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Posted: 13 years ago
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Sukanya, my views on Jagia are very different than urs. We all are product of our experiences and also what we see around us.
I m fully on Jagia's side. I have never considered his marriage with Anandi as real. He had no say in it. Yes he consumed his marriage without really understanding the seriousness of it. I teach teenagers and a few of them are married. They really are immature lot.
I also feel that Anandi's pain has been glorified in this serial.. Yes he ditched her, married someone else(thinking it was legal) , accused Anandi for miscarriage etc. Gauri also shouted at her. All this was was humiliating and insulting to her but it was not ugly. So I don't hold Jagia much wrong here.
But Jagia was wrong when he washed his hands off Gauri over somthing so small. It shows he lacks sticking power and cannot sustain a relation. He also cannot face adversity after a certain period of time.
When Jagia came asking for forgiveness, he should at least not have been insulted. There is communication gap between father and son.
When Jagia said "Dard Anandi ko mila, lekin use uski bharpoor keemat bhi mili" , he was right.
Jagia needs support and care but family doesn't know how to give it to him. I m not talking abt financial support but emotional support.
Edited by elasingh - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@mocking_bird: Absolutely wonderful post and perceptive analysis.

There was a point in the serial when I supported some of Jagya's decisions, like him not wanting to practise medicine in the hospital his family built for him in Jaitsar. A person should be able to make his/her own career choices. Yes, his decision was probably coloured by Gauri deciding to pursue an MS in the city but I'm talking purely in terms of career choice. However, his cruel demeanour towards Anandi was, to me, untenable even then. I wanted Anandi too to not tolerate his harshness.

I could even find some defense for his choice to be with Gauri (and she was not overwhelmed by insecurities then) and after all wasn't that the point of the serial about bal-vivaah not working out? But he went about it extremely shabbily. You don't go after what you want and destroy another person's sense of self-worth in the process. That and the increasingly irrational, petty and bullying attitude of the couple made it hard to empathise with them at all as time went by.

I'd like to believe too that there is redemption for him. I agree with aparnauma and adi2512 that redemption will come to him when he decides to become better all on his own. Don't want Anandi/Shiv involved. I'm very glad they found each other and want them live in their happy world. Jagya should find his own happiness and redemption.

About teenagers: Wonder if it is natural during teenage to think that the best way to happiness for everyone is to always follow their heart regardless of consequences. There is no benefit of experience to calibrate a decision and realise that sometimes things can blow up in your face. As you get a little older, and with the right nature/nurture, you might become a bit more careful about the collateral damage of your decisions. It's like one writer (forget who) said: I used to feel bad for Romeo and Juliet but now I think, their poor families.
Edited by TheRedQueen - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: elasingh

Sukanya, my views on Jagia are very different than urs. We all are product of our experiences and also what we see around us.

I m fully on Jagia's side. I have never considered his marriage with Anandi as real. He had no say in it. Yes he consumed his marriage without really understanding the seriousness of it. I teach teenagers and a few of them are married. They really are immature lot.
I also feel that Anandi's pain has been glorified in this serial.. Yes he ditched her, married someone else(thinking it was legal) , accused Anandi for miscarriage etc. Gauri also shouted at her. All this was was humiliating and insulting to her but it was not ugly. So I don't hold Jagia much wrong here.
But Jagia was wrong when he washed his hands off Gauri over somthing so small. It shows he lacks sticking power and cannot sustain a relation. He also cannot face adversity after a certain period of time.
When Jagia came asking for forgiveness, he should at least not have been insulted. There is communication gap between father and son.
When Jagia said "Dard Anandi ko mila, lekin use uski bharpoor keemat bhi mili" , he was right.
Jagia needs support and care but family doesn't know how to give it to him. I m not talking abt financial support but emotional support.


