch him and change him...her head is telling her that she needs to run as far away as possible.
I guess that is my way of saying this about more than closure and moving on...it is also about understanding what went wrong and seeing if she can fix it.
Edited by dramacrazy12 - 12 years ago
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@bold - black - Correct
@bold 2 - orange - Correct

@bold 3 - red - yeah...morbid thinking. you can source back the feeling to the deception he took to heart. His father's death, his mom's remarriage, that idiotic Dips jilt. Well these events now more or less are reconciled, but he seems to have focussed on one word "abandoned" or "snatched" Preet was saying that, we do not know what he must have actually felt (the emotional reaction of his) at seeing Madhu hanging in that same manner as his father, but definitely it must have forced him to speeden up his execution. Because in his plan or in his world of creation, Balraj entry was completely unforeseen by him, unplanned by him and he himself was the reason for bringing Balraj into their life unwittingly, unknowingly and Madhu could have been killed. God made him the instrument towards risking of his own happiness. So even if "God might have other plans" idea may have been pushed by him to the back of his mind. his almost fiasco with Balraj, proved his thinking that God definitely has something different stored for him. He must have thought...lucky I saved her today, now...I may not get another chance...and decided to go ahead. As for going for Picnic trip...was like him savoring his last of memories.
BTW: The slap/any action from Madhu and then RK taking the cue from there...that is what I call as the creative aspect. Because both of their egos work here in building the relationship between them whichever form it takes for them.


His twisted logic makes so much more sense/logic with this explanation - His reality is being "abandoned" and "snatched". Couple of months back, there was this discussion on how creative people perceive the world differently and are so much more sensitive.

A big thanks to all the analysis - I am beginning to sympathize & feel protective about RK ( maybe that's why Bittuji is this loyal to him ). He seems almost innocent - the lyrics of the song are so apt 'Duniya se hum hain begaane" .

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