@Elasingh, Yes,your perception of Jagya is quite different from mine. We do look at characters the way we have come across people in our lives. It is true that he was married when he did not know the meaning of it. But,it was a marriage nevertheless. When he grew up and fell for Gauri ,he was an adult and he knew what he was doing. If he decided to go ahead with Gauri,he should have done the right thing by annulling his marriage with Anandi. You do have a concern for a person with whom you have been so close in your childhood, to know exactly what happened when you decided to dump her. He did not love her, did not find her his equal,no issues. .But, he did like her as a friend so it is only expected that he would have taken care of Anandi when he decided to part ways. He should have taken some steps to see that girl does not suffer the humiliation of being abandoned by her husband. He could have ensured a better future for her. He did not understand the meaning of marriage with Anandi,but, Anandi also did not understand it either! I think, a failed marriage for a girl who lives in rural India with little or no education,is a punishment beyond belief. Had Jagya taken some steps to alleviate her sufferings,things would not have taken such an ugly turn and getting forgiveness would not have been so difficult. His absolute disregard for others and their sentiments made things difficult for him later.

Anandi was lucky that she had a very understanding and considerate in-law. It is hard to get such understanding people these days. Her pain was not glorified,it was the pain of an abandoned wife and I found them quite natural. Later on,with the help of others she gathered her life and tried to set it right,which is commendable. But, a suffering is a suffering and a loss is always a loss.
As for Jagya, I find,his character is inherently weak and he is clearly indecisive. But he is supremely overconfident which led him to make blunders after blunders.
Having said that,I do respect your view point and thanks for responding to my request.😊


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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: TheRedQueen

@mocking_bird: Absolutely wonderful post and perceptive analysis.

There was a point in the serial when I supported some of Jagya's decisions, like him not wanting to practise medicine in the hospital his family built for him in Jaitsar. A person should be able to make his/her own career choices. Yes, his decision was probably coloured by Gauri deciding to pursue an MS in the city but I'm talking purely in terms of career choice. However, his cruel demeanour towards Anandi was, to me, untenable even then. I wanted Anandi too to not tolerate his harshness.

I could even find some defense for his choice to be with Gauri (and she was not overwhelmed by insecurities then) and after all wasn't that the point of the serial about bal-vivaah not working out? But he went about it extremely shabbily. You don't go after what you want and destroy another person's sense of self-worth in the process. That and the increasingly irrational, petty and bullying attitude of the couple made it hard to empathise with them at all as time went by.

I'd like to believe too that there is redemption for him. I agree with aparnauma and adi2512 that redemption will come to him when he decides to become better all on his own. Don't want Anandi/Shiv involved. I'm very glad they found each other and want them live in their happy world. Jagya should find his own happiness and redemption.

About teenagers: Wonder if it is natural during teenage to think that the best way to happiness for everyone is to always follow their heart regardless of consequences. There is no benefit of experience to calibrate a decision and realise that sometimes things can blow up in your face. As you get a little older, and with the right nature/nurture, you might become a bit more careful about the collateral damage of your decisions. It's like one writer (forget who) said: I used to feel bad for Romeo and Juliet but now I think, their poor families.

@The RedQueen.Yes,you do take care of your dreams. I know people who go to extreme lengths to get their dreams fulfilled. It is a good thing if you want to pursue your career. My only objection is your steps which you take to achieve your goal should not put some one else into jeopardy.If it does,then you are being selfish and not a devotee to your dreams.
Jagya blamed his Bal vivah for the misfortune that they both (J and A)faced. But,till today I do not take the Bal vivah was the only reason for this marriage to fail.Jagya always had been a selfish child and he grew up thinking that the whole world is for his asking.
Imagine had there been no Shiv in Anandi's life! And Jagya leading a peaceful and contented life with Gauri?How many of us would have taken this set up kindly?

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Posted: 13 years ago
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@mocking_bird: You make valid points. And that's what I said too; that it is not right to destroy another person in the process of getting what you want.

I can understand a person not wanting to live out the role expected out of him but not him going about it by insensitively inflicting cruelty on an innocent party.

In one way Jagya's selfishness worked out well for Anandi too because she ended up having a career and now a perfect partner. Imagine having to spend the rest of your life with a man who does not respect you.

For Anandi, in my point of view, the resolution for her started when she resumed studies and became sarpanch. She grew from strength to strength, the pinnacle being her ability to finally stand up to the bullying by Jagya and Gauri during the divorce proceedings. She's become an independent strong woman and I think she was well on her way to achieving the kind of nirvana Shabana Azmi's character in Arth did. Shiv is the rather delicious icing on the cake.

